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M5MarkM said:
V8 Vantage GT said:
Are they the computer generated fake ones like the Jaguar F-Type?
I had an AMG GTS which I understand is the same engine and the sound and crackle and pops is good and real and not computer generated glad to say.Not actually implying he thinks the sound comes through the speakers.
Chamboy said:
I've also managed to get a go in a pre-production one a couple of weeks back . Still under embargo I believe, but I would say I preferred it to the V12 (can't believe I've just said that!).
I'm guessing with the lighter engine positioned further back in the engine bay that the turn-in should be much better?Venturist said:
I expect Mr. Vantage up there is being pedantic about the fact that modern cars crackle on the overrun because they've been specifically mapped to do so ("computer generated") as opposed to older cars which made the same noises purely due to inefficiencies and the limitations of fuelling control technology.
Not actually implying he thinks the sound comes through the speakers.
http://articles.sae.org/12441/Not actually implying he thinks the sound comes through the speakers.
V8 Vantage GT said:
Venturist said:
I expect Mr. Vantage up there is being pedantic about the fact that modern cars crackle on the overrun because they've been specifically mapped to do so ("computer generated") as opposed to older cars which made the same noises purely due to inefficiencies and the limitations of fuelling control technology.
Not actually implying he thinks the sound comes through the speakers.
http://articles.sae.org/12441/Not actually implying he thinks the sound comes through the speakers.
Big Ry said:
Must say that if I were i the market for a DB11 then it would be the V8 Volante (when available).
For the risk of being shot down in flames, other than bragging rights what does the V12 give in the real world that the V8 doesn't ?
Horses for courses obviously.
Simple. A DB11 with an Aston Martin motor vs a DB11 with some German lump. Don't expect the Chinese to care...us car aficionados do.For the risk of being shot down in flames, other than bragging rights what does the V12 give in the real world that the V8 doesn't ?
Horses for courses obviously.
DB9VolanteDriver said:
Simple. A DB11 with an Aston Martin motor vs a DB11 with some German lump. Don't expect the Chinese to care...us car aficionados do.
Or alternatively, the V8 might be preferred by those who actually care about the driving characteristics of a car rather than some absurd xenophobic nonsense.V8V Pete said:
Beefmeister said:
DB11. Basically it's cheaper, handles better, is barely any slower in the real world, has better economy and still sounds great.
I'm guessing I am going to be completely shot down in flames for suggesting this already applies to the current Vantage ..........Power of n/a V8V is maxxed out at c 430bhp, which is 25% less in relative terms than the n/a 565bhp V12VS and in absolute terms, considered insufficient in today's market of 650bhp supercars and 350+bhp hot hatches
With DB11, the power differential between V8 & V12 is less in percentage terms (16%) and in absolute terms, it starts with a 5 not a 4.
Torque is a similar story. V8 vantage has 21% less than current V12VS whereas with DB11, it's just a few percent (18lb ft difference)
I also would guess that there is a much bigger difference in straight line performance (especially in gear rather than from a standing start) between V8 & V12 Vantage than V8 & V12 DB11
Finally of course, there is noise. The n/a V12 sounds incredible. I don't think the V12 DB11 sounds anywhere near as good. Reports are coming in that the V8 DB11 (which I've not heard) sounds pretty good
But you still have a point. Some say the V8 Vantage is sweeter handling. especially in GT8 form, than V12VS
The logical conclusion is that either with the DB11 name or a DB11S/DBS type name, the V12 in DB11 has it's power upped to make the differential greater
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