Do AML now have a surprise rival for the Valkyrie?
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djmac56 said:
This is a surprise rival for many cars! I think it’s a better looking Supercar than virtually everything else. Absolutely stunning design.
They've nailed it. Am quite looking forward to the cheap lease deals (Something like 2600 months initial + 47 months at £750 p/m). Tasty.
Praise to Lotus for this (IF they deliver it... until there’s a prototype, it’s just hot air) but it’s nothing like the Valkyrie besides a four figure horsepower and some of the airflow goes through the body.
I think a lot of people don’t appreciate how monstrously complex Valkyrie is, as a packaging exercise alone it is preposterous, it’s only just started running last weekend, when it starts whipping round circuits I think we’ll really gain some appreciation for what the thing can do.
1600kg of batteries and motors it is not.
I think a lot of people don’t appreciate how monstrously complex Valkyrie is, as a packaging exercise alone it is preposterous, it’s only just started running last weekend, when it starts whipping round circuits I think we’ll really gain some appreciation for what the thing can do.
1600kg of batteries and motors it is not.
Valkyrie are all sold out aren't they? So don't think they would now care about any rivals...
Plus its an EV, and at the 'petrol money doesn't really matter' end of the scale, a proper engine will likely be more desirable, regardless of stats.
Plus its an EV, and at the 'petrol money doesn't really matter' end of the scale, a proper engine will likely be more desirable, regardless of stats.
Edited by hyphen on Wednesday 17th July 23:18
I don't believe the world will appreciate what the Valkyrie is until some lap times are posted. I appreciate that it's not the truest test of a road car, but as a yard stick for performance, it's the fairest way of judging who's built a good car vs who's built simply an expensive one. It'll be quick in a way nobody's seen in a road car before, and probably quite a task to drive quickly - but that's how it should be IMO, modern cars have too many safety nets and driver aids.
The Lotus has some nice touches on it, but it sits in that zone of the automotive spectrum filled with things like the Rimmac Concept 2, a car that nobody's saying is a rival for the Valkyrie.
Until now it had been assumed the Valkyrie would face off against the AMG Project One. That's still the case, but while the Valkyrie hits each milestone on the project, the same cant be said for AMG - for all the dick waving associated with putting a relatively current F1 engine in a road car, it's not the easiest way of doing it, and while it might make more power than the Aston, as time passes, I sense that purists, and those with a love of cars, are more in tune with a naturally aspirated V12 than a 1.6 litre V6 with a single turbo. No doubt the AMG will be spectacular as a road car, but it doesn't grab one by the genitals in the way the Aston does. Being able to afford neither almost makes it easier to stand back and just admire them as cars and as engineering achievements.
The hybrid tech in each car is mighty impressive, but the Valkyrie has something more elemental about it, which makes it that bit more special IMO, all while sounding rather splendid, and being brisk on track.
The Lotus has some nice touches on it, but it sits in that zone of the automotive spectrum filled with things like the Rimmac Concept 2, a car that nobody's saying is a rival for the Valkyrie.
Until now it had been assumed the Valkyrie would face off against the AMG Project One. That's still the case, but while the Valkyrie hits each milestone on the project, the same cant be said for AMG - for all the dick waving associated with putting a relatively current F1 engine in a road car, it's not the easiest way of doing it, and while it might make more power than the Aston, as time passes, I sense that purists, and those with a love of cars, are more in tune with a naturally aspirated V12 than a 1.6 litre V6 with a single turbo. No doubt the AMG will be spectacular as a road car, but it doesn't grab one by the genitals in the way the Aston does. Being able to afford neither almost makes it easier to stand back and just admire them as cars and as engineering achievements.
The hybrid tech in each car is mighty impressive, but the Valkyrie has something more elemental about it, which makes it that bit more special IMO, all while sounding rather splendid, and being brisk on track.
djmac56 said:
This is a surprise rival for many cars! I think it’s a better looking Supercar than virtually everything else. Absolutely stunning design.
Completely agree. It's a stunning design from every angle, even the better half said how gorgeous it was during the Carfection live stream. The Valk will trample everything in its path given its low weight and wonderful V12 but Lotus are really showing us that EV's can be pretty epic too.The word on the Grapevine is that the Project One has been/is close to being shelved
I would not be surprised to see this Lotus go the same way.
The bottom is falling out of the super/hypercar market and these projects are loss making for the manufacturers (including I believe the Valkyrie). So there’s going to be a real test here of the depth of Geely’s pockets
I would not be surprised to see this Lotus go the same way.
The bottom is falling out of the super/hypercar market and these projects are loss making for the manufacturers (including I believe the Valkyrie). So there’s going to be a real test here of the depth of Geely’s pockets
RobDown said:
The word on the Grapevine is that the Project One has been/is close to being shelved
I would not be surprised to see this Lotus go the same way.
The bottom is falling out of the super/hypercar market and these projects are loss making for the manufacturers (including I believe the Valkyrie). So there’s going to be a real test here of the depth of Geely’s pockets
I think the Lotus looks fabulous and a great review as always by Henry Catchpole, but agree with the above.I would not be surprised to see this Lotus go the same way.
The bottom is falling out of the super/hypercar market and these projects are loss making for the manufacturers (including I believe the Valkyrie). So there’s going to be a real test here of the depth of Geely’s pockets
I think the over inflated super/hypercar market is failing away and will continue for a while.
Some of the prices of cars I see for sale (including a previous one of mine) was absurd.
RobDown said:
The word on the Grapevine is that the Project One has been/is close to being shelved
I would not be surprised to see this Lotus go the same way.
The bottom is falling out of the super/hypercar market and these projects are loss making for the manufacturers (including I believe the Valkyrie). So there’s going to be a real test here of the depth of Geely’s pockets
True, projects like this aren't usually about turning a profit, they are about brand building and selling more of the "volume" models. It's a similar idea to going racing, it makes the marque more desirable. However as the market for hypercars becomes more congested each one released gets less space in the headlines, and draws less attention, so is less valuable.I would not be surprised to see this Lotus go the same way.
The bottom is falling out of the super/hypercar market and these projects are loss making for the manufacturers (including I believe the Valkyrie). So there’s going to be a real test here of the depth of Geely’s pockets
When it was released the Enzo was a huge deal and was talked about everywhere for a long time. The LaFerrari by comparison was still a big deal, but was fighting for attention alongside hypercars from Porsche, McLaren, Koenigsseg and Bugatti. Now Lotus, Aston and AMG are throwing themselves into that fight, I just don't know how valuable it will be as a marketing exercise.
Jon39 said:
That is the best looking super/hyper car I have ever seen, if they could body a V8 or V6 in that and somehow get the price around £100k I would snap their fingers off for one. The proportions are stunning, it is a childhood fantasy come to life, the designers should win all the awards, even ones completely unrelated to to car design! RobDown said:
Sorry the answer is still No
And if you fancy spending £2m on an electric Lotus in a rapidly softening car market then I have some magic beans to sell to you
Its a rapid softening ice engined market and its because electric is the future and coming in fast. I was seriously thinking of getting rid of my 6ltr V12 Aston quick ( you won't be able to give them away in a few years. You can come up with all the arguments to the contrary but you will only be fooling yourself) until I got a grip and thought, no i'll just enjoy it to the full which was the reason I bought it and as long as I can put petrol in it. Then I won't be able to give it away either but I don't care!And if you fancy spending £2m on an electric Lotus in a rapidly softening car market then I have some magic beans to sell to you
Graze01 said:
RobDown said:
Wise words
Petrol is still going to be on sale for decades to come. So make the most of these cars!
RobPetrol is still going to be on sale for decades to come. So make the most of these cars!
I'm 100% with you
just hope we can enjoy them for years to come
Graze
I'm actually a bit more worried about self-driving cars. These now feel properly imminent and, once they come in, how long will it be before the "health and safety" brigade begin lobbying for the most dangerous component of the current set-up (a human driver) to be banned?
RobDown said:
Sorry, in danger of going a bit off-topic but...
I'm actually a bit more worried about self-driving cars. These now feel properly imminent and, once they come in, how long will it be before the "health and safety" brigade begin lobbying for the most dangerous component of the current set-up (a human driver) to be banned?
I'm actually a bit more worried about self-driving cars. These now feel properly imminent and, once they come in, how long will it be before the "health and safety" brigade begin lobbying for the most dangerous component of the current set-up (a human driver) to be banned?
It is my topic, so quite happy for you to stray from the subject Rob. I only posted the original, because I thought the design appearance was good, although I was reminded of a that fleet of Lotus concept cars, none of which ever reached production.
There are some aspects of self driving cars which puzzle me. Here is one.
Picture a Devon rural lane. Single track width, with high earth banks on either side. Two oncoming self driving cars meet and stop. Which of the automated cars will decide to reverse? Does the information screen just turn blue, with a system freeze, or perhaps do they both reverse, and then both drive forwards until they meet once more.
How will the software deal with that?
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