6 speed manual V12 Vantage becoming rarer?
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Sorry to drag this topic up again but it appears that there are only 4 V12 Vantage (6 speed) cars for sale in the Aston Timeless Network- 3 coupes and 1 roadster. One of the cars for sale is almost 10 years old! Looking on AT there are 9 cars for sale. This is a similar situation to last year.
Prices seem pretty stable too- compared to last year.
I was wondering whether many would be swapping their V12 Vantages for the newer V8 model but I'm guessing this hasn't materialised?
Prices seem pretty stable too- compared to last year.
I was wondering whether many would be swapping their V12 Vantages for the newer V8 model but I'm guessing this hasn't materialised?
Last of the manual naturally aspirated V12s made by ANY manufacturer.
Wrapped in one of the best car designs ever.
And they aren't making any more.
The new one looks gash, will be turbo'd like every other modern car, and won't have a V12.
V12 Vantage manual - get them while you can!
Wrapped in one of the best car designs ever.
And they aren't making any more.
The new one looks gash, will be turbo'd like every other modern car, and won't have a V12.
V12 Vantage manual - get them while you can!
Edited by spareparts on Sunday 27th January 00:12
spareparts said:
Last of the manual naturally aspirated V12s made by ANY manufacturer.
Wrapped in one of the best car designs ever.
And they aren't making any more.
The new one looks gash, will be turbo'd like every other modern car, and won't have a V12.
V12 Vantage manual - get them while you can!
I do hope that the V12 6 Speed manual becomes a classic. But I think you’re stretching your optimism in claiming the last of he NA V12s. Contrary to the Jeremy Clarkson Top Gear video production did continue long after the V12 6 Speed. Wrapped in one of the best car designs ever.
And they aren't making any more.
The new one looks gash, will be turbo'd like every other modern car, and won't have a V12.
V12 Vantage manual - get them while you can!
Edited by spareparts on Sunday 27th January 00:12
Indeed Aston Martin were still producing NA V12s in 2019
That aside they are great cars and look good value today given the price increases on the new ranges (not just from AML)
RobDown said:
I do hope that the V12 6 Speed manual becomes a classic. But I think you’re stretching your optimism in claiming the last of he NA V12s. Contrary to the Jeremy Clarkson Top Gear video production did continue long after the V12 6 Speed.
Indeed Aston Martin were still producing NA V12s in 2019
I think all V12V and the limited edition variants will over time. Basic architecture and Fisker-penned design all the same. My point is that only AML are doing this format, and the new Vantage is not designed to accept a NA V12 which, in comparison, does not look as well resolved a design. For 3 pedal V12 engagement, there are no other options from other manufacturers - and AML are clearly heading in a different design direction.Indeed Aston Martin were still producing NA V12s in 2019
Edited by spareparts on Sunday 27th January 10:25
spareparts said:
V12VS and ltd edition variants, yes. Basic architecture and Fisker-penned design all the same. My point is that only AML are doing this, and the new Vantage is not designed to accept a NA V12 which, in comparison, does not look as well resolved a design. For 3 pedal V12 engagement, there are no other options from other manufacturers - and AML are clearly heading in a different design direction.
I totally agree with you. What I guess I'm trying to say is that the original "old school" NA V12 with the 6 speed manual (not the 7 speed with rev matching seen in the V12S) is perhaps becoming a rarer entity. Some were predicting that people would get out of the V12 and jump into the newer shape. This doesn't appear to have happened looking at the number of "original" V12 Vantages available on the market.I have been told by someone at HWM that Aston Martin will not be putting a V12 in the new shaped Vantage.
Huge fan of a N/A V12, but even when they put htis engine in the New Vantage...........I don't know.......... exterior and interior looks are not my taste at al. In the current lineup only the DBSS is really stunning for me (exterior, the interior is also so so ....for such an expensive car!). Engine wise the V8 probably currently is the most involving one, or the DBSS V12 but then with a decent transmission (either Manual or DSG => Bentley GT(C) also has a DSG box, with same amount of torque!).
Until then...........I stick to my (Manual stick) DBS-V :-)
Until then...........I stick to my (Manual stick) DBS-V :-)
AWV12 said:
Huge fan of a N/A V12, but even when they put htis engine in the New Vantage...........I don't know.......... exterior and interior looks are not my taste at al. In the current lineup only the DBSS is really stunning for me (exterior, the interior is also so so ....for such an expensive car!). Engine wise the V8 probably currently is the most involving one, or the DBSS V12 but then with a decent transmission (either Manual or DSG => Bentley GT(C) also has a DSG box, with same amount of torque!).
Until then...........I stick to my (Manual stick) DBS-V :-)
How many manual volantes did they ever make? Must be rare as hens teeth....Until then...........I stick to my (Manual stick) DBS-V :-)
Ref the original thread, I’m not sure about the values of 6 speeds, there is still a drop in value as far as I can see. Considering selling my roadster and keeping the V12 S manual.
RobDown said:
..... But I think you’re stretching your optimism in claiming the last of he NA V12s. Contrary to the Jeremy Clarkson Top Gear video production did continue long after the V12 6 Speed.
Indeed Aston Martin were still producing NA V12s in 2019
Indeed Aston Martin were still producing NA V12s in 2019
Is the very last NA V12 model, the V12 Vantage V600?
I don't know whether the final car of that model has been completed yet. They are/were assembled at the Special Operations premises in Wellesbourne, Warwickshire.
My guess is that we will not see a 5.2TT V12 in the new Vantage. Although we have been told that it would be easy to fit, the disadvantage of significant extra front weight, and similar power to the M-B V8 (potential), leaves little reason to have it.
Edited by Jon39 on Sunday 27th January 11:54
Jon39 said:
Is the very last NA V12 model, the V12 Vantage V600?
I don't know whether the final car of that model has been completed yet. They are/were assembled at the Special Operations premises in Wellesbourne, Warwickshire.
My guess is that we will not see a 5.2TT V12 in the new Vantage. Although we have been told that it would be easy to fit, the disadvantage of significant extra front weight, and similar power to the M-B V8 (potential), leaves little reason to have it.
Edited by Jon39 on Sunday 27th January 11:54
As an aside I was looking at a new Vantage this morning when I was at HWM. Just a personal view but I think it will look better with bonnet vents- I won’t be surprised if they become standard at some point in the future
Rarer? In the sense that there are
(A) less for sale
or
(B) less still on the road
I suspect the number on the road is pretty constant, but the number for sale is shrinking as cars pass from people who buy a new car every year or whatever to those who are "buy-and-hold" purchasers.
Hence less for sale.
Although he's a frightful arse of a man, Clarkson was right in the wonderful, wonderful, wonderful review.
(A) less for sale
or
(B) less still on the road
I suspect the number on the road is pretty constant, but the number for sale is shrinking as cars pass from people who buy a new car every year or whatever to those who are "buy-and-hold" purchasers.
Hence less for sale.
Although he's a frightful arse of a man, Clarkson was right in the wonderful, wonderful, wonderful review.
bananarob said:
How many manual volantes did they ever make? Must be rare as hens teeth....
Although off topic Rob, as it happens there is a good article in the AMOC AMQ magazine by AMHT giving the information you are after. There were 845 DBS V’s built of which 44 were manuals. As you say they are very rare cars!IanV12VSRs said:
bananarob said:
How many manual volantes did they ever make? Must be rare as hens teeth....
Although off topic Rob, as it happens there is a good article in the AMOC AMQ magazine by AMHT giving the information you are after. There were 845 DBS V’s built of which 44 were manuals. As you say they are very rare cars!Jon39 said:
Is the very last NA V12 model, the V12 Vantage V600?
I don't know whether the final car of that model has been completed yet. They are/were assembled at the Special Operations premises in Wellesbourne, Warwickshire.
My guess is that we will not see a 5.2TT V12 in the new Vantage. Although we have been told that it would be easy to fit, the disadvantage of significant extra front weight, and similar power to the M-B V8 (potential), leaves little reason to have it.
spareparts said:
Looking at the side profile of the new Vantage, it sits very low - in comparison to the V12V - and lacks sufficient height to house a NA V12.
The appearance may give that impression, although Andy Palmer has made a public comment that a V12 will fit. Perhaps it would require a bonnet bulge. He described the engine pickup points on the Vantage, as being identical to the DB11.
Even so, I think the introduction of a V12 Vantage seems very unlikely (and certainly not the 5.9 N.A. version), for the reasons that I have already mentioned.
Just spent the day at the local AM dealer in Newcastle driving the new Vantage.. Can’t really see why they would want or need to put a V12 in it given the torque of the twin turbo motor and the potential for more bhp if needed. Very impressive with all the latest Mercedes Benz sourced toys. Not so keen on the large number of beer tokens required to buy one.
Johnd52 said:
Just spent the day at the local AM dealer in Newcastle driving the new Vantage.. Can’t really see why they would want or need to put a V12 in it given the torque of the twin turbo motor and the potential for more bhp if needed. Very impressive with all the latest Mercedes Benz sourced toys. Not so keen on the large number of beer tokens required to buy one.
Push them hard and you’ll find you don’t need as many beer tokens as you think.Johnd52 said:
Just spent the day at the local AM dealer in Newcastle driving the new Vantage.. Can’t really see why they would want or need to put a V12 in it given the torque of the twin turbo motor and the potential for more bhp if needed. Very impressive with all the latest Mercedes Benz sourced toys. Not so keen on the large number of beer tokens required to buy one.
Yes and this is why the V12V is becoming rarer!
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