5.9 or 6.0?
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Wilky7

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224 months

Wednesday 18th November 2020
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My apologies if this has been covered before.......why do Aston put 6.0 on the cam cover, isn't the engine in the DB9/V12V/DBS/Virage/Rapide/Vanquish a 5.9 5935cc? Am I missing something?!

baconsarney

12,422 posts

191 months

Wednesday 18th November 2020
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V8V Pete

2,536 posts

156 months

Wednesday 18th November 2020
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Wilky7 said:
why do Aston put 6.0 on the cam cover?!
Because it looks/sounds better.

cayman-black

13,265 posts

246 months

Wednesday 18th November 2020
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Wilky7 said:
Am I missing something?!
Yes 65cc.

AM4884

130 posts

79 months

Wednesday 18th November 2020
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One advantage of rebuilding my engine is that it is now 6035 cc... I sleep better! smile .25mm adds up!

Wilky7

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224 months

Wednesday 18th November 2020
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cayman-black said:
Yes 65cc.
I think you'll find AM are, not me!

8Tech

2,212 posts

228 months

Friday 20th November 2020
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Wilky7 said:
My apologies if this has been covered before.......why do Aston put 6.0 on the cam cover, isn't the engine in the DB9/V12V/DBS/Virage/Rapide/Vanquish a 5.9 5935cc? Am I missing something?!
Because putting 6.0 in badging would be half the price of putting 5.935?

It's probably all about marketing and rounding up rather than down.

BMW (3-Series for example) put 330i, 335i and 340i all on the same 3.0 litre engine and an X5 (for example) has a 3.0 diesel engine in the 30d, 35d 40d and 50d.




Edited by 8Tech on Friday 20th November 19:11

pschlute

733 posts

189 months

Friday 20th November 2020
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Wilky7 said:
cayman-black said:
Yes 65cc.
I think you'll find AM are, not me!
I think you are missing the fact that engine sizes are always rounded up.

I have owned/run 10 cars in my life from various manufacturers and they have all overstated the cc in the model number/name.

Anyone buying a car from your list will know what the cubic capacity is





Mr.Tremlini

1,555 posts

131 months

Friday 20th November 2020
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V8V Pete said:
Because it looks/sounds better.
Yeah, this I guess. Easier gig for the marketing dept too. It`s only 1% difference from 5935 to 6000. The 4.7 is 4735cc, so a wonder it`s not a 4.8...

Wilky7

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63 posts

224 months

Saturday 21st November 2020
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pschlute said:
I think you are missing the fact that engine sizes are always rounded up.

I have owned/run 10 cars in my life from various manufacturers and they have all overstated the cc in the model number/name.

Anyone buying a car from your list will know what the cubic capacity is



Why is the 4.7 not a 4.8 then? I also own a 205 GTI, 1.9. 1905cc. Maybe only 5cc over but I'm clearly not missing the 'fact' that engine sizes are 'always' rounded up. Mathematically too, rounding up is only when half way or higher in between two values. In my experience, this way is applied in the car world



Edited by Wilky7 on Saturday 21st November 14:02

Wilky7

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Saturday 21st November 2020
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V8V Pete said:
Because it looks/sounds better.
This is undoubtedly the reason. Cheers

baconsarney

12,422 posts

191 months

Saturday 21st November 2020
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Many years ago I had 316i BMW coupe... the engine was 1.9 litre.. (or close to)

Wilky7

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224 months

Saturday 21st November 2020
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baconsarney said:
Many years ago I had 316i BMW coupe... the engine was 1.9 litre.. (or close to)
They started that, if I remember rightly, with the E36 323i. It was a slightly de-tuned 325i for smoothness and BMW didn't want to give it the 325i badge. E46s had loads of these examples, 316i which came as a 1.9 8v then 1.8 16v, 318i 2.0 and since then they've gone completely off. Some 114i are 2.0

Jon39

14,929 posts

173 months

Saturday 21st November 2020
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baconsarney said:
Many years ago I had 316i BMW coupe... the engine was 1.9 litre.. (or close to)

And BMW used to be accurate with this, certainly in the E30 days.

Mercedes must have been to see a shrink with their current AMG C63.
The engine is not 6.3 litres these days, but only 3,982 cc.

C63 sounds better though, so they pretend it is now a model category name.
"Nothing to do with the engine Sir, why did you think it might be?"


Emilio Largo

768 posts

141 months

Saturday 21st November 2020
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Wilky7 said:
Mathematically too, rounding up is only when half way or higher in between two values. In my experience, this way is applied in the car world
That is correct. So the so-called "6.0" V12 is indeed a 5.9 V12 and the 4.7 V8 is, well, a 4.7 V8 smile

macdeb

8,759 posts

285 months

Saturday 21st November 2020
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Depends if you're buying or selling scratchchin

Cold

16,716 posts

120 months

Sunday 22nd November 2020
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The 4.3 is actually a 1.6.

V8V Pete

2,536 posts

156 months

Sunday 22nd November 2020
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Cold said:
The 4.3 is actually a 1.6.
Rude laugh

Nbgring

168 posts

153 months

Sunday 22nd November 2020
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Emilio Largo said:
Wilky7 said:
Mathematically too, rounding up is only when half way or higher in between two values. In my experience, this way is applied in the car world
That is correct. So the so-called "6.0" V12 is indeed a 5.9 V12 and the 4.7 V8 is, well, a 4.7 V8 smile
You are right - but only mathematically wink

In Motorsports the rules are clear: If you are running in a class up to 3.000 ccm, then your engine should have as close to this limit, like 2.998 ccm.
If your engine would have 3.008 ccm - then you would be required to start in the class up to 4.000 ccm.
May be this explains why they don´t use mathematical rounding.

And to be honest: 6.0 sounds much better. If you are talking of a 6.0 V12 engine it is really a very nice coincidence that 6 is exactly half of the cylinder number 12.

Mave

8,217 posts

245 months

Sunday 22nd November 2020
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Jon39 said:

baconsarney said:
Many years ago I had 316i BMW coupe... the engine was 1.9 litre.. (or close to)

And BMW used to be accurate with this, certainly in the E30 days.
Wasn't the original E30 316 actually a 1.8L? smile