flappy paddles
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looking at buying my second vantage.
1st with flappy paddles 2009 sportshift.
I've read they can be temperamental buggers.
The statements don't drive it in d etc.
I've not actually been near the car or driven it yet so a couple of questions
Example: I'm in a manual sitting at traffic lights on a hill
Personally, I would be in neutral hand brake on.
Light turns green, Into 1st feather the clutch till you feel engine catch.
off hand brake let the clutch out fully, pull away applying power.
Sportshift: are you in D?
Or do you push the button the dash to neutral/ then handbrake on?
or using the paddles. I think its both back until you know its in neutral. handbrake on
To pull away on a hill, Do you flip it into first without applying power then handbrake off???
Or flip into first apply power than fight against the handbrake?
A 2nd question they don't like going backwards.
It just so happens I need to either reverse it out my garage doing 3 to 4 points turns or do the reverse up the driveway on an incline which was bad enough on a manual.
Is it push the reverse button, and hope for the best while covering the brake, or does it work with a flappy paddle,
3rd option Move house Replace garage with straight Driveway
1st with flappy paddles 2009 sportshift.
I've read they can be temperamental buggers.
The statements don't drive it in d etc.
I've not actually been near the car or driven it yet so a couple of questions
Example: I'm in a manual sitting at traffic lights on a hill
Personally, I would be in neutral hand brake on.
Light turns green, Into 1st feather the clutch till you feel engine catch.
off hand brake let the clutch out fully, pull away applying power.
Sportshift: are you in D?
Or do you push the button the dash to neutral/ then handbrake on?
or using the paddles. I think its both back until you know its in neutral. handbrake on
To pull away on a hill, Do you flip it into first without applying power then handbrake off???
Or flip into first apply power than fight against the handbrake?
A 2nd question they don't like going backwards.
It just so happens I need to either reverse it out my garage doing 3 to 4 points turns or do the reverse up the driveway on an incline which was bad enough on a manual.
Is it push the reverse button, and hope for the best while covering the brake, or does it work with a flappy paddle,
3rd option Move house Replace garage with straight Driveway
I think you are thinking too much into it.
As long as you are happy with getting a Sportshift then get in it and you will do what you feel is right. Only thing i would say is never drive the car in "auto" and everything else will come naturally.
But after all that.......ignore the Sportshift and wait until a manual comes along!
As long as you are happy with getting a Sportshift then get in it and you will do what you feel is right. Only thing i would say is never drive the car in "auto" and everything else will come naturally.
But after all that.......ignore the Sportshift and wait until a manual comes along!
Oh dear, not again. I have an '09 4.7 SS. It can be a very rewarding drive once you master it properly, 'if' I change for a newer or V12 I wouldn't hesitate to have another. When I was looking for one it was year/colour/mileage/spec at top of list and I wasn't fussed if manual or SS.
A couple of months ago, there was this same sort of thread:
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=17...
Relax and enjoy the Sportshift! A great combo in a Vantage from my own personal experience. Probably wouldn’t get another manual Vantage now... not even the breathtaking V12 Vantage Zagato (as/when lottery numbers turn up and AM Bristol sell the one that’s just come in to stop tempting me
).
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=17...
Relax and enjoy the Sportshift! A great combo in a Vantage from my own personal experience. Probably wouldn’t get another manual Vantage now... not even the breathtaking V12 Vantage Zagato (as/when lottery numbers turn up and AM Bristol sell the one that’s just come in to stop tempting me
).Definitely overthinking it.
Test drive one back to your house but don’t because once you’ve driven it you’ll buy it anyway.
Moving will then become an option.
Other than not needing to use D because the paddles are simply better - over 17k miles and nearly 4 years as a near dd there’s not been once I wished I had kept my V8 manual.
Test drive one back to your house but don’t because once you’ve driven it you’ll buy it anyway.
Moving will then become an option.
Other than not needing to use D because the paddles are simply better - over 17k miles and nearly 4 years as a near dd there’s not been once I wished I had kept my V8 manual.
Generally if l am doing a stop start journey l would use the flappy paddles as this is the only way you can put car in neutral, every time you stop foot on brake and pull both paddles back and you sit there in neutral with no wear on clutch, to pull away keep foot on brake and pull paddle. If your in D there is no way the car can go into neutral so you sit there wearing the clutch!
Fun fast drive flappy paddles all day nothing like changing up at max revs.
Cruising motorways nice lazy drive in D.
Last point do not back out of garage up a slope the reverse gear ratio is to high, back in so you can drive out it’s worth the effort as the smell of burning clutch in the morning is not nice.
Have fun and l don’t understand the negative comments on flappy paddles l love them.
Fun fast drive flappy paddles all day nothing like changing up at max revs.
Cruising motorways nice lazy drive in D.
Last point do not back out of garage up a slope the reverse gear ratio is to high, back in so you can drive out it’s worth the effort as the smell of burning clutch in the morning is not nice.
Have fun and l don’t understand the negative comments on flappy paddles l love them.
two sheds said:
Generally if l am doing a stop start journey l would use the flappy paddles as this is the only way you can put car in neutral, every time you stop foot on brake and pull both paddles back and you sit there in neutral with no wear on clutch, to pull away keep foot on brake and pull paddle.
And for the benefit of the people behind you take your foot off the brake while waiting and put the kin handbrake on.David W. said:
And for the benefit of the people behind you take your foot off the brake while waiting and put the kin handbrake on.
Normally I'd fully agree. I never understood why everybody stood on the brake at lights (90% of drivers?) when they invented a hand brake for that job.However........ with the Sportshift, I found myself change habit. I think it's to do with the slightly slower-to-operate fly-off handbrake (excuse, maybe).
But I always put Sportshift into neutral (pull both paddles back simultaneously).
The only negative of Sportshift was the less-than-smooth braking in the last 15mph. I would be running down the gears, as I would do in a manual (2nd... 1st...) but the Sportshift often have the kangaroo impression if slowing down gently. It wasn't really an issue if braking harder, unless you count 1-inch-away Audis being a potentially costly issue.
So now, when down to around 25mph, I simply pull on both paddles to get it into neutral and it glides to a stop perfectly. And if the traffic suddenly gets going again before coming to a stop, I simply pull on the right-hand paddle and the appropriate gear is engaged perfectly (1st, 2nd or 3rd).
It's a really great system. And gives you much more time to concentrate on steering and braking, without losing any sense of involvement.
stevenotwet said:
Example: I'm in a manual sitting at traffic lights on a hill
Personally, I would be in neutral hand brake on.
Light turns green, Into 1st feather the clutch till you feel engine catch.
off hand brake let the clutch out fully, pull away applying power.
Sportshift: are you in D?
Or do you push the button the dash to neutral/ then handbrake on?
or using the paddles. I think its both back until you know its in neutral. handbrake on
To pull away on a hill, Do you flip it into first without applying power then handbrake off???
Or flip into first apply power than fight against the handbrake?
However sometimes HSA doesn’t engage. I drive the car on the paddles, so I leave it in 1 and cover the brake. To pull away I just shift my foot from brake to gas and go. Now if you are in a queue going uphill you can’t really creep easily doing this - it’s stop or go really. Besides creeping isn’t great for the clutch.
[quote]A 2nd question they don't like going backwards.
It just so happens I need to either reverse it out my garage doing 3 to 4 points turns or do the reverse up the driveway on an incline which was bad enough on a manual.
Is it push the reverse button, and hope for the best while covering the brake, or does it work with a flappy paddle,
3rd option Move house Replace garage with straight Driveway
I have to reverse up a small slope to get onto my drive. Pull up, car drops to 1. Press R. Gas, and you go backwards. No gas and you stop going backwards (or roll forwards if reversing up a hill).
It’s simpler than you think.
1) Leave in 1st at a light...there is no clutch wear
2) On a hill, use your left foot on the brake to hold position
3) To move off, just step on the gas pedal until you feel the clutch grab and release the brake so there is no roll back
Why mess with the handbrake, it's not a 3-pedal manual after all.
2) On a hill, use your left foot on the brake to hold position
3) To move off, just step on the gas pedal until you feel the clutch grab and release the brake so there is no roll back
Why mess with the handbrake, it's not a 3-pedal manual after all.
"There’s no creep with SS. Put it in 1 or R and it won’t move unless you use the gas."
- there is on mine (2011) foot on brake, select 1st by paddle or R by button, foot off brake and covering it, and (on flat ground) it will 'creep' - very useful for low speed manoeuvring. For hill starts, foot on brake, select 1st with paddle, hand on handbrake, move foot to accelerator pedal, as you increase revs lower handbrake - after a couple of goes its second nature. Finally, for the first year I had the car (I did move house!) I had to reverse up a very steep drive, which if I didn't get the revs right led to the nasty clutch smell that everyone mentions - however no lasting damage as that was 30,000 miles ago. Good luck! Dave.
- there is on mine (2011) foot on brake, select 1st by paddle or R by button, foot off brake and covering it, and (on flat ground) it will 'creep' - very useful for low speed manoeuvring. For hill starts, foot on brake, select 1st with paddle, hand on handbrake, move foot to accelerator pedal, as you increase revs lower handbrake - after a couple of goes its second nature. Finally, for the first year I had the car (I did move house!) I had to reverse up a very steep drive, which if I didn't get the revs right led to the nasty clutch smell that everyone mentions - however no lasting damage as that was 30,000 miles ago. Good luck! Dave.
dwell said:
"There’s no creep with SS. Put it in 1 or R and it won’t move unless you use the gas."
- there is on mine (2011) foot on brake, select 1st by paddle or R by button, foot off brake and covering it, and (on flat ground) it will 'creep' - very useful for low speed manoeuvring. For hill starts, foot on brake, select 1st with paddle, hand on handbrake, move foot to accelerator pedal, as you increase revs lower handbrake - after a couple of goes its second nature. Finally, for the first year I had the car (I did move house!) I had to reverse up a very steep drive, which if I didn't get the revs right led to the nasty clutch smell that everyone mentions - however no lasting damage as that was 30,000 miles ago. Good luck! Dave.
SSII or SSIII? Because there is zero creep in mine, which is SSIII. - there is on mine (2011) foot on brake, select 1st by paddle or R by button, foot off brake and covering it, and (on flat ground) it will 'creep' - very useful for low speed manoeuvring. For hill starts, foot on brake, select 1st with paddle, hand on handbrake, move foot to accelerator pedal, as you increase revs lower handbrake - after a couple of goes its second nature. Finally, for the first year I had the car (I did move house!) I had to reverse up a very steep drive, which if I didn't get the revs right led to the nasty clutch smell that everyone mentions - however no lasting damage as that was 30,000 miles ago. Good luck! Dave.
Greg66 said:
SSII or SSIII? Because there is zero creep in mine, which is SSIII.
Sorry I don't know - but in the Drivers guide it calls it a 'Crawl Function' and states "The V8 Vantage Sportshift has a crawl function which occurs when the car is in either 1st or Reverse, the foot brake and hand-brake is released and no throttle input is made..."dwell said:
Greg66 said:
SSII or SSIII? Because there is zero creep in mine, which is SSIII.
Sorry I don't know - but in the Drivers guide it calls it a 'Crawl Function' and states "The V8 Vantage Sportshift has a crawl function which occurs when the car is in either 1st or Reverse, the foot brake and hand-brake is released and no throttle input is made..."Gassing Station | Aston Martin | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff