James Bond's next Aston Martin - shush
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Common sense would dictate that an AM-RB 003 would be a sensible choice; it's a hybrid, so that should please the tree hugging director... who presumably wants environmentally friendly pyrotechnics and zero damage to the environment during filming.
An odd article, but some factoids tally with what I'd heard (OHMSS re-make, but Waltz isn't coming back, or at least wasn't). I didn't realise Boyle was set on ending Bond; that's a bit dramatic.
An odd article, but some factoids tally with what I'd heard (OHMSS re-make, but Waltz isn't coming back, or at least wasn't). I didn't realise Boyle was set on ending Bond; that's a bit dramatic.
NFC 85 Vette said:
Common sense would dictate that an AM-RB 003 would be a sensible choice; it's a hybrid, so that should please the tree hugging director... who presumably wants environmentally friendly pyrotechnics and zero damage to the environment during filming.
An odd article, but some factoids tally with what I'd heard (OHMSS re-make, but Waltz isn't coming back, or at least wasn't). I didn't realise Boyle was set on ending Bond; that's a bit dramatic.
Maybe so the whole thing can reboot...maybe with an eco friendly ethic minority LGBTQ single mum playing Bond??? Attacking via Twitter to ruin a carer of evil henchmen #stopworking4spectre is bound to bring them down...An odd article, but some factoids tally with what I'd heard (OHMSS re-make, but Waltz isn't coming back, or at least wasn't). I didn't realise Boyle was set on ending Bond; that's a bit dramatic.
daddy cool said:
"Director Cary Joji Fukunaga wants bond to drive electric car to be eco-friendly"
I wouldn't give too much weight to a quote from an unnamed source in a paper that is hardly known for thorough fact-checking and rigorous reporting standards. It could just be that Aston want to showcase the Rapide E.TR-Spider said:
+1 on this.
I'm getting so sick of this ever increasing bombardment with eco-PC BS...
Agreed. There are those out there who genuinely believe and live by their eco-friendly morals, and fair play to that, no issues there. Then there are those who spout sI'm getting so sick of this ever increasing bombardment with eco-PC BS...
te because they think this is what they should be saying, not because they genuinely believe it. The second bunch are the choppers who wind me up 
TR-Spider said:
daddy cool said:
"Director Cary Joji Fukunaga wants bond to drive electric car to be eco-friendly"
Oh, do fk off.
+1 on this.Oh, do f
k off.I'm getting so sick of this ever increasing bombardment with eco-PC BS...
Also, how do these people think the electricity that powers these cars is actually made?
The may be no 'emissions' made at the point of driving, but there certainly were many emissions made at the point of generating said electricity (let alone the emissions made in building the this).
People need to look at the big picture before tree-hugging.
NFC 85 Vette said:
Common sense would dictate that an AM-RB 003 would be a sensible choice; it's a hybrid, so that should please the tree hugging director... who presumably wants environmentally friendly pyrotechnics and zero damage to the environment during filming.
003 would certainly be the logical (and cool) choice. Would also allow for any futuristic gadgets they want to add, and be believable.TBH I don't really care what model it is.
But if the rumours are true that the 007 franchise have chosen to put 007 (a british spy) in a british built car - and in doing so are maintaining their AM relationship, then to my eyes at least this is very good news for all us AM owners and the AML employees = win win.
If this proves to be true then congratulations to AP & all at AML for securing the deal.
But if the rumours are true that the 007 franchise have chosen to put 007 (a british spy) in a british built car - and in doing so are maintaining their AM relationship, then to my eyes at least this is very good news for all us AM owners and the AML employees = win win.
If this proves to be true then congratulations to AP & all at AML for securing the deal.
JulianPH said:
Also, how do these people think the electricity that powers these cars is actually made?
The may be no 'emissions' made at the point of driving, but there certainly were many emissions made at the point of generating said electricity (let alone the emissions made in building the this).
That's a very good question, and I was curious about the answer. There are no real-world examples of the range per kWh of a Rapide E; but Aston claim 0.325 kWh per mile. Let's assume the final car is in the same ballpark as a top-end Tesla Model S. When Autocar tested the Model S P85D they achieved a real-world range of 222 miles from the 85kWh battery, equal to 0.382 kWh per mile.The may be no 'emissions' made at the point of driving, but there certainly were many emissions made at the point of generating said electricity (let alone the emissions made in building the this).
The government publishes figures on emissions for UK electricity generation based on CO2 per kWh (actually CO2 equivalent, some gasses like CH4 are converted for clarity). In 2018 UK power generation released 283 g/CO2 per kWh. Taking into account a 7.7% delivery loss in the national grid, that means a model S is responsible for 116.7 g co2 per mile, or 72.4 g/km. Using the same maths based on Aston's claims for the Rapide E you get a figure of 61.4 g/km, the real figure is likely to be somewhere between the two.
It's not really fair to compare that to the Rapide S with it's old-school fuel guzzling NA V12, so let's compare with the super-efficient V8 DB11. That emits 230 g/km officially, and that's if you drive it like they do on the official fuel consumption test, and honestly how many of us do that? Real world it will be significantly higher, although I couldn't find test figures like I could for the Tesla.
That makes greenhouse gas emissions in the region of 4 times higher for a new petrol powered Aston than the Rapide E.
Does that mean I think Bond should be driving one? ....
... Not really; I honestly don't care much as long as they keep him out of one of those ugly DBX things. If Aston want to showcase their latest tech in a blockbuster then fine. Does it mean I'm now sold on electric power? Also no, I tried a Model S and I won't be giving up my 5.9 V12 any time soon.
So what does it mean? Not much, other than that I like playing with figures and when I see a discussion where some figures will be useful I like to bring them.
murphyaj said:
That's a very good question, and I was curious about the answer......
The government publishes figures on emissions for UK electricity generation based on CO2 per kWh (actually CO2 equivalent, some gasses like CH4 are converted for clarity). In 2018 UK power generation released 283 g/CO2 per kWh. Taking into account a 7.7% delivery loss in the national grid, that means a model S is responsible for 116.7 g co2 per mile, or 72.4 g/km. Using the same maths based on Aston's claims for the Rapide E you get a figure of 61.4 g/km, the real figure is likely to be somewhere between the two.
That makes greenhouse gas emissions in the region of 4 times higher for a new petrol powered Aston than the Rapide E.
Does that mean I think Bond should be driving one? ....
... Not really; I honestly don't care much as long as they keep him out of one of those ugly DBX things. If Aston want to showcase their latest tech in a blockbuster then fine. Does it mean I'm now sold on electric power? Also no, I tried a Model S and I won't be giving up my 5.9 V12 any time soon.
So what does it mean? Not much, other than that I like playing with figures and when I see a discussion where some figures will be useful I like to bring them.
The government publishes figures on emissions for UK electricity generation based on CO2 per kWh (actually CO2 equivalent, some gasses like CH4 are converted for clarity). In 2018 UK power generation released 283 g/CO2 per kWh. Taking into account a 7.7% delivery loss in the national grid, that means a model S is responsible for 116.7 g co2 per mile, or 72.4 g/km. Using the same maths based on Aston's claims for the Rapide E you get a figure of 61.4 g/km, the real figure is likely to be somewhere between the two.
That makes greenhouse gas emissions in the region of 4 times higher for a new petrol powered Aston than the Rapide E.
Does that mean I think Bond should be driving one? ....
... Not really; I honestly don't care much as long as they keep him out of one of those ugly DBX things. If Aston want to showcase their latest tech in a blockbuster then fine. Does it mean I'm now sold on electric power? Also no, I tried a Model S and I won't be giving up my 5.9 V12 any time soon.
So what does it mean? Not much, other than that I like playing with figures and when I see a discussion where some figures will be useful I like to bring them.
Perhaps drivers of electric cars, having heard the marketing people call them zero emission vehicles, feel very pleased with themselves for 'not' causing any pollution at all.
Your information about the emissions from generation is interesting, but I wonder whether there might be even more pollution involved, which is purposely never spoken about..
Today in and around the shores of the UK we have strong winds and some sunshine. A good day for renewables generation (June would I expect be better for solar), but at the moment 56.6% of electricity generation is still by 'old' methods.
The coal and gas have had to be transported (gas probably all the way from Qatar), and when the electricity is sent to its destination, I think there are losses during transmission.
Good progress us being made, but a zero emissions car does not exist.
On average I expect Aston Martins must be fairly 'kind to the planet', simply because many do very low annual mileages.
Edited by Jon39 on Thursday 14th March 15:40
Jon39 said:
Perhaps drivers of electric cars, having heard the marketing people call them zero emission vehicles, feel very pleased with themselves for 'not' causing any pollution at all.
Your information about the emissions from generation is interesting, but I wonder whether there might be even more pollution involved, which us never spoken about..
Today in and around the shores of the UK we have strong winds and some sunshine. A good day for renewables generation (June would I expect be better for solar), but at the moment 56.6% of electricity generation is by 'old' methods.
The coal and gas have had to be transported (gas probably all the way from Qatar probably), and when the electricity is sent to its destination, I think there are losses during transmission.
Good progress us being made, but a zero emissions car is does not exist.
Many Aston Martins must be fairly 'kind to the planet', simply because many do very low mileages.
I agree with the point about Astons being kind to the planet though. My DB9 might guzzle fuel, but it only does a few thousand miles a year.
I would like to wager that even before the movie is filmed, there will be a scene in the film where the silence of the electric car will be used for its stealth mode, creeping up on the baddie.
Dont forget either that the cars on film could easily be petrol powered with the soundtrack deleted. The Vanquish in "Die Another Day" was in fact a 4 wheel drive with a Ford V8 and the Jaguar was a Ford Explorer 4x4 with an XK8 body and a Mustang V8 engine.
Not all will be as it appears Mr Bond. He he he he he.
Dont forget either that the cars on film could easily be petrol powered with the soundtrack deleted. The Vanquish in "Die Another Day" was in fact a 4 wheel drive with a Ford V8 and the Jaguar was a Ford Explorer 4x4 with an XK8 body and a Mustang V8 engine.
Not all will be as it appears Mr Bond. He he he he he.
Gents, I love my weekend performance ICE cars, but as an engineer in the biz, please be clear that holistically a Tesla MS is FAR more efficient well to wheel than even a 100 mpg diesel hatchback. It boils down to the the fundamental thermodynamic efficiency of the operations involved in producing and transporting petrol/diesel vs. electricity (UK nighttime electricity is realtively clean) as well as the poor efficiency of that then producing power. All that heat and the noise that we love - that’s wasted energy. BTW most journos have no idea how to charge and use such cars. I routinely get better than 300 WH/mile. It’s all about using the built in pre conditioning and charging overnight - and never having to waste time driving to smelly petrol stations.
Except to occasionally top up the V12, of course.....
Except to occasionally top up the V12, of course.....
Edited by 12pack on Friday 15th March 19:10
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