V12 Vantage prices in 2019 ...100K???
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phil bird said:
Cant see that happening! it will only be turbo ??
To be honest I don't think prices will rise massively in the short term for V12 Vantage with 6 speed manual- I assume this is the variant you are talking about. But even if they do drop a V12 Turbo charged engine into the new Vantage it will probably be non manual. I think the V12 Vantage will always be an analogue driving experience (especially with manual gearbox 6 speed or 7 speed in the V12 Vantage S) This may never be repeated again as it may make no sense or be impossible to mate a manual box with the new turbo charged V12 Engines. So in the long term the V12 Vantage may rise in price but I think this will take several years?
sukh_m said:
....and the 7 speed manual 
Long long term I'd guess that the 7sp will be "slightly" more sought after as it's truly the very last NA V12 Manual, and the fact that far less of them were made, and to some (collectors) that'll be the appeal. They're all going to be worth good money though in the mid term I'd guess. The IPO might even raise interest where it wasn't before, which is a good thing.I was chatting at Works this week about the appeal of cars in general, and one thing we both more or less agreed on is that at some point all of the cars we talk about will have no meaning to the masses, and then at that point the values probably will be affected.
A child born today will probably never drive an ICE car. When they're old enough to be interested in cars, it'll all be hybrid or electric. That more than likely means that they will have no affiliation with these bedroom wall poster cars like we all did, and if that dream wasn't there as a youngster, then it's unlikely they'll lust after them in later life when they potentially have the means.
I can see a point in the far distant future where unless it's ultra rare (V600, One-77, Valkyrie etc) in which case it'll go into a collection, then these (our) cars will become unwanted to a degree. In 50 years imagine trying to find unleaded...!
Rumour is that it won't be that long before California bans heritage cars full stop, so at point owners can either look at them or move to a different state.......
Just buy them to enjoy them while you can. b
ks to the value. What somebody does with whatever AML I have when I kick the bucket is up to them......it'll make no difference to me Big Ry said:
I was chatting at Works this week about the appeal of cars in general, and one thing we both more or less agreed on is that at some point all of the cars we talk about will have no meaning to the masses, and then at that point the values probably will be affected.
A child born today will probably never drive an ICE car. When they're old enough to be interested in cars, it'll all be hybrid or electric. That more than likely means that they will have no affiliation with these bedroom wall poster cars like we all did, and if that dream wasn't there as a youngster, then it's unlikely they'll lust after them in later life when they potentially have the means.
I can see a point in the far distant future where unless it's ultra rare (V600, One-77, Valkyrie etc) in which case it'll go into a collection, then these (our) cars will become unwanted to a degree. In 50 years imagine trying to find unleaded...!
Just buy them to enjoy them while you can. bks to the value. What somebody does with whatever AML I have when I kick the bucket is up to them......it'll make no difference to me
Spot on.A child born today will probably never drive an ICE car. When they're old enough to be interested in cars, it'll all be hybrid or electric. That more than likely means that they will have no affiliation with these bedroom wall poster cars like we all did, and if that dream wasn't there as a youngster, then it's unlikely they'll lust after them in later life when they potentially have the means.
I can see a point in the far distant future where unless it's ultra rare (V600, One-77, Valkyrie etc) in which case it'll go into a collection, then these (our) cars will become unwanted to a degree. In 50 years imagine trying to find unleaded...!
Just buy them to enjoy them while you can. b
ks to the value. What somebody does with whatever AML I have when I kick the bucket is up to them......it'll make no difference to me The very reason I changed.
gibbon said:
Strange, i was just thinking both the original v12 and v12s prices (mainly ss to be fair) have dropped off massively in the last 6 months or so.
I would agree to some extend. There have been a few Timeless cars at the dealers for many months that don't seem to be shifting despite the price droppingBig Ry said:
Long long term I'd guess that the 7sp will be "slightly" more sought after as it's truly the very last NA V12 Manual, and the fact that far less of them were made, and to some (collectors) that'll be the appeal. They're all going to be worth good money though in the mid term I'd guess. The IPO might even raise interest where it wasn't before, which is a good thing.
I was chatting at Works this week about the appeal of cars in general, and one thing we both more or less agreed on is that at some point all of the cars we talk about will have no meaning to the masses, and then at that point the values probably will be affected.
A child born today will probably never drive an ICE car. When they're old enough to be interested in cars, it'll all be hybrid or electric. That more than likely means that they will have no affiliation with these bedroom wall poster cars like we all did, and if that dream wasn't there as a youngster, then it's unlikely they'll lust after them in later life when they potentially have the means.
I can see a point in the far distant future where unless it's ultra rare (V600, One-77, Valkyrie etc) in which case it'll go into a collection, then these (our) cars will become unwanted to a degree. In 50 years imagine trying to find unleaded...!
Rumour is that it won't be that long before California bans heritage cars full stop, so at point owners can either look at them or move to a different state.......
Just buy them to enjoy them while you can. bks to the value. What somebody does with whatever AML I have when I kick the bucket is up to them......it'll make no difference to me
Spot on, I don't think many people will be driving at all in 50 years, autonomous cars will kill it.I was chatting at Works this week about the appeal of cars in general, and one thing we both more or less agreed on is that at some point all of the cars we talk about will have no meaning to the masses, and then at that point the values probably will be affected.
A child born today will probably never drive an ICE car. When they're old enough to be interested in cars, it'll all be hybrid or electric. That more than likely means that they will have no affiliation with these bedroom wall poster cars like we all did, and if that dream wasn't there as a youngster, then it's unlikely they'll lust after them in later life when they potentially have the means.
I can see a point in the far distant future where unless it's ultra rare (V600, One-77, Valkyrie etc) in which case it'll go into a collection, then these (our) cars will become unwanted to a degree. In 50 years imagine trying to find unleaded...!
Rumour is that it won't be that long before California bans heritage cars full stop, so at point owners can either look at them or move to a different state.......
Just buy them to enjoy them while you can. b
ks to the value. What somebody does with whatever AML I have when I kick the bucket is up to them......it'll make no difference to me Spot on what has be said previously. I think that aesthetics will matter much more in the future regarding collectible cars rather than performance. Petrol engined manual cars will be deemed „the past“ and you will not be able to drive them on public roads / inner cities in the future. I think the convergence to electric or hybrid will be much faster than envisaged and i even think that buying any sportscar (with supercar performance) today is a punt into the unknown regarding resale value come 5 years from now. Collectible cars will be like art, where provenance and uniqueness will be the driving force. „Mass“ produced sports cars do not fall into this category. Only my opinion btw.
It is an interesting topic. I also have a 60s Lotus Elan, which is classed as a historic vehicle. Of course the definition of this can change, but I can easily see a time, and its already starting to happen (ULEZ historic vehicle exemption etc), when a historic vehicle can still be used essentially as a hobby vehicle but other old ICE, but not historic cars simply will have no use and will be worthless.
Its the band in the middle, non historic, non investment grade 'old' cars that will become worthless quicker than we think, i would think true investment grade cars are actually hugely rare.
Its the band in the middle, non historic, non investment grade 'old' cars that will become worthless quicker than we think, i would think true investment grade cars are actually hugely rare.
hornbaek said:
Spot on what has be said previously. I think that aesthetics will matter much more in the future regarding collectible cars rather than performance. Petrol engined manual cars will be deemed „the past“ and you will not be able to drive them on public roads / inner cities in the future. I think the convergence to electric or hybrid will be much faster than envisaged and i even think that buying any sportscar (with supercar performance) today is a punt into the unknown regarding resale value come 5 years from now. Collectible cars will be like art, where provenance and uniqueness will be the driving force. „Mass“ produced sports cars do not fall into this category. Only my opinion btw.
+1 to that.kev1966900 said:
gibbon said:
Strange, i was just thinking both the original v12 and v12s prices (mainly ss to be fair) have dropped off massively in the last 6 months or so.
I would agree to some extend. There have been a few Timeless cars at the dealers for many months that don't seem to be shifting despite the price droppingThere’s been a steady stock turn this year of more desirable cars and the more well used are sticking. Which is good if you’re on a budget/stretching yourself to get into a V12V.
The market overseas has been much more buoyant than here in UK. US market nearly dried up at moment!
My personal view is that we’re decades away from the point where ICE disappears- the infrastructure for a genuine switch to electric cars is still years away (it can cope with niche volumes today but that’s it).
And then many/most cannot afford to switch to electric vehicles straight away (it’s ok for the fortunate few on this website).
So I plan on using my cars long into my dotage!
And then many/most cannot afford to switch to electric vehicles straight away (it’s ok for the fortunate few on this website).
So I plan on using my cars long into my dotage!
RobDown said:
My personal view is that we’re decades away from the point where ICE disappears- the infrastructure for a genuine switch to electric cars is still years away (it can cope with niche volumes today but that’s it).
And then many/most cannot afford to switch to electric vehicles straight away (it’s ok for the fortunate few on this website).
So I plan on using my cars long into my dotage!
I think you are right about the infrastructure not being ready, but I think there is such a strong political will to make it happen, that our politicians are getting ahead of themselves making legislation and statements because it scores points rather than being either reasonable or practical. Look what happened with the zero emission zone in Campden / Islington. Any consultation - not really. And then many/most cannot afford to switch to electric vehicles straight away (it’s ok for the fortunate few on this website).
So I plan on using my cars long into my dotage!
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