Vantage 4.3 Engine and Chassis Numbers
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Hi, congratulations on your purchase. The chassis and engine numbers will not match. While the chassis numbers are allocated in sequential vehicle build, the engines are not allocated sequentially.
The very first Vantage #00001 had engine number 00165
The very first Vantage #00001 had engine number 00165
Edited by starlight225 on Thursday 13th September 13:52
starlight225 said:
Hi, congratulations on your purchase. The chassis and engine numbers will not match. While the chassis numbers are allocated in sequential vehicle build, the engines are not allocated sequentially.
The very first Vantage #00001 had engine number 00165
ThanksThe very first Vantage #00001 had engine number 00165
Edited by starlight225 on Thursday 13th September 13:52
Mako V12V said:
Hi Starlight, you seem a knowledgeable chap, can I ask, the AM10 engines in V12 Vantages are these engine used in other models, for example the DB9/DBS? So consecutive engine numbers could be used in a Vantage or DBS for example?
Ok so AM10 was only used in V12 Vantage, and is equivalent to the AM11 used in DB9, Rapide and Vanquish. Engine numbering on AM10/11 is not completely consecutive. AM10s appear to be built in small batches dispersed in AM11 production. The main reason engine numbers tend to be a bit random is that they are subject to transport from the engine plant to the factory, so dependent on the order of loading.Hope that helps
Phil
Phil
starlight225 said:
Ok so AM10 was only used in V12 Vantage, and is equivalent to the AM11 used in DB9, Rapide and Vanquish. Engine numbering on AM10/11 is not completely consecutive. AM10s appear to be built in small batches dispersed in AM11 production. The main reason engine numbers tend to be a bit random is that they are subject to transport from the engine plant to the factory, so dependent on the order of loading.
Hope that helps
Phil
Phil
Well done for getting practically everything wrong, that took some doing!Hope that helps
Phil
Phil
AM10 (V12V) is practically the same as AM08 (DBS) - both short track inlet manifold (less torque / more power than Long track inlet runner) @ 510 BHP, both are the old level engine with fixed cam timing using the Ford engine management system.
AM10 is not equivalent to DB9 (AM09) or Rapide (AM16) which both had 470 BHP long track inlet manifolds and different sump iterations. AM10 is certainly not equivalent to Vanquish2 (AM11) because vanquish2 was 565 BHP with variable cam timing and knock control on Bosch engine management system.
AM10 production (made from 2008 until approx. 2012 on old Ford ECU) “dispersed in AM11 production” (when AM11 commenced in 2012 with variable cam timing on Bosch ECU) what do you mean by that!!??
The only dispersed production possible can be between AM11 (V12VS) / AM11C (Rapide S and DB9) and AM29 (latest Vanquish and Rapide S) because all those engines are the later level variable cam timing engine on Bosch EMS, AM10 is the older level fixed cam timing engine?
And the “main” reason engine serial numbers and chassis numbers can vary / not tally by accenting / corresponding with chassis vin# depends on who is the customer for an engine!
A batch of engines will go to the production line and be used for the build of production cars. Then in the middle of that, parts warehouse might want a batch of engines for stock or engineering want a huge batch to use as donors for their test and development purposes of whatever is being designed next. Meaning the next batch of engines for production could then be +100 engine serial numbers onward from the last batch of engines delivered, meaning it’s quite possible between, say, V12V vin #500 and Vin #501, there’s a huge jump in engine serial numbers.
BamfordMike said:
Well done for getting practically everything wrong, that took some doing!
AM10 (V12V) is practically the same as AM08 (DBS) - both short track inlet manifold (less torque / more power than Long track inlet runner) @ 510 BHP, both are the old level engine with fixed cam timing using the Ford engine management system.
AM10 is not equivalent to DB9 (AM09) or Rapide (AM16) which both had 470 BHP long track inlet manifolds and different sump iterations. AM10 is certainly not equivalent to Vanquish2 (AM11) because vanquish2 was 565 BHP with variable cam timing and knock control on Bosch engine management system.
AM10 production (made from 2008 until approx. 2012 on old Ford ECU) “dispersed in AM11 production” (when AM11 commenced in 2012 with variable cam timing on Bosch ECU) what do you mean by that!!??
The only dispersed production possible can be between AM11 (V12VS) / AM11C (Rapide S and DB9) and AM29 (latest Vanquish and Rapide S) because all those engines are the later level variable cam timing engine on Bosch EMS, AM10 is the older level fixed cam timing engine?
And the “main” reason engine serial numbers and chassis numbers can vary / not tally by accenting / corresponding with chassis vin# depends on who is the customer for an engine!
A batch of engines will go to the production line and be used for the build of production cars. Then in the middle of that, parts warehouse might want a batch of engines for stock or engineering want a huge batch to use as donors for their test and development purposes of whatever is being designed next. Meaning the next batch of engines for production could then be +100 engine serial numbers onward from the last batch of engines delivered, meaning it’s quite possible between, say, V12V vin #500 and Vin #501, there’s a huge jump in engine serial numbers.
AM11 is not Bosch EMS, never has been, that’s AM27/8/9.... AM10 (V12V) is practically the same as AM08 (DBS) - both short track inlet manifold (less torque / more power than Long track inlet runner) @ 510 BHP, both are the old level engine with fixed cam timing using the Ford engine management system.
AM10 is not equivalent to DB9 (AM09) or Rapide (AM16) which both had 470 BHP long track inlet manifolds and different sump iterations. AM10 is certainly not equivalent to Vanquish2 (AM11) because vanquish2 was 565 BHP with variable cam timing and knock control on Bosch engine management system.
AM10 production (made from 2008 until approx. 2012 on old Ford ECU) “dispersed in AM11 production” (when AM11 commenced in 2012 with variable cam timing on Bosch ECU) what do you mean by that!!??
The only dispersed production possible can be between AM11 (V12VS) / AM11C (Rapide S and DB9) and AM29 (latest Vanquish and Rapide S) because all those engines are the later level variable cam timing engine on Bosch EMS, AM10 is the older level fixed cam timing engine?
And the “main” reason engine serial numbers and chassis numbers can vary / not tally by accenting / corresponding with chassis vin# depends on who is the customer for an engine!
A batch of engines will go to the production line and be used for the build of production cars. Then in the middle of that, parts warehouse might want a batch of engines for stock or engineering want a huge batch to use as donors for their test and development purposes of whatever is being designed next. Meaning the next batch of engines for production could then be +100 engine serial numbers onward from the last batch of engines delivered, meaning it’s quite possible between, say, V12V vin #500 and Vin #501, there’s a huge jump in engine serial numbers.
AM11 is Visteon EMS. Yes AM11 has VCT but doesn’t have knock sensors. AM27/8/9 have the knock sensors. What I’m saying is that AM10 and AM11 were essentially built at the same time, and hence the AM10 engine numbers do fit in sequence with AM11 numbers, even though there are differences between the engines.
Edited by starlight225 on Tuesday 18th September 16:14
Edited by starlight225 on Tuesday 18th September 17:02
starlight225 said:
Sorry but AM11 is not Bosch EMS, that’s AM27/8/9....
AM11 is Visteon EMS. What I’m saying is that AM10 and AM11 were essentially built at the same time, and hence the AM10 engine numbers fit in sequence with AM11 numbers, even though there are differences between the engines.
My mistake, 6 speed Vanquish is Ford ECU. I see so few of those cars and all I see is 8 speed so I confuse myself and think all Vanquish are on Bosch EMSAM11 is Visteon EMS. What I’m saying is that AM10 and AM11 were essentially built at the same time, and hence the AM10 engine numbers fit in sequence with AM11 numbers, even though there are differences between the engines.
The point of the original question was to understand if for V12V (AM10) if it’s possible that engine serial numbers were accending with Vin# and consecutive engine numbers could be found in V12V or DBS.
All AM08 (DBS) will start ‘AM08’ followed by 5 numbers. All AM10 (V12V) will start the inscription ‘AM10’ followed by 5 serial numbers.
I have around me a very late V12V with an AM10 engine and it’s number is AM10-3516*. I also have around me a very early AM11 6 speed vanquish, with engine number of AM11-0016*. So regardless of derivative prefix, the suffix (5 digit serial number) is not a rolling counter across all AM10 to 11 prefix, so AM10 numbers cannot fit in sequence with AM11
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