Contemplating a move from Scuderia to Vanquish
Discussion
Morning all...
I've owned my (beloved) 430 Scuderia for the last 5 years and have this nagging feeling I want a change. It's a tough one as its the best car ive ever owned and am a Ferrari fan boy so it needs to be something special to tempt me away. Aston is my second favourite marque and have always loved the Vanquish so think this is the direction of travel for me.
I'm aware that it wont be as track focused and is of a different character. Not looking to swap a like for like in that respect and actually fancy something less focused.
My questions are, what is the general consensus amongst the Aston community of the Vanquish, specifically a 2015 onward 8 speed hard top. Are they reliable (my Scud has been bomb proof) what are the servicing / maintenance costs and intervals and (dreaded crystal ball question) thoughts on future values. On that latter point I see V12 Vantages (another fav of mine), especially the series one cars, seem to be holding well.
Or am I mad and should I stick with my Scud?
Any feedback greatly appreciated.
I've owned my (beloved) 430 Scuderia for the last 5 years and have this nagging feeling I want a change. It's a tough one as its the best car ive ever owned and am a Ferrari fan boy so it needs to be something special to tempt me away. Aston is my second favourite marque and have always loved the Vanquish so think this is the direction of travel for me.
I'm aware that it wont be as track focused and is of a different character. Not looking to swap a like for like in that respect and actually fancy something less focused.
My questions are, what is the general consensus amongst the Aston community of the Vanquish, specifically a 2015 onward 8 speed hard top. Are they reliable (my Scud has been bomb proof) what are the servicing / maintenance costs and intervals and (dreaded crystal ball question) thoughts on future values. On that latter point I see V12 Vantages (another fav of mine), especially the series one cars, seem to be holding well.
Or am I mad and should I stick with my Scud?
Any feedback greatly appreciated.
I have a Vanquish S Volante that I absolutely adore. Did the Ferrari thing many years ago and I adored that too.
I have had mine 12 months and it has lost a fortune looking at advertised prices. That said I suspect the early 8 speed cars have probably done most of their depreciating. We are however in a market that is going through a long overdue correction as I'm sure you know.
Most on here will tell you the V12 is bombproof and one would also hope an early 8 speed car has had any niggles ironed out.
Mine is at Works Service as I type for its second service which is fixed price at £761.00 inc VAT
Nick
I have had mine 12 months and it has lost a fortune looking at advertised prices. That said I suspect the early 8 speed cars have probably done most of their depreciating. We are however in a market that is going through a long overdue correction as I'm sure you know.
Most on here will tell you the V12 is bombproof and one would also hope an early 8 speed car has had any niggles ironed out.
Mine is at Works Service as I type for its second service which is fixed price at £761.00 inc VAT
Nick
As mentioned by the other chaps, they're very different - both wonderful in their own ways though. The Vanquish will likely have reduced running costs over the Scud, and on a run, drink less fuel. They're bulletproof mechanically, and don't suffer from corrosion issues due to the carbon body. 8 speed cars are incrementally better than 6 speed cars, but there's not masses in it.
Best advice is to drive one; they're wonderful GT cars that can be thrown around in a fashion you wouldn't expect for a 2+2 GT.
Best advice is to drive one; they're wonderful GT cars that can be thrown around in a fashion you wouldn't expect for a 2+2 GT.
Thanks to all for the input. Need to find some time for a test drive to make sure its what I what and part with the Scud. I've also been reading the 'V8 Vantage bargain' thread and may decide to keep the Scud and get hold of one of these beautiful bargains to get my Aston fix. I know it's not the V12 full fat version but it might be the way forward until I'm fully convinced.
Thanks again chaps!
Thanks again chaps!
Slickhillsy said:
I've also been reading the 'V8 Vantage bargain' thread and may decide to keep the Scud and get hold of one of these beautiful bargains to get my Aston fix. I know it's not the V12 full fat version but it might be the way forward until I'm fully convinced.
I expect you may already know, but the Vantage was upgraded for model year 2009 (4.7).
Numerous changes, including a significant torque increase.
The other decision for Vantage buyers, is whether to choose a manual or automated manual gearbox.
Dewi 2 said:
I expect you may already know, but the Vantage was upgraded for model year 2009 (4.7).
Numerous changes, including a significant torque increase.
The other decision for Vantage buyers, is whether to choose a manual or automated manual gearbox.
Yes thanks. Thought I'd keep it simple and go for the 4.3 and definitely a manual.
Slickhillsy said:
Hey Dewi.
Yes thanks. Thought I'd keep it simple and go for the 4.3 and definitely a manual.
Yes thanks. Thought I'd keep it simple and go for the 4.3 and definitely a manual.
There is certainly a feeling of greater acceleration with the 4.7, so as you have been used to a Ferrari, my suggestion would be to drive both before making your decision.
The good 4.7 cars will probably continue to hold their value premium over 4.3s, because I think fewer might be available.
I would try a vantage in addition to your 430 before selling it.
Slightly different but I have had my 355 spider for 14 years and had a 550 as well up to 12 months ago.
I too had the Aston itch ( which I have had for 30 years!)
I bought a db7 vantage volante and then a vantage roadster last year and whilst they were lovely ( more so the vantage) i ended up selling both and keeping the 355 and buying a 911.
Very different to Ferrari’s. In fact almost incomparable so much so that if you are a Ferrari nut then I think both is the way forwards
Phib
Slightly different but I have had my 355 spider for 14 years and had a 550 as well up to 12 months ago.
I too had the Aston itch ( which I have had for 30 years!)
I bought a db7 vantage volante and then a vantage roadster last year and whilst they were lovely ( more so the vantage) i ended up selling both and keeping the 355 and buying a 911.
Very different to Ferrari’s. In fact almost incomparable so much so that if you are a Ferrari nut then I think both is the way forwards
Phib
I have driven a Ferrari 612 Scaglietti and F430 Coupe. I then changed to Vantage V12 and lately bought a 2016 Vanquish.
I will never forget when I got the 612, I was really excited but looking back it was more a driving a Ferrari feeling then the car itself. I used the 612 as a daily driver but wasn't that much convinced because of a bunch of painful problems (electronic and quality issues) took the car more often into the repair shop than on the road. The F430 was much better, very sporty and largely reliable. I loved the 430 even if I did not use it as a daily driver. Unfortunately my wife did not like Ferrari, she never enjoyed driving with the car for a couple of reasons.
After a lengthy debate I took a Vantage V12 and felt in love from the beginning. The engine was smooth and responsive and the car was very fast and rock solid in terms of driving dynamics. I live in Germany and as you know, we have no general speed limit on motorways. If you like, you can go as fast as you want.
Changing from Ferrari to the Vantage was quite a difference. The 430 is much stiffer and has slightly better brakes but is not generally better in terms of accelerating and dynamics. Let's say it's different. But interior of the Vantage is by far better. Leather quality, haptic, look and feel and the love for details is not comparable with Ferrari.
After our twins were born I took a Vanquish with two child seats in the back and even though a foldable buggy in the trunk (no problem at all). Meanwhile I love the Vanquish because of its possibilities. You can go fast and sporty or slow down and cruise. You can have vacation with two luggages and a sports back. Driving the Ferrari I had always the feeling to drive ambitiously fast and sporty. I never relaxed in a Ferrari. I never used the car for long weekend trip or even for vacations.
Finally, I owned the Vantage 120.000km and have driven the Vanquish almost 70.000km, and here it comes, I never faced a single problem with defects till now. It's remarkable... Only my first car, a VW Golf had a similar reliability but this is almost 30 years ago.
I will never forget when I got the 612, I was really excited but looking back it was more a driving a Ferrari feeling then the car itself. I used the 612 as a daily driver but wasn't that much convinced because of a bunch of painful problems (electronic and quality issues) took the car more often into the repair shop than on the road. The F430 was much better, very sporty and largely reliable. I loved the 430 even if I did not use it as a daily driver. Unfortunately my wife did not like Ferrari, she never enjoyed driving with the car for a couple of reasons.
After a lengthy debate I took a Vantage V12 and felt in love from the beginning. The engine was smooth and responsive and the car was very fast and rock solid in terms of driving dynamics. I live in Germany and as you know, we have no general speed limit on motorways. If you like, you can go as fast as you want.
Changing from Ferrari to the Vantage was quite a difference. The 430 is much stiffer and has slightly better brakes but is not generally better in terms of accelerating and dynamics. Let's say it's different. But interior of the Vantage is by far better. Leather quality, haptic, look and feel and the love for details is not comparable with Ferrari.
After our twins were born I took a Vanquish with two child seats in the back and even though a foldable buggy in the trunk (no problem at all). Meanwhile I love the Vanquish because of its possibilities. You can go fast and sporty or slow down and cruise. You can have vacation with two luggages and a sports back. Driving the Ferrari I had always the feeling to drive ambitiously fast and sporty. I never relaxed in a Ferrari. I never used the car for long weekend trip or even for vacations.
Finally, I owned the Vantage 120.000km and have driven the Vanquish almost 70.000km, and here it comes, I never faced a single problem with defects till now. It's remarkable... Only my first car, a VW Golf had a similar reliability but this is almost 30 years ago.
v8maniac said:
Finally, I owned the Vantage 120.000km and have driven the Vanquish almost 70.000km, and here it comes, I never faced a single problem with defects till now. It's remarkable... Only my first car, a VW Golf had a similar reliability but this is almost 30 years ago.
Amazing, that.My search started with a MY13 Vantage N430 in 'race' colouring. Lovely car, but the bucket seats did not suit me very well. Next to it was a F430, dark gray with red interior. Drove it and fell in love, but as above I did feel that I fell in love with driving a Ferrari, rather than the car itself. Fortunately, I never bought it, but drove a DB9 and got stuck with that instead.
The DB9, not quite as impressive as the Vanquish, but the same category of car. You can go nice and slow, cruising about, whilst it does not disappoint when driven spiritedly.
Depending on what you're after I would indeed try a Vantage as well. I never felt that they had the ride quality to be driven as a GT, but that's compared to a DB9, not a 430. Especially not compared to a Scuderia.
Good luck!
v8maniac said:
I have driven a Ferrari 612 Scaglietti and F430 Coupe. I then changed to Vantage V12 and lately bought a 2016 Vanquish.
I will never forget when I got the 612, I was really excited but looking back it was more a driving a Ferrari feeling then the car itself. I used the 612 as a daily driver but wasn't that much convinced because of a bunch of painful problems (electronic and quality issues) took the car more often into the repair shop than on the road. The F430 was much better, very sporty and largely reliable. I loved the 430 even if I did not use it as a daily driver. Unfortunately my wife did not like Ferrari, she never enjoyed driving with the car for a couple of reasons.
After a lengthy debate I took a Vantage V12 and felt in love from the beginning. The engine was smooth and responsive and the car was very fast and rock solid in terms of driving dynamics. I live in Germany and as you know, we have no general speed limit on motorways. If you like, you can go as fast as you want.
Changing from Ferrari to the Vantage was quite a difference. The 430 is much stiffer and has slightly better brakes but is not generally better in terms of accelerating and dynamics. Let's say it's different. But interior of the Vantage is by far better. Leather quality, haptic, look and feel and the love for details is not comparable with Ferrari.
After our twins were born I took a Vanquish with two child seats in the back and even though a foldable buggy in the trunk (no problem at all). Meanwhile I love the Vanquish because of its possibilities. You can go fast and sporty or slow down and cruise. You can have vacation with two luggages and a sports back. Driving the Ferrari I had always the feeling to drive ambitiously fast and sporty. I never relaxed in a Ferrari. I never used the car for long weekend trip or even for vacations.
Finally, I owned the Vantage 120.000km and have driven the Vanquish almost 70.000km, and here it comes, I never faced a single problem with defects till now. It's remarkable... Only my first car, a VW Golf had a similar reliability but this is almost 30 years ago.
Wow. Congrats, I'm also planning to go on tour with my family in our Vanquish this year,and I'm doing a road trip to the Alps with a friend in September, cannot wait. I will never forget when I got the 612, I was really excited but looking back it was more a driving a Ferrari feeling then the car itself. I used the 612 as a daily driver but wasn't that much convinced because of a bunch of painful problems (electronic and quality issues) took the car more often into the repair shop than on the road. The F430 was much better, very sporty and largely reliable. I loved the 430 even if I did not use it as a daily driver. Unfortunately my wife did not like Ferrari, she never enjoyed driving with the car for a couple of reasons.
After a lengthy debate I took a Vantage V12 and felt in love from the beginning. The engine was smooth and responsive and the car was very fast and rock solid in terms of driving dynamics. I live in Germany and as you know, we have no general speed limit on motorways. If you like, you can go as fast as you want.
Changing from Ferrari to the Vantage was quite a difference. The 430 is much stiffer and has slightly better brakes but is not generally better in terms of accelerating and dynamics. Let's say it's different. But interior of the Vantage is by far better. Leather quality, haptic, look and feel and the love for details is not comparable with Ferrari.
After our twins were born I took a Vanquish with two child seats in the back and even though a foldable buggy in the trunk (no problem at all). Meanwhile I love the Vanquish because of its possibilities. You can go fast and sporty or slow down and cruise. You can have vacation with two luggages and a sports back. Driving the Ferrari I had always the feeling to drive ambitiously fast and sporty. I never relaxed in a Ferrari. I never used the car for long weekend trip or even for vacations.
Finally, I owned the Vantage 120.000km and have driven the Vanquish almost 70.000km, and here it comes, I never faced a single problem with defects till now. It's remarkable... Only my first car, a VW Golf had a similar reliability but this is almost 30 years ago.
v8maniac said:
I have driven a Ferrari 612 Scaglietti and F430 Coupe. I then changed to Vantage V12 and lately bought a 2016 Vanquish.
I will never forget when I got the 612, I was really excited but looking back it was more a driving a Ferrari feeling then the car itself. I used the 612 as a daily driver but wasn't that much convinced because of a bunch of painful problems (electronic and quality issues) took the car more often into the repair shop than on the road. The F430 was much better, very sporty and largely reliable. I loved the 430 even if I did not use it as a daily driver. Unfortunately my wife did not like Ferrari, she never enjoyed driving with the car for a couple of reasons.
After a lengthy debate I took a Vantage V12 and felt in love from the beginning. The engine was smooth and responsive and the car was very fast and rock solid in terms of driving dynamics. I live in Germany and as you know, we have no general speed limit on motorways. If you like, you can go as fast as you want.
Changing from Ferrari to the Vantage was quite a difference. The 430 is much stiffer and has slightly better brakes but is not generally better in terms of accelerating and dynamics. Let's say it's different. But interior of the Vantage is by far better. Leather quality, haptic, look and feel and the love for details is not comparable with Ferrari.
After our twins were born I took a Vanquish with two child seats in the back and even though a foldable buggy in the trunk (no problem at all). Meanwhile I love the Vanquish because of its possibilities. You can go fast and sporty or slow down and cruise. You can have vacation with two luggages and a sports back. Driving the Ferrari I had always the feeling to drive ambitiously fast and sporty. I never relaxed in a Ferrari. I never used the car for long weekend trip or even for vacations.
Finally, I owned the Vantage 120.000km and have driven the Vanquish almost 70.000km, and here it comes, I never faced a single problem with defects till now. It's remarkable... Only my first car, a VW Golf had a similar reliability but this is almost 30 years ago.
A great description of how I found the difference between Ferrari and Aston Martin and how I went from Vantage to VanquishI will never forget when I got the 612, I was really excited but looking back it was more a driving a Ferrari feeling then the car itself. I used the 612 as a daily driver but wasn't that much convinced because of a bunch of painful problems (electronic and quality issues) took the car more often into the repair shop than on the road. The F430 was much better, very sporty and largely reliable. I loved the 430 even if I did not use it as a daily driver. Unfortunately my wife did not like Ferrari, she never enjoyed driving with the car for a couple of reasons.
After a lengthy debate I took a Vantage V12 and felt in love from the beginning. The engine was smooth and responsive and the car was very fast and rock solid in terms of driving dynamics. I live in Germany and as you know, we have no general speed limit on motorways. If you like, you can go as fast as you want.
Changing from Ferrari to the Vantage was quite a difference. The 430 is much stiffer and has slightly better brakes but is not generally better in terms of accelerating and dynamics. Let's say it's different. But interior of the Vantage is by far better. Leather quality, haptic, look and feel and the love for details is not comparable with Ferrari.
After our twins were born I took a Vanquish with two child seats in the back and even though a foldable buggy in the trunk (no problem at all). Meanwhile I love the Vanquish because of its possibilities. You can go fast and sporty or slow down and cruise. You can have vacation with two luggages and a sports back. Driving the Ferrari I had always the feeling to drive ambitiously fast and sporty. I never relaxed in a Ferrari. I never used the car for long weekend trip or even for vacations.
Finally, I owned the Vantage 120.000km and have driven the Vanquish almost 70.000km, and here it comes, I never faced a single problem with defects till now. It's remarkable... Only my first car, a VW Golf had a similar reliability but this is almost 30 years ago.
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