AM lightweight 10 spoke wheel colour help
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My V8 has diamond cut 10 spokes on it but unfortunately they’re on their last turn in terms of refurb. They’re not scuffed or damaged in any way other than the dreaded white worm Which pains me as they where only refurbed for the exact reason a few months back! Not good. P*ssed off!
So what colours have people got these rims in ? I’m looking for some inspiration.
I did speak to lepsons who suggested they may be able to recreate the current look pretty closely using black paint for the recesses as per oem and nickel chrome/chrome paint for the face…
Any pics would be awesome (my v8 is lightning silver)
So what colours have people got these rims in ? I’m looking for some inspiration.
I did speak to lepsons who suggested they may be able to recreate the current look pretty closely using black paint for the recesses as per oem and nickel chrome/chrome paint for the face…
Any pics would be awesome (my v8 is lightning silver)
Edited by Finding Neutral on Wednesday 22 December 11:09
Not so sure a nickel chrome painted surface wouldn't just look a bit odd. I 'd stay either diamond turned with gloss black or whatever other OEM finish was available on those wheels when new. From memory I think it was graphite wasn't it..?
I had the same problem with my diamond turned V12 Zagato wheels. They lasted 2 years each time before the white worm reappeared. Once it shows first signs it seems to escalate quickly too. I think its just unavoidable as the DT finish leaves a sharp edge on the faces so that means the lacquer ends up thin and fragile and more prone to letting water in once the tiniest of cracks/chips appears. So this time I had them refurbed to pure gloss black to put an end to the worming. That said I was limiting myself to the OEM original choices, and the Zags only came in all gloss black or diamond turned and gloss black.
Probably depends on what other external trim you have on your car too. Do you have CF sidestrakes or the black pack window trim etc..? Key to a successful look is correctly coordinating with the rest of the car really.
I had the same problem with my diamond turned V12 Zagato wheels. They lasted 2 years each time before the white worm reappeared. Once it shows first signs it seems to escalate quickly too. I think its just unavoidable as the DT finish leaves a sharp edge on the faces so that means the lacquer ends up thin and fragile and more prone to letting water in once the tiniest of cracks/chips appears. So this time I had them refurbed to pure gloss black to put an end to the worming. That said I was limiting myself to the OEM original choices, and the Zags only came in all gloss black or diamond turned and gloss black.
Probably depends on what other external trim you have on your car too. Do you have CF sidestrakes or the black pack window trim etc..? Key to a successful look is correctly coordinating with the rest of the car really.
AdamV12V said:
Not so sure a nickel chrome painted surface wouldn't just look a bit odd. I 'd stay either diamond turned with gloss black or whatever other OEM finish was available on those wheels when new. From memory I think it was graphite wasn't it..?
I had the same problem with my diamond turned V12 Zagato wheels. They lasted 2 years each time before the white worm reappeared. Once it shows first signs it seems to escalate quickly too. I think its just unavoidable as the DT finish leaves a sharp edge on the faces so that means the lacquer ends up thin and fragile and more prone to letting water in once the tiniest of cracks/chips appears. So this time I had them refurbed to pure gloss black to put an end to the worming. That said I was limiting myself to the OEM original choices, and the Zags only came in all gloss black or diamond turned and gloss black.
Probably depends on what other external trim you have on your car too. Do you have CF sidestrakes or the black pack window trim etc..? Key to a successful look is correctly coordinating with the rest of the car really.
Thanks for the response. Unfortunately as said, the rims cannot be diamond cut again so redoing them is not an option sadly.I had the same problem with my diamond turned V12 Zagato wheels. They lasted 2 years each time before the white worm reappeared. Once it shows first signs it seems to escalate quickly too. I think its just unavoidable as the DT finish leaves a sharp edge on the faces so that means the lacquer ends up thin and fragile and more prone to letting water in once the tiniest of cracks/chips appears. So this time I had them refurbed to pure gloss black to put an end to the worming. That said I was limiting myself to the OEM original choices, and the Zags only came in all gloss black or diamond turned and gloss black.
Probably depends on what other external trim you have on your car too. Do you have CF sidestrakes or the black pack window trim etc..? Key to a successful look is correctly coordinating with the rest of the car really.
My car has carbon strakes and defuser/splitter etc.
Painting/powder coat is my only viable option I believe, I’d be interested to see what colours people have done there’s in.
Finding Neutral said:
Thanks for the response. Unfortunately as said, the rims cannot be diamond cut again so redoing them is not an option sadly.
My car has carbon strakes and defuser/splitter etc.
Painting/powder coat is my only viable option I believe, I’d be interested to see what colours people have done there’s in.
Ahh, yes they can only be DT cut a few times.My car has carbon strakes and defuser/splitter etc.
Painting/powder coat is my only viable option I believe, I’d be interested to see what colours people have done there’s in.
Sounds like your car would look good with dark wheels then, so graphite or satin black, maybe even gloss black.
Finding Neutral said:
My V8 has diamond cut 10 spokes on it but unfortunately they’re on their last turn in terms of refurb. They’re not scuffed or damaged in any way other than the dreaded white worm Which pains me as they where only refurbed for the exact reason a few months back! Not good. P*ssed off!
I have a set of the same wheels which have never been refurbed but are now in desperate need having corroded badly whilst in storage. It's just the usual corrosion on the turned face with no curbing or other damage whatsoever.I know various people say they can be refurbed various numbers of times but how consistent is this and what are they actually measuring and then saying, that's it, no more diamond cutting can be done? Is it the centre or the tyre bead retaining rim or the spoke thickness?
Anyway. Given mine only have surface corrosion and no "damage" surely only the tiniest thickness of metal needs to be removed which would contribute almost nothing to structural loss. I would have thought the same would apply to your wheels too, OP, if they were only done a couple of months ago. Are the refurb company taking any responsibility for their substandard work given it has failed after a few months? Wouldn't mind knowing who they are (perhaps by PM so the thread doesn't get deleted) so I can avoid them.
V8V Pete said:
I have a set of the same wheels which have never been refurbed but are now in desperate need having corroded badly whilst in storage. It's just the usual corrosion on the turned face with no curbing or other damage whatsoever.
I know various people say they can be refurbed various numbers of times but how consistent is this and what are they actually measuring and then saying, that's it, no more diamond cutting can be done? Is it the centre or the tyre bead retaining rim or the spoke thickness?
Anyway. Given mine only have surface corrosion and no "damage" surely only the tiniest thickness of metal needs to be removed which would contribute almost nothing to structural loss. I would have thought the same would apply to your wheels too, OP, if they were only done a couple of months ago. Are the refurb company taking any responsibility for their substandard work given it has failed after a few months? Wouldn't mind knowing who they are (perhaps by PM so the thread doesn't get deleted) so I can avoid them.
You can usually get wheels recut 2 or 3 times before running into problems. The main issue afaik is the rim. The number of times a wheel can be refurbed depends on how much alloy needs to be removed each time to correct the problem (a badly damaged wheel might only be able to be refurbed once).I know various people say they can be refurbed various numbers of times but how consistent is this and what are they actually measuring and then saying, that's it, no more diamond cutting can be done? Is it the centre or the tyre bead retaining rim or the spoke thickness?
Anyway. Given mine only have surface corrosion and no "damage" surely only the tiniest thickness of metal needs to be removed which would contribute almost nothing to structural loss. I would have thought the same would apply to your wheels too, OP, if they were only done a couple of months ago. Are the refurb company taking any responsibility for their substandard work given it has failed after a few months? Wouldn't mind knowing who they are (perhaps by PM so the thread doesn't get deleted) so I can avoid them.
Had the dreaded white-worm on the cut surfaces of the standard ten spoke gloss black wheels on my V12VS. Asked dealer to recut them back in April and their contracted refurb company completely messed it up (looked like their lathe was “blunt”!)
They tried another company - who did a decent cut surface but they managed to create a strange “scratch” effect on the cut surfaces. I was- less than delighted.
Apparently you have to be very careful with temperature changes when baking the finishes - especially with magnesium alloys. Otherwise the crystallising effect happens. This discussion went back to Aston and was confirmed as a possible problem when refinishing these wheels.
As you can imagine I was not very pleased with all this, despite being educated about the basic chemistry of alloys.
Also - they advised that no further cuts could be attempted (some will not take more metal off for structural reasons, bu mostly it is because the raised profile of the cut surfaces become flat and you just cannot get the same shape on the surface cut).
Sorry for going on ... but you did ask
Oh - and since they had “destroyed” the finish on my wheels the dealer cut me a favourable discount on a new set of same (but I went for the painted liquid silver finish... forget diamond cuts... they are just for Xmas!)
They tried another company - who did a decent cut surface but they managed to create a strange “scratch” effect on the cut surfaces. I was- less than delighted.
Apparently you have to be very careful with temperature changes when baking the finishes - especially with magnesium alloys. Otherwise the crystallising effect happens. This discussion went back to Aston and was confirmed as a possible problem when refinishing these wheels.
As you can imagine I was not very pleased with all this, despite being educated about the basic chemistry of alloys.
Also - they advised that no further cuts could be attempted (some will not take more metal off for structural reasons, bu mostly it is because the raised profile of the cut surfaces become flat and you just cannot get the same shape on the surface cut).
Sorry for going on ... but you did ask
Oh - and since they had “destroyed” the finish on my wheels the dealer cut me a favourable discount on a new set of same (but I went for the painted liquid silver finish... forget diamond cuts... they are just for Xmas!)
Edited by barbuckle on Friday 24th December 11:14
Edited by barbuckle on Friday 24th December 11:16
Edited by barbuckle on Friday 24th December 11:36
Edited by barbuckle on Friday 24th December 11:38
barbuckle said:
Had the dreaded white-worm on the cut surfaces of the standard ten spoke gloss black wheels on my V12VS. Asked dealer to recut them back in April and their contracted refurb company completely messed it up (looked like their lathe was “blunt”!)
They tried another company - who did a decent cut surface but they managed to create a strange “scratch” effect on the cut surfaces. I was- less than delighted.
Apparently you have to be very careful with temperature changes when baking the finishes - especially with magnesium alloys. Otherwise the crystallising effect happens. This discussion went back to Aston and was confirmed as a possible problem when refinishing these wheels.
As you can imagine I was not very pleased with all this, despite being educated about the basic chemistry of alloys.
Also - they advised that no further cuts could be attempted (some will not take more metal off for structural reasons, bu mostly it is because the raised profile of the cut surfaces become flat and you just cannot get the same shape on the surface cut).
Sorry for going on ... but you did ask
Oh - and since they had “destroyed” the finish on my wheels the dealer cut me a favourable discount on a new set of same (but I went for the painted liquid silver finish... forget diamond cuts... they are just for Xmas!)
Bang on. Initially mine got done at point of purchase in October by the dealer as they had white worm. However on the drive home from collection the centre caps fell out (initially just the one but ended up being 2/3). It was obvious even to my eye that the refurber had put waaaay too much paint on the centre.They tried another company - who did a decent cut surface but they managed to create a strange “scratch” effect on the cut surfaces. I was- less than delighted.
Apparently you have to be very careful with temperature changes when baking the finishes - especially with magnesium alloys. Otherwise the crystallising effect happens. This discussion went back to Aston and was confirmed as a possible problem when refinishing these wheels.
As you can imagine I was not very pleased with all this, despite being educated about the basic chemistry of alloys.
Also - they advised that no further cuts could be attempted (some will not take more metal off for structural reasons, bu mostly it is because the raised profile of the cut surfaces become flat and you just cannot get the same shape on the surface cut).
Sorry for going on ... but you did ask
Oh - and since they had “destroyed” the finish on my wheels the dealer cut me a favourable discount on a new set of same (but I went for the painted liquid silver finish... forget diamond cuts... they are just for Xmas!)
Edited by barbuckle on Friday 24th December 11:14
Edited by barbuckle on Friday 24th December 11:16
Edited by barbuckle on Friday 24th December 11:36
Edited by barbuckle on Friday 24th December 11:38
Car had to go back to be rectified which isn’t exactly just around the corner. I wasn’t happy with the refurb anyway for many of the reasons you mentioned. Scaring on the metal as they had moved across the face too quickly with the bit. Hadn’t de burred the edges either, but not a lot could be done as they’d cocked it up on its last viable refurb… ffs.
Anyway, finally got the car back. Happy as larry.. within a few days the white worm starts coming through again.
I’ve had a local specialist refurb company look at them who I’ll leave nameless who stated that the work was rushed and poor.
I’m not exactly over the moon
Edited by Finding Neutral on Friday 24th December 12:30
Finding Neutral said:
barbuckle said:
Had the dreaded white-worm on the cut surfaces of the standard ten spoke gloss black wheels on my V12VS. Asked dealer to recut them back in April and their contracted refurb company completely messed it up (looked like their lathe was “blunt”!)
They tried another company - who did a decent cut surface but they managed to create a strange “scratch” effect on the cut surfaces. I was- less than delighted.
Apparently you have to be very careful with temperature changes when baking the finishes - especially with magnesium alloys. Otherwise the crystallising effect happens. This discussion went back to Aston and was confirmed as a possible problem when refinishing these wheels.
As you can imagine I was not very pleased with all this, despite being educated about the basic chemistry of alloys.
Also - they advised that no further cuts could be attempted (some will not take more metal off for structural reasons, bu mostly it is because the raised profile of the cut surfaces become flat and you just cannot get the same shape on the surface cut).
Sorry for going on ... but you did ask
Oh - and since they had “destroyed” the finish on my wheels the dealer cut me a favourable discount on a new set of same (but I went for the painted liquid silver finish... forget diamond cuts... they are just for Xmas!)
Bang on. Initially mine got done at point of purchase in September by the dealer as they had white worm. However on the drive home from collection the centre caps fell out (initially just the one but ended up being 2/3). It was obvious even to my eye that the refurber had put waaaay too much paint on the centre.They tried another company - who did a decent cut surface but they managed to create a strange “scratch” effect on the cut surfaces. I was- less than delighted.
Apparently you have to be very careful with temperature changes when baking the finishes - especially with magnesium alloys. Otherwise the crystallising effect happens. This discussion went back to Aston and was confirmed as a possible problem when refinishing these wheels.
As you can imagine I was not very pleased with all this, despite being educated about the basic chemistry of alloys.
Also - they advised that no further cuts could be attempted (some will not take more metal off for structural reasons, bu mostly it is because the raised profile of the cut surfaces become flat and you just cannot get the same shape on the surface cut).
Sorry for going on ... but you did ask
Oh - and since they had “destroyed” the finish on my wheels the dealer cut me a favourable discount on a new set of same (but I went for the painted liquid silver finish... forget diamond cuts... they are just for Xmas!)
Edited by barbuckle on Friday 24th December 11:14
Edited by barbuckle on Friday 24th December 11:16
Edited by barbuckle on Friday 24th December 11:36
Edited by barbuckle on Friday 24th December 11:38
Car had to go back to be rectified which isn’t exactly just around the corner. I wasn’t happy with the refurb anyway for many of the reasons you mentioned. Scaring on the metal as they had moved across the face too quickly with the bit. Hadn’t de burred the edges either, but not a lot could be done as they’d cocked it up on its last viable refurb… ffs.
Anyway, finally got the car back. Happy as larry.. within a few days the white worm starts coming through again.
I’ve had a local specialist refurb company look at them who I’ll leave nameless who stated that the work was rushed and poor.
I’m not exactly over the moon
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|https://thumbsnap.com/PNaFjrbg[/url][url]V8V Pete said:
Can’t believe the dealer actually put the wheels back on your car looking like this, presumably hoping you’d think that was a good job. WTF?!
Long discussion followed all this … including AM Europe sales “head” allegedly confirming this meets AM timeless standard… truly was hard to swallow. The dealer principal stepped-up with an offer to replace with new. I did wonder why, if that is AM quality finish, why they didn’t offer closer to market price on them as trade-ins! Was tempted to keep them and powder coat but was sick of the whole discussion.
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