Rarity up for sale..... maybe?
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Just spotted this new ad for a Vanquish Zagato.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...
No pics though, so could be a scam. Interesting if not though.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...
No pics though, so could be a scam. Interesting if not though.
I appreciate I'm in the minority here, but I struggle to see why flippers (I'm talking more generally here, not just re: Astons) are doing something so outrageously wrong
If someone decides they are going to take the risk of buying a car in the hope they turn a big profit, the idea that it's somehow morally wrong because they are depriving someone who would keep the car and drive it is pretty ridiculous when the car we are talking about is a £500k car. It's not like they are putting people out on the streets.
Don't get me wrong - I hate the fact this happens and I get incredibly frustrated with the system. I am also someone who has only ever lost money on cars, including my limited edition V12R which I lost a small fortune on when I sold recently. I would have bought the new 991 GT3 at list if I could, to then thrash round tracks and keep for at lest several years, however I simply have no relationship with Porsche so there is no point attempting to buy one
But that's all separate to the borderline hate and moral judgement of flippers I see on so many forums, which I struggle to agree with. Cars may be a passion for many of us, but from the flipper's perspective, they don't have to view these cars with any kind of sentiment - it's presumably just an investment decision. It's for the factories and/or dealers to do something about this (should they wish), not the flippers to what, change their behaviour because driving enthusiasts who can afford 6 figure cars get upset it's harder to buy those cars ?
I'll put my tin hat on now because as I say, I recognise not many seem to feel this way but I reiterate, I share the frustration bordering on anger, I simply don't direct it at people taking advantage of the system. I'm playing the scenario in my head where a flipper is defending himself in a debate about whether what he does is acceptable and I'm struggling not to laugh at what arguments those debating against such a person might present
If someone decides they are going to take the risk of buying a car in the hope they turn a big profit, the idea that it's somehow morally wrong because they are depriving someone who would keep the car and drive it is pretty ridiculous when the car we are talking about is a £500k car. It's not like they are putting people out on the streets.
Don't get me wrong - I hate the fact this happens and I get incredibly frustrated with the system. I am also someone who has only ever lost money on cars, including my limited edition V12R which I lost a small fortune on when I sold recently. I would have bought the new 991 GT3 at list if I could, to then thrash round tracks and keep for at lest several years, however I simply have no relationship with Porsche so there is no point attempting to buy one
But that's all separate to the borderline hate and moral judgement of flippers I see on so many forums, which I struggle to agree with. Cars may be a passion for many of us, but from the flipper's perspective, they don't have to view these cars with any kind of sentiment - it's presumably just an investment decision. It's for the factories and/or dealers to do something about this (should they wish), not the flippers to what, change their behaviour because driving enthusiasts who can afford 6 figure cars get upset it's harder to buy those cars ?
I'll put my tin hat on now because as I say, I recognise not many seem to feel this way but I reiterate, I share the frustration bordering on anger, I simply don't direct it at people taking advantage of the system. I'm playing the scenario in my head where a flipper is defending himself in a debate about whether what he does is acceptable and I'm struggling not to laugh at what arguments those debating against such a person might present
jonby said:
I appreciate I'm in the minority here, but I struggle to see why flippers (I'm talking more generally here, not just re: Astons) are doing something so outrageously wrong
If someone decides they are going to take the risk of buying a car in the hope they turn a big profit, the idea that it's somehow morally wrong because they are depriving someone who would keep the car and drive it is pretty ridiculous when the car we are talking about is a £500k car. It's not like they are putting people out on the streets.
Don't get me wrong - I hate the fact this happens and I get incredibly frustrated with the system. I am also someone who has only ever lost money on cars, including my limited edition V12R which I lost a small fortune on when I sold recently. I would have bought the new 991 GT3 at list if I could, to then thrash round tracks and keep for at lest several years, however I simply have no relationship with Porsche so there is no point attempting to buy one
But that's all separate to the borderline hate and moral judgement of flippers I see on so many forums, which I struggle to agree with. Cars may be a passion for many of us, but from the flipper's perspective, they don't have to view these cars with any kind of sentiment - it's presumably just an investment decision. It's for the factories and/or dealers to do something about this (should they wish), not the flippers to what, change their behaviour because driving enthusiasts who can afford 6 figure cars get upset it's harder to buy those cars ?
I'll put my tin hat on now because as I say, I recognise not many seem to feel this way but I reiterate, I share the frustration bordering on anger, I simply don't direct it at people taking advantage of the system. I'm playing the scenario in my head where a flipper is defending himself in a debate about whether what he does is acceptable and I'm struggling not to laugh at what arguments those debating against such a person might present
I fully agree. Don't hate the player, hate the game! If someone decides they are going to take the risk of buying a car in the hope they turn a big profit, the idea that it's somehow morally wrong because they are depriving someone who would keep the car and drive it is pretty ridiculous when the car we are talking about is a £500k car. It's not like they are putting people out on the streets.
Don't get me wrong - I hate the fact this happens and I get incredibly frustrated with the system. I am also someone who has only ever lost money on cars, including my limited edition V12R which I lost a small fortune on when I sold recently. I would have bought the new 991 GT3 at list if I could, to then thrash round tracks and keep for at lest several years, however I simply have no relationship with Porsche so there is no point attempting to buy one
But that's all separate to the borderline hate and moral judgement of flippers I see on so many forums, which I struggle to agree with. Cars may be a passion for many of us, but from the flipper's perspective, they don't have to view these cars with any kind of sentiment - it's presumably just an investment decision. It's for the factories and/or dealers to do something about this (should they wish), not the flippers to what, change their behaviour because driving enthusiasts who can afford 6 figure cars get upset it's harder to buy those cars ?
I'll put my tin hat on now because as I say, I recognise not many seem to feel this way but I reiterate, I share the frustration bordering on anger, I simply don't direct it at people taking advantage of the system. I'm playing the scenario in my head where a flipper is defending himself in a debate about whether what he does is acceptable and I'm struggling not to laugh at what arguments those debating against such a person might present
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