In praise of Indies...
In praise of Indies...
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NealCS

Original Poster:

110 posts

154 months

Sunday 1st October 2017
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...I came to a halt at the lights, and when I tried to set off again... nothing! The gears wouldn't engage.

I had the car (2007 Vantage Autoshift v8 roadster) recovered to a South Coast Aston Martin Dealer who've taken care of it (under warranty) the last few years, always with acceptable service... BUT - this time it took around a week to diagnose a 'slave cylinder failure' and without disassembling it they said this, along with the clutch would need total replacement. Around £4000. As it was a Bamford Rose twin-plate clutch I'd also have to supply a new one to the dealer.

I called Bamford Rose and described the symptoms for a second opinion, they correctly diagnosed the (same) problem over the phone and collected the car from the dealer - a few days later they returned it to me repaired and perfect (and BEAUTIFULLY valeted) for just £2k including a new battery and hundreds of miles on a low loader.

Though the slave cylinder did need replacing (£386), the clutch didn't need replacing at all it just needed a good clean, which apparently a dealer can't/won't do.

I'm delighted with their speed and competence of service and their reassuring helpful manner. They deserve credit for being the best of the best.

And not MANY cars still look good on a low-loader. First time it's let me down. I forgive it. I love my Aston.

Andrew Bristow

60 posts

177 months

Monday 2nd October 2017
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Good service, mechanical knowledge and ethics are the 3 things that owners of these cars require from either the main dealers or independents.

Squaremeal

180 posts

170 months

Monday 2nd October 2017
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Couldn't agree more about the indies and BM in particular.

Is funny you should think it looked good on the low loader - I thought I was the only one.

Perhaps we should start a thread!


Rick101

7,191 posts

181 months

Monday 2nd October 2017
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Always great to hear about the good indies.

One thing that has make me think twice about considering ownership is the service & maintenance costs.

Nice to know there are options.

Cold

16,744 posts

121 months

Monday 2nd October 2017
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So essentially the same ballpark price and diagnosis, only the main dealer wasn't prepared to vouch for a used part from a different supplier.
Yay for indies! thumbup

JohnG1

3,487 posts

236 months

Monday 2nd October 2017
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Perhaps a daft question - but what had to be cleaned off the clutch? Clutch fluid? Surely that cleans off easily? You wouldn't throw a part in the bin because it's got gunge on it would you?

Genuinely puzzled by this. Can anyone explain this?

NealCS

Original Poster:

110 posts

154 months

Monday 2nd October 2017
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Squaremeal said:
Is funny you should think it looked good on the low loader - I thought I was the only one.

Perhaps we should start a thread!
YES!!!

NealCS

Original Poster:

110 posts

154 months

Monday 2nd October 2017
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Cold said:
So essentially the same ballpark price and diagnosis, only the main dealer wasn't prepared to vouch for a used part from a different supplier.
Yay for indies! thumbup
You could look at it that way - but my impression was the Dealer hadn't the mechanical skills or felt it uneconomical to disassemble and clean ANY clutch - I did discuss this with them - so my take is "less than half the time and less than half the cost"

telum01

987 posts

146 months

Monday 2nd October 2017
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Squaremeal said:
Couldn't agree more about the indies and BM in particular.

Is funny you should think it looked good on the low loader - I thought I was the only one.

Perhaps we should start a thread!
My contributions to your thread lol...





Full story here if anyone wants to read it:
http://www.redpants.lol/blog/2017/7/30/we1it4oxia2...

LordBretSinclair

4,306 posts

208 months

Monday 2nd October 2017
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Squaremeal said:
Couldn't agree more about the indies and BM in particular.

Is funny you should think it looked good on the low loader - I thought I was the only one.

Perhaps we should start a thread!
Sorry IanV12VR - couldn't resist this old one laugh



Cold

16,744 posts

121 months

Monday 2nd October 2017
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NealCS said:
You could look at it that way - but my impression was the Dealer hadn't the mechanical skills or felt it uneconomical to disassemble and clean ANY clutch - I did discuss this with them - so my take is "less than half the time and less than half the cost"
I think a main dealer has the technical know how to remove and inspect a clutch before spraying it with cleaner. They just wouldn't want to risk getting into an argument with a customer about who should foot the bill when the third party, unknown, secondhand and potentially damaged clutch starts slipping or juddering next month, so priced the job accordingly.

NealCS

Original Poster:

110 posts

154 months

Monday 2nd October 2017
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Cold said:
I think a main dealer has the technical know how to remove and inspect a clutch before spraying it with cleaner. They just wouldn't want to risk getting into an argument with a customer about who should foot the bill when the third party, unknown, secondhand and potentially damaged clutch starts slipping or juddering next month, so priced the job accordingly.
Not what they told me. They were very clear that they don't clean up 'contaminated' clutches AM or otherwise. In this case I specifically asked would there have be a difference if I'd had an AM clutch and they said they'd still have replaced it and they were happy to put an AM one in for me or a BR one.

I'm the first to give credit where credit is due but in this case their response was very very slow and far less helpful than the Indy. It has made me consider removing my car from the dealer network for future servicing too.

Edited by NealCS on Monday 2nd October 18:47

Cold

16,744 posts

121 months

Monday 2nd October 2017
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Sounds like that's exactly what they told you? confused

How difficult do you think it is to squirt some cleaner around the clutch once it's on the bench? The main dealer just didn't want to do that and prefers a belt and braces approach of replacing the whole lot. I can understand why.

An independent might be more amenable to the prospect of potentially having to remove the clutch again in a few months if the contaminated plate decides to misbehave. Who settles that potential future bill might be up for discussion, but it's not a conversation that the main dealer would like to have hence their approach to the job.

Both ways of tackling the job have their merits but one is more expensive. Neither are wrong.

NealCS

Original Poster:

110 posts

154 months

Monday 2nd October 2017
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Indeed - though personally I'm in favour of the approach that costs me thousands of pounds less (there are only a few thousand miles on that clutch!)

Now I hope this thread is going to turn into the promised "Aston's on low loaders" thread! smile

chuds285

159 posts

172 months

Monday 2nd October 2017
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Only too pleased to oblige....2nd time in two months!

NeinFondue

860 posts

187 months

Tuesday 3rd October 2017
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My contribution... biggrin


IanV12VR

2,749 posts

186 months

Tuesday 3rd October 2017
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LordBretSinclair said:
Sorry IanV12VR - couldn't resist this old one laugh


Cheeky boy LBS!! Handbrake cable had stuck. Easily fixed and car back with me the next day.
Bincenzo - look away smile

Still, not the only time and probably not the last smile


Speculatore

2,003 posts

266 months

Tuesday 3rd October 2017
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Blofeld on his way to a new life in New Zealand.
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dbs2000

2,756 posts

223 months

Tuesday 3rd October 2017
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After the Morgan Tour 18 months ago, stupud battery and earthing points smile


AMDBSVNick

7,221 posts

193 months

Tuesday 3rd October 2017
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Heated seat recall