michelin pilot sport 4S

[dmilthorp]

These seem to be the go to tyres, got a DB9, my concern is they are advertised as a summer tyre. Can anyone confirm they are OK for all year round for road use.

[telum01]

I wouldn't use them in the snow or on ice, but they're fine otherwise for year-round use.

[V8V Pete]

Sorry to hijack the thread but:

Rich - given that I run winter tyres in winter would you recommend 4S or Cup 2 for summer tyres?

[telum01]

V8V Pete said:

Sorry to hijack the thread but:

Rich - given that I run winter tyres in winter would you recommend 4S or Cup 2 for summer tyres?

Unless you need them for track days, there's no reason to get the Cup 2. The 'hot' performance difference between the 4S and Cup 2 will likely be indistinguishable on the road. But the 'cold' and wet performance of the 4S will be much better than the Cup 2. And the 4S should be less expensive and last longer, too.

[V8V Pete]

Thanks for that Rich. Was what I had thought without having used either tyre before - must try harder to destroy the Bridgestones ....

[Phil74891]

I just put a set on my RS4. Massive improvement on the Pirellis that we're on it.

[Squaremeal]

Don't even hesitate but them. Driven on in a very spirited fashion in dreadful cold weather in Scotland and they're a revelation even better than the previous PSS which ch I thought almost impossible to top!

[jon-]

telum01 said:

V8V Pete said:

Sorry to hijack the thread but:

Rich - given that I run winter tyres in winter would you recommend 4S or Cup 2 for summer tyres?

Unless you need them for track days, there's no reason to get the Cup 2. The 'hot' performance difference between the 4S and Cup 2 will likely be indistinguishable on the road. But the 'cold' and wet performance of the 4S will be much better than the Cup 2. And the 4S should be less expensive and last longer, too.

I have both the 4S and Cup 2 for my M3 (video coming soon), and there certainly is a reason to pick the Cups. The steering feel and feedback is far greater, so while you're not going much faster (if at all), the enjoyment I get from driving is so much more.

As it's getting colder, the Cups are starting to get a little sketchy, especially in the wet, so that's something to keep in mind.

[Ken Figenus]

Great reports guys as I'm going PSS to P4S in a couple of weeks - will never forget how good the PSS were at a wet 2 degrees in winter.

Preferred fitter is a top guy at ATS that knows how to jack the car up properly and how to care for the rims but Black Circles (who supply them the tyres at a keen price) don't DO PS4S. Anyone know a trusted supplier/fitter (very touchy here as I had 2 rims mangled once at a MD...) in S Wales/SW? Camskill tyres have good prices but dont fit...

[HBradley]

Ken Figenus said:

Great reports guys as I'm going PSS to P4S in a couple of weeks - will never forget how good the PSS were at a wet 2 degrees in winter.

Preferred fitter is a top guy at ATS that knows how to jack the car up properly and how to care for the rims but Black Circles (who supply them the tyres at a keen price) don't DO PS4S. Anyone know a trusted supplier/fitter (very touchy here as I had 2 rims mangled once at a MD...) in S Wales/SW? Camskill tyres have good prices but dont fit...

Hi Ken, BC do supply PS4S for V8V & DB9, I’m sure they do for the Rapide?

[jon-]

Ken Figenus said:

Great reports guys as I'm going PSS to P4S in a couple of weeks - will never forget how good the PSS were at a wet 2 degrees in winter.

Preferred fitter is a top guy at ATS that knows how to jack the car up properly and how to care for the rims but Black Circles (who supply them the tyres at a keen price) don't DO PS4S. Anyone know a trusted supplier/fitter (very touchy here as I had 2 rims mangled once at a MD...) in S Wales/SW? Camskill tyres have good prices but dont fit...

If you thought the PSS were actually good at 2c in the wet, your perceptions of what is possible with a tyre is about to be altered with the PS4S

[Ken Figenus]

HBradley said:

Hi Ken, BC do supply PS4S for V8V & DB9, I’m sure they do for the Rapide?

Ahh OK its a size thing then - I know Michelin actually do the PS4S in my 20" sizes but BC don't stock it. And ATS wont fit non Black Circles sourced tyres and want £300 more than my best online price for their sourced tyres

And if I'm going to like them even more than PSS then I have to find a solution!

[Mansfield]

jon- said:

I have both the 4S and Cup 2 for my M3 (video coming soon), and there certainly is a reason to pick the Cups. The steering feel and feedback is far greater, so while you're not going much faster (if at all), the enjoyment I get from driving is so much more.

As it's getting colder, the Cups are starting to get a little sketchy, especially in the wet, so that's something to keep in mind.

I look forward to that video jon, will be interesting to see 4S vs Cup 2 in the real world.

[Big E 118]

jon- said:

I have both the 4S and Cup 2 for my M3 (video coming soon), and there certainly is a reason to pick the Cups. The steering feel and feedback is far greater, so while you're not going much faster (if at all), the enjoyment I get from driving is so much more.

As it's getting colder, the Cups are starting to get a little sketchy, especially in the wet, so that's something to keep in mind.

That's interesting. I replaced Cup 2's on my 911 GTS with 4S's and in my opinion the 4S's were very, very nearly as good in the dry and better in colder and wet conditions. I don't think I would really have noticed a difference for road driving but the Cups were better on track but I was surprised how small that margin was.

Will keep an eye out for the video to see your views.

I'll definitely be getting 4S's for my Aston when a tyre change is due.

[V8V Pete]

Big E 118 said:

I'll definitely be getting 4S's for my Aston when a tyre change is due.

But what sizes will you fit as they don't seem to do Vantage S 245/285 sizes at the moment or am I missing something?

[Big E 118]

V8V Pete said:

But what sizes will you fit as they don't seem to do Vantage S 245/285 sizes at the moment or am I missing something?

Ah, haven't checked sizes yet as I'm not changing just yet. Michelin are releasing new sizes on 4S's all the time so fingers crossed they'll be out by the time I need them.

Maybe email Michelin and ask if they have a plan to release those sizes?

[Ken Figenus]

I had a chat with Michelin chat online about the manufacturer approval spec - K1 for Ferrari, N0 or N1 for Porsche etc as I couldn't get a matched set front and back and I also think the Ferrari spec has less tread than the Porsche. They took my details but never got back to me.

[V8V Pete]

Big E 118 said:

V8V Pete said:

But what sizes will you fit as they don't seem to do Vantage S 245/285 sizes at the moment or am I missing something?

Ah, haven't checked sizes yet as I'm not changing just yet. Michelin are releasing new sizes on 4S's all the time so fingers crossed they'll be out by the time I need them.

Maybe email Michelin and ask if they have a plan to release those sizes?

I'm also not changing immediately (likely next Spring) but my back-up plan is to get some V12V wheels and use 255/295 V12 sizes as they do these currently.

[jon-]

Big E 118 said:

jon- said:

I have both the 4S and Cup 2 for my M3 (video coming soon), and there certainly is a reason to pick the Cups. The steering feel and feedback is far greater, so while you're not going much faster (if at all), the enjoyment I get from driving is so much more.

As it's getting colder, the Cups are starting to get a little sketchy, especially in the wet, so that's something to keep in mind.

That's interesting. I replaced Cup 2's on my 911 GTS with 4S's and in my opinion the 4S's were very, very nearly as good in the dry and better in colder and wet conditions. I don't think I would really have noticed a difference for road driving but the Cups were better on track but I was surprised how small that margin was.

Will keep an eye out for the video to see your views.

I'll definitely be getting 4S's for my Aston when a tyre change is due.

I didn't say the Cups had the better grip, but the better feel. There's a lot more to a high performance tyre than just raw grip, and with the overall grip levels, especially in the dry, of the top tyres being broadly similar now, I think subjective handling is super important.

Nice car btw

[Big E 118]

jon- said:

I didn't say the Cups had the better grip, but the better feel. There's a lot more to a high performance tyre than just raw grip, and with the overall grip levels, especially in the dry, of the top tyres being broadly similar now, I think subjective handling is super important.

Nice car btw

I agree but personally I just didn't think there was a lot of difference in feel either at road speeds. I'm no expert and I'm not saying I'm right, just sharing an opinion.

Also the cars we're comparing the tyres on a very different (M3/911) so the influence on handling may be different.