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Hi
Been preparing a road trip for a group of friends. Driving my V8s and joined by a set of porkers, a California and a M4, should be fun!
Stops down the route are more or less set and now fine-tuning the route to ensure I cover the better roads along the route - would appreciate if some of you euro trip aficionados could have a quick glimpse to avoid any rookie mistakes or missing out some of some good bits of road. Any other advise or suggestion of course welcome!
Trip Basics
Day 1 NL to Baden Baden and south of Black Forest
Day 2 Black Forest Lago d'Orta via Susten and Furka
Day 3 Lago d'Orta - Moustiers
Day 4 Moustiers to Dijon
Day 5 Dijon back to the Netherlands via old Reims circuit
https://www.google.com/maps/d/embed?mid=1tL6BXyZwE...
Thanks for taking the time to review and suggestions to make this an even better trip!
Best
JB
Been preparing a road trip for a group of friends. Driving my V8s and joined by a set of porkers, a California and a M4, should be fun!
Stops down the route are more or less set and now fine-tuning the route to ensure I cover the better roads along the route - would appreciate if some of you euro trip aficionados could have a quick glimpse to avoid any rookie mistakes or missing out some of some good bits of road. Any other advise or suggestion of course welcome!
Trip Basics
Day 1 NL to Baden Baden and south of Black Forest
Day 2 Black Forest Lago d'Orta via Susten and Furka
Day 3 Lago d'Orta - Moustiers
Day 4 Moustiers to Dijon
Day 5 Dijon back to the Netherlands via old Reims circuit
https://www.google.com/maps/d/embed?mid=1tL6BXyZwE...
Thanks for taking the time to review and suggestions to make this an even better trip!
Best
JB
Hi JB,
This looks fantastic! I can think of tons of places to propose around your current trip, but the one i would definitely suggest since you'll be around, is the route from Monaco to St Tropez but using the coastal back roads.
Don't know when you're planning to do it, so might need to consider summer traffic etc.
This looks fantastic! I can think of tons of places to propose around your current trip, but the one i would definitely suggest since you'll be around, is the route from Monaco to St Tropez but using the coastal back roads.
Don't know when you're planning to do it, so might need to consider summer traffic etc.
Damianos said:
Hi JB,
This looks fantastic! I can think of tons of places to propose around your current trip, but the one i would definitely suggest since you'll be around, is the route from Monaco to St Tropez but using the coastal back roads.
Don't know when you're planning to do it, so might need to consider summer traffic etc.
Thanks for the suggestion, will amend accordingly! Trip is end of September so hopefully not too bad traffic-wise. This looks fantastic! I can think of tons of places to propose around your current trip, but the one i would definitely suggest since you'll be around, is the route from Monaco to St Tropez but using the coastal back roads.
Don't know when you're planning to do it, so might need to consider summer traffic etc.
F355GTS said:
Looks fantastic, for info the B500 Black Forest route is now 70km limit for most of it's length, sadly ruining it 
Where are you staying in Orta, one of my favourite places on the planet!
We've booked San Rocco. dont know the place but a mate of mine suggested it.Where are you staying in Orta, one of my favourite places on the planet!
Only responsible driving obviously, might find some spots to let our hair down ;-)
JB65 said:
F355GTS said:
Looks fantastic, for info the B500 Black Forest route is now 70km limit for most of it's length, sadly ruining it
Where are you staying in Orta, one of my favourite places on the planet!
We've booked San Rocco. dont know the place but a mate of mine suggested it.Where are you staying in Orta, one of my favourite places on the planet!
Only responsible driving obviously, might find some spots to let our hair down ;-)
DamnKraut said:
Regularly driving in the Black Forest and agree to what was said above about the B500. OP, let me know if interested in an alternative route and I can dig some suggestion up for you.
Thanks for your reply, it’s our first time there so experience will be good but any options for a better drive through it very much welcome!JB65 said:
Thanks for your reply, it’s our first time there so experience will be good but any options for a better drive through it very much welcome!
No worries, busy weekend this far so couldn't get to it yet. Anyway, here goes...I understand that your overnight stays are in Baden Baden and in Höchenschwand, leaving you with pretty much a whole day to cross the Black Forest north to south.
I am from the Southern part so therefore personally am not too interested in the Northern part to be honest. Your route along B500 looks good until shortly after Furtwangen, where my below map picks up.
As to the road before Furtwangen, worthwhile stops are Mummelsee/ Hornisgrinde directly located next to the B500 and Triberg water falls.
Here's my map for the latter part detour:
https://goo.gl/maps/ztHWycPwRmEtkFR57
Where my map diverges is at Thurner, where you leave B500 (at 47°58'21.3"N 8°07'31.7"E) by turning right towards St. Märgen, then continuing on to St. Peter. After St. Peter go downhill towards Glottertal but turn right for Kandel (at 48°01'41.6"N 8°01'32.8"E) for the first mountain road bit.
After Kandel (which is at 48°03'57.0"N 8°00'57.7"E), head down the other side of the mountain (road is utter crap there, luckily only for about 10 mins and a few km). Once down from the mountain, head towards B294 close to Waldkirch and head south on that A road towards Freiburg.
Cross Freiburg and head towards the southern suburb of Günterstal, aiming for Schauinsland mountain. The road from Freiburg to Schauinsland starts at 47°56'24.5"N 7°52'05.4"E and is an old hillclimb race course often crowded with bikers. Luckily it's closed to bikers on weekends. It's an amazing piece of road leading you from about 300m to 1300m above sea level.
After Schauinsland hilltop, you head off the main road through a little hamlet called Stohren by turning right here: 47°54'04.1"N 7°53'12.2"E and then left here: 47°54'01.2"N 7°52'07.1"E
Now comes a narrow downhill section to the following cross roads, where you turn left: 47°53'01.4"N 7°50'44.9"E
The aim of that detour is to set you up for the drive to Belchen, another mountain. Follow the road (less well maintained than Schauinsland road and currently has a few short construction sites with traffic lights) until Hotel Wiedener Eck (47°50'41.4"N 7°52'00.9"E) and at that location go straight rather than turn left with the main road. You're then on the road to Belchen, another nice twisty bit. Pass the mountain top parking space and follow the road downhill towards the village of Aitern.
At the end of the road, after Aitern, you turn left onto B317 here: 47°47'53.0"N 7°54'20.9"E
Now go for a few miles northbound on B317 until you come to the cross roads towards Präg here: 47°48'14.5"N 7°56'04.5"E
Präg offers two fantastic roads out of the valley in which it sits, your choice at this cross roads: 47°47'13.0"N 7°57'54.3"E
Go left for a road that goes through the northern part of the valley and then climbs or go right for a steeper climb with two nice hairpins.
I prefer the former as the flowing bends in the valley are nice to blast through, especially with V8 sound echoing from the rocks to your left.
Choose either one to set you up for your final leg to Höchenschwand.
Btw, the above detour after Furtwangen is about 150km and 3hrs drive.
Schauinsland, Belchen and Präg is my Sunday morning 8am blast when at home visiting my parents. Be mindful that it can be very crowded in the afternoons, especiallz Schauinsland.
Any further questions, let me know.
DamnKraut said:
No worries, busy weekend this far so couldn't get to it yet. Anyway, here goes...
I understand that your overnight stays are in Baden Baden and in Höchenschwand, leaving you with pretty much a whole day to cross the Black Forest north to south.
I am from the Southern part so therefore personally am not too interested in the Northern part to be honest. Your route along B500 looks good until shortly after Furtwangen, where my below map picks up.
As to the road before Furtwangen, worthwhile stops are Mummelsee/ Hornisgrinde directly located next to the B500 and Triberg water falls.
Here's my map for the latter part detour:
https://goo.gl/maps/ztHWycPwRmEtkFR57
Where my map diverges is at Thurner, where you leave B500 (at 47°58'21.3"N 8°07'31.7"E) by turning right towards St. Märgen, then continuing on to St. Peter. After St. Peter go downhill towards Glottertal but turn right for Kandel (at 48°01'41.6"N 8°01'32.8"E) for the first mountain road bit.
After Kandel (which is at 48°03'57.0"N 8°00'57.7"E), head down the other side of the mountain (road is utter crap there, luckily only for about 10 mins and a few km). Once down from the mountain, head towards B294 close to Waldkirch and head south on that A road towards Freiburg.
Cross Freiburg and head towards the southern suburb of Günterstal, aiming for Schauinsland mountain. The road from Freiburg to Schauinsland starts at 47°56'24.5"N 7°52'05.4"E and is an old hillclimb race course often crowded with bikers. Luckily it's closed to bikers on weekends. It's an amazing piece of road leading you from about 300m to 1300m above sea level.
After Schauinsland hilltop, you head off the main road through a little hamlet called Stohren by turning right here: 47°54'04.1"N 7°53'12.2"E and then left here: 47°54'01.2"N 7°52'07.1"E
Now comes a narrow downhill section to the following cross roads, where you turn left: 47°53'01.4"N 7°50'44.9"E
The aim of that detour is to set you up for the drive to Belchen, another mountain. Follow the road (less well maintained than Schauinsland road and currently has a few short construction sites with traffic lights) until Hotel Wiedener Eck (47°50'41.4"N 7°52'00.9"E) and at that location go straight rather than turn left with the main road. You're then on the road to Belchen, another nice twisty bit. Pass the mountain top parking space and follow the road downhill towards the village of Aitern.
At the end of the road, after Aitern, you turn left onto B317 here: 47°47'53.0"N 7°54'20.9"E
Now go for a few miles northbound on B317 until you come to the cross roads towards Präg here: 47°48'14.5"N 7°56'04.5"E
Präg offers two fantastic roads out of the valley in which it sits, your choice at this cross roads: 47°47'13.0"N 7°57'54.3"E
Go left for a road that goes through the northern part of the valley and then climbs or go right for a steeper climb with two nice hairpins.
I prefer the former as the flowing bends in the valley are nice to blast through, especially with V8 sound echoing from the rocks to your left.
Choose either one to set you up for your final leg to Höchenschwand.
Btw, the above detour after Furtwangen is about 150km and 3hrs drive.
Schauinsland, Belchen and Präg is my Sunday morning 8am blast when at home visiting my parents. Be mindful that it can be very crowded in the afternoons, especiallz Schauinsland.
Any further questions, let me know.
Saving this for next year, thank you!!I understand that your overnight stays are in Baden Baden and in Höchenschwand, leaving you with pretty much a whole day to cross the Black Forest north to south.
I am from the Southern part so therefore personally am not too interested in the Northern part to be honest. Your route along B500 looks good until shortly after Furtwangen, where my below map picks up.
As to the road before Furtwangen, worthwhile stops are Mummelsee/ Hornisgrinde directly located next to the B500 and Triberg water falls.
Here's my map for the latter part detour:
https://goo.gl/maps/ztHWycPwRmEtkFR57
Where my map diverges is at Thurner, where you leave B500 (at 47°58'21.3"N 8°07'31.7"E) by turning right towards St. Märgen, then continuing on to St. Peter. After St. Peter go downhill towards Glottertal but turn right for Kandel (at 48°01'41.6"N 8°01'32.8"E) for the first mountain road bit.
After Kandel (which is at 48°03'57.0"N 8°00'57.7"E), head down the other side of the mountain (road is utter crap there, luckily only for about 10 mins and a few km). Once down from the mountain, head towards B294 close to Waldkirch and head south on that A road towards Freiburg.
Cross Freiburg and head towards the southern suburb of Günterstal, aiming for Schauinsland mountain. The road from Freiburg to Schauinsland starts at 47°56'24.5"N 7°52'05.4"E and is an old hillclimb race course often crowded with bikers. Luckily it's closed to bikers on weekends. It's an amazing piece of road leading you from about 300m to 1300m above sea level.
After Schauinsland hilltop, you head off the main road through a little hamlet called Stohren by turning right here: 47°54'04.1"N 7°53'12.2"E and then left here: 47°54'01.2"N 7°52'07.1"E
Now comes a narrow downhill section to the following cross roads, where you turn left: 47°53'01.4"N 7°50'44.9"E
The aim of that detour is to set you up for the drive to Belchen, another mountain. Follow the road (less well maintained than Schauinsland road and currently has a few short construction sites with traffic lights) until Hotel Wiedener Eck (47°50'41.4"N 7°52'00.9"E) and at that location go straight rather than turn left with the main road. You're then on the road to Belchen, another nice twisty bit. Pass the mountain top parking space and follow the road downhill towards the village of Aitern.
At the end of the road, after Aitern, you turn left onto B317 here: 47°47'53.0"N 7°54'20.9"E
Now go for a few miles northbound on B317 until you come to the cross roads towards Präg here: 47°48'14.5"N 7°56'04.5"E
Präg offers two fantastic roads out of the valley in which it sits, your choice at this cross roads: 47°47'13.0"N 7°57'54.3"E
Go left for a road that goes through the northern part of the valley and then climbs or go right for a steeper climb with two nice hairpins.
I prefer the former as the flowing bends in the valley are nice to blast through, especially with V8 sound echoing from the rocks to your left.
Choose either one to set you up for your final leg to Höchenschwand.
Btw, the above detour after Furtwangen is about 150km and 3hrs drive.
Schauinsland, Belchen and Präg is my Sunday morning 8am blast when at home visiting my parents. Be mindful that it can be very crowded in the afternoons, especiallz Schauinsland.
Any further questions, let me know.
Forgot one thing:
Assuming you start from Höchenschwand on day 2, you could go south via the Albtal, a narrow valley road along a small river with some twisties carved into the rock. It's a B road named L154.
https://goo.gl/maps/AahbhXb2sPpEEboq7
Its best part would have started from here: 47°37'20.8"N 8°05'21.2"E but unforunately has been closed for a while now due to rock slides. Therefore would need to leave L154 here 47°37'33.0"N 8°05'38.2"E by turning left and heading east towards Dogern where you'd link with the route you originally plotted.
It's about 30 to 40 mins detour. If you have the time to spare it may make sense, if you haven't and need to hurry towards CH then I wouldn't take the Albtal road.
Assuming you start from Höchenschwand on day 2, you could go south via the Albtal, a narrow valley road along a small river with some twisties carved into the rock. It's a B road named L154.
https://goo.gl/maps/AahbhXb2sPpEEboq7
Its best part would have started from here: 47°37'20.8"N 8°05'21.2"E but unforunately has been closed for a while now due to rock slides. Therefore would need to leave L154 here 47°37'33.0"N 8°05'38.2"E by turning left and heading east towards Dogern where you'd link with the route you originally plotted.
It's about 30 to 40 mins detour. If you have the time to spare it may make sense, if you haven't and need to hurry towards CH then I wouldn't take the Albtal road.
DamnKraut said:
No worries, busy weekend this far so couldn't get to it yet. Anyway, here goes...
I understand that your overnight stays are in Baden Baden and in Höchenschwand, leaving you with pretty much a whole day to cross the Black Forest north to south.
I am from the Southern part so therefore personally am not too interested in the Northern part to be honest. Your route along B500 looks good until shortly after Furtwangen, where my below map picks up.
As to the road before Furtwangen, worthwhile stops are Mummelsee/ Hornisgrinde directly located next to the B500 and Triberg water falls.
Here's my map for the latter part detour:
https://goo.gl/maps/ztHWycPwRmEtkFR57
Where my map diverges is at Thurner, where you leave B500 (at 47°58'21.3"N 8°07'31.7"E) by turning right towards St. Märgen, then continuing on to St. Peter. After St. Peter go downhill towards Glottertal but turn right for Kandel (at 48°01'41.6"N 8°01'32.8"E) for the first mountain road bit.
After Kandel (which is at 48°03'57.0"N 8°00'57.7"E), head down the other side of the mountain (road is utter crap there, luckily only for about 10 mins and a few km). Once down from the mountain, head towards B294 close to Waldkirch and head south on that A road towards Freiburg.
Cross Freiburg and head towards the southern suburb of Günterstal, aiming for Schauinsland mountain. The road from Freiburg to Schauinsland starts at 47°56'24.5"N 7°52'05.4"E and is an old hillclimb race course often crowded with bikers. Luckily it's closed to bikers on weekends. It's an amazing piece of road leading you from about 300m to 1300m above sea level.
After Schauinsland hilltop, you head off the main road through a little hamlet called Stohren by turning right here: 47°54'04.1"N 7°53'12.2"E and then left here: 47°54'01.2"N 7°52'07.1"E
Now comes a narrow downhill section to the following cross roads, where you turn left: 47°53'01.4"N 7°50'44.9"E
The aim of that detour is to set you up for the drive to Belchen, another mountain. Follow the road (less well maintained than Schauinsland road and currently has a few short construction sites with traffic lights) until Hotel Wiedener Eck (47°50'41.4"N 7°52'00.9"E) and at that location go straight rather than turn left with the main road. You're then on the road to Belchen, another nice twisty bit. Pass the mountain top parking space and follow the road downhill towards the village of Aitern.
At the end of the road, after Aitern, you turn left onto B317 here: 47°47'53.0"N 7°54'20.9"E
Now go for a few miles northbound on B317 until you come to the cross roads towards Präg here: 47°48'14.5"N 7°56'04.5"E
Präg offers two fantastic roads out of the valley in which it sits, your choice at this cross roads: 47°47'13.0"N 7°57'54.3"E
Go left for a road that goes through the northern part of the valley and then climbs or go right for a steeper climb with two nice hairpins.
I prefer the former as the flowing bends in the valley are nice to blast through, especially with V8 sound echoing from the rocks to your left.
Choose either one to set you up for your final leg to Höchenschwand.
Btw, the above detour after Furtwangen is about 150km and 3hrs drive.
Schauinsland, Belchen and Präg is my Sunday morning 8am blast when at home visiting my parents. Be mindful that it can be very crowded in the afternoons, especiallz Schauinsland.
Any further questions, let me know.
Brilliant, thanks. Adjusted the trip accordingly. Departing from NL in the morning but am sure the detour will be very much appreciated!I understand that your overnight stays are in Baden Baden and in Höchenschwand, leaving you with pretty much a whole day to cross the Black Forest north to south.
I am from the Southern part so therefore personally am not too interested in the Northern part to be honest. Your route along B500 looks good until shortly after Furtwangen, where my below map picks up.
As to the road before Furtwangen, worthwhile stops are Mummelsee/ Hornisgrinde directly located next to the B500 and Triberg water falls.
Here's my map for the latter part detour:
https://goo.gl/maps/ztHWycPwRmEtkFR57
Where my map diverges is at Thurner, where you leave B500 (at 47°58'21.3"N 8°07'31.7"E) by turning right towards St. Märgen, then continuing on to St. Peter. After St. Peter go downhill towards Glottertal but turn right for Kandel (at 48°01'41.6"N 8°01'32.8"E) for the first mountain road bit.
After Kandel (which is at 48°03'57.0"N 8°00'57.7"E), head down the other side of the mountain (road is utter crap there, luckily only for about 10 mins and a few km). Once down from the mountain, head towards B294 close to Waldkirch and head south on that A road towards Freiburg.
Cross Freiburg and head towards the southern suburb of Günterstal, aiming for Schauinsland mountain. The road from Freiburg to Schauinsland starts at 47°56'24.5"N 7°52'05.4"E and is an old hillclimb race course often crowded with bikers. Luckily it's closed to bikers on weekends. It's an amazing piece of road leading you from about 300m to 1300m above sea level.
After Schauinsland hilltop, you head off the main road through a little hamlet called Stohren by turning right here: 47°54'04.1"N 7°53'12.2"E and then left here: 47°54'01.2"N 7°52'07.1"E
Now comes a narrow downhill section to the following cross roads, where you turn left: 47°53'01.4"N 7°50'44.9"E
The aim of that detour is to set you up for the drive to Belchen, another mountain. Follow the road (less well maintained than Schauinsland road and currently has a few short construction sites with traffic lights) until Hotel Wiedener Eck (47°50'41.4"N 7°52'00.9"E) and at that location go straight rather than turn left with the main road. You're then on the road to Belchen, another nice twisty bit. Pass the mountain top parking space and follow the road downhill towards the village of Aitern.
At the end of the road, after Aitern, you turn left onto B317 here: 47°47'53.0"N 7°54'20.9"E
Now go for a few miles northbound on B317 until you come to the cross roads towards Präg here: 47°48'14.5"N 7°56'04.5"E
Präg offers two fantastic roads out of the valley in which it sits, your choice at this cross roads: 47°47'13.0"N 7°57'54.3"E
Go left for a road that goes through the northern part of the valley and then climbs or go right for a steeper climb with two nice hairpins.
I prefer the former as the flowing bends in the valley are nice to blast through, especially with V8 sound echoing from the rocks to your left.
Choose either one to set you up for your final leg to Höchenschwand.
Btw, the above detour after Furtwangen is about 150km and 3hrs drive.
Schauinsland, Belchen and Präg is my Sunday morning 8am blast when at home visiting my parents. Be mindful that it can be very crowded in the afternoons, especiallz Schauinsland.
Any further questions, let me know.
With the 70 limits now in place, are cameras littered all over the B500 or will we still be able to stretch it a bit when needed ;-).
DamnKraut said:
Forgot one thing:
Assuming you start from Höchenschwand on day 2, you could go south via the Albtal, a narrow valley road along a small river with some twisties carved into the rock. It's a B road named L154.
https://goo.gl/maps/AahbhXb2sPpEEboq7
Its best part would have started from here: 47°37'20.8"N 8°05'21.2"E but unforunately has been closed for a while now due to rock slides. Therefore would need to leave L154 here 47°37'33.0"N 8°05'38.2"E by turning left and heading east towards Dogern where you'd link with the route you originally plotted.
It's about 30 to 40 mins detour. If you have the time to spare it may make sense, if you haven't and need to hurry towards CH then I wouldn't take the Albtal road.
thanks a lot, adjusted day 2 now. Not in a hurry and nr of miles on day 2 limitedAssuming you start from Höchenschwand on day 2, you could go south via the Albtal, a narrow valley road along a small river with some twisties carved into the rock. It's a B road named L154.
https://goo.gl/maps/AahbhXb2sPpEEboq7
Its best part would have started from here: 47°37'20.8"N 8°05'21.2"E but unforunately has been closed for a while now due to rock slides. Therefore would need to leave L154 here 47°37'33.0"N 8°05'38.2"E by turning left and heading east towards Dogern where you'd link with the route you originally plotted.
It's about 30 to 40 mins detour. If you have the time to spare it may make sense, if you haven't and need to hurry towards CH then I wouldn't take the Albtal road.
JB65 said:
Brilliant, thanks. Adjusted the trip accordingly. Departing from NL in the morning but am sure the detour will be very much appreciated!
With the 70 limits now in place, are cameras littered all over the B500 or will we still be able to stretch it a bit when needed ;-).
AFAIK they mostly use mobile speed cams outside of city limits, ideally hidden behind crests and corners - so any VW Caddy, Touran, Passat parked next to the road where it shouldn't be could be a mobile cam. With the 70 limits now in place, are cameras littered all over the B500 or will we still be able to stretch it a bit when needed ;-).
I'd say outside city limits it's pretty safe to open the taps if there are bikers going fast as well. Just wouldn't recommend going more than 110 km/h or so in a 70's limit - otherwise could get pricey. 40 km/h excess is where they'd start handing out temporary driving bans. No idea though how they'd want to enforce that for a UK resident.
https://www.bussgeldkatalog.org/geschwindigkeitsue...
Within cities and towns, the newest speed cams look like this:
https://bnn.de/lokales/bretten/was-blitzt-der-blit...
These are pretty clever devices, therefore would advise to stick strictly to speed limits in urban areas. My home town of Freiburg is a tree hugger's paradise with lots of 30 km/h zones even on main roads - best watch out there. Quite often, you'd also see older type speed cams next to traffic lights.
The end of September should be a great time, hardly any holiday people left on the roads then. This time of the year now can be a horror on the passes, but they usually empty out by 6pm in my experience.
That`s a decent fix of passes, Susten, Grimsel, Furka and Gotthard, all in one hit. Your day 2 will be a long stint of driving, 9 or 10 hours minimum, and you`ll always want to stop for a photo or two on those passes!
On the return, and as you`re pulling off near Beaune, if you like the region`s mustard... there is a terrific mustard factory that sells, in my opinion, one of the most fantastic Dijons, Moutarde Aux Noix, along with many others. Check them out at www.fallot.com if you feel the need.
Enjoy the trip, I expect a lavish tale garnished with photos after you return!
That`s a decent fix of passes, Susten, Grimsel, Furka and Gotthard, all in one hit. Your day 2 will be a long stint of driving, 9 or 10 hours minimum, and you`ll always want to stop for a photo or two on those passes!
On the return, and as you`re pulling off near Beaune, if you like the region`s mustard... there is a terrific mustard factory that sells, in my opinion, one of the most fantastic Dijons, Moutarde Aux Noix, along with many others. Check them out at www.fallot.com if you feel the need.
Enjoy the trip, I expect a lavish tale garnished with photos after you return!
Mr.Tremlini said:
The end of September should be a great time, hardly any holiday people left on the roads then. This time of the year now can be a horror on the passes, but they usually empty out by 6pm in my experience.
That`s a decent fix of passes, Susten, Grimsel, Furka and Gotthard, all in one hit. Your day 2 will be a long stint of driving, 9 or 10 hours minimum, and you`ll always want to stop for a photo or two on those passes!
On the return, and as you`re pulling off near Beaune, if you like the region`s mustard... there is a terrific mustard factory that sells, in my opinion, one of the most fantastic Dijons, Moutarde Aux Noix, along with many others. Check them out at www.fallot.com if you feel the need.
Enjoy the trip, I expect a lavish tale garnished with photos after you return!
Thanks for spicing up the return, will certainly try to have a taste! That`s a decent fix of passes, Susten, Grimsel, Furka and Gotthard, all in one hit. Your day 2 will be a long stint of driving, 9 or 10 hours minimum, and you`ll always want to stop for a photo or two on those passes!
On the return, and as you`re pulling off near Beaune, if you like the region`s mustard... there is a terrific mustard factory that sells, in my opinion, one of the most fantastic Dijons, Moutarde Aux Noix, along with many others. Check them out at www.fallot.com if you feel the need.
Enjoy the trip, I expect a lavish tale garnished with photos after you return!
Re day 2, thanks for the steer, had the same concern regarding timing - even more so when adding DamnKrauts earlier suggestion for the start of day 2 that extends the day even further. (now included in the adjusted route below..)
Moreover, need to make sure we leave sufficient time to cater to our other favourite pastime that involves the consumption of local food and alcohol - more often than not followed by burning a few decent Moaito's.
Assuming Susten, Grimsel and Furka are the best of the passes, am considering dropping the stretch along the Vier Waldstattersee and going through the Gottard rather than over it to gain some time.
Your suggestions more than welcome!
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JB65 said:
time to cater to our other favourite pastime that involves the consumption of local food and alcohol
Also very important!!JB65 said:
Assuming Susten, Grimsel and Furka are the best of the passes, am considering dropping the stretch along the Vier Waldstattersee and going through the Gottard rather than over it to gain some time.
Your suggestions more than welcome!
Those passes are well worth the venture, and the Gotthard too. I would say that the Susten is better going in the opposite direction but you can`t have everything, and it`s still a hell of a road. The Grimsel and Furka are most impressive the direction you`ll hit them so all good.Your suggestions more than welcome!
That route down the east of Vierwaldstattersee is also a nice drive, a smooth, scenic cruise that makes you feel fully in Switzerland, and comes before the Gotthard anyway, you don`t hit the tunnel until Goschenen and you`ve turned off for Wassen well prior to then. I think your choices are a good use of tarmac in the most time-efficient manner really, it`s just that it takes time. Maybe pack some sandwiches the morning you set off.
You pass about 20 minutes from where I live, I`d be tempted to come and join you for a few hours...
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