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I saw this today in Stamford. Quite the head turner.
https://www.secret-classics.com/en/bae-vantare/
I was quite intrigued to find that Bradley Walsh is behind it.
Finding Neutral said:
Looks like a dogs dinner in photos.
There was one at goodwood the other week and it was a lot better in the metal
Yes. A car with presence. There was one at goodwood the other week and it was a lot better in the metal
Very occasionally, I see a car and am annoyed because it looked great and I didn't clock what it was. This was one such instance.
It looked like a DB5 but modern. There is a reason for that obvs.
leerandle said:
Fair play for him having a go, but I'm not convinced.
It basically a DB9 shell, DB5 looks with a sprinkling of steroids.
Very 'marmitey' at the moment for me.
Wheels and interior notwithstanding I like it.It basically a DB9 shell, DB5 looks with a sprinkling of steroids.
Very 'marmitey' at the moment for me.
Whether I'd spend £275k of my own money on it is quite another matter.
I think it's a brave attempt. I like the side and rear but agree the front looks like a hamster that's had too much breakfast. The angle of view may not be helping. And Bradley Walsh is not my idea of sophisticated. Engine-wise it should have a straight six of course, but there may not be a suitable one.
As for the interior, from what I can find online it's essentially DB9 with Mercedes air vents - which is no bad thing as the Merc vents are nicely made and work better than slatted plastic ones. £275K is not stupid - IF they ever make any and at that price.
The BAE Hamster. Can you run it on sunflower seeds?
As for the interior, from what I can find online it's essentially DB9 with Mercedes air vents - which is no bad thing as the Merc vents are nicely made and work better than slatted plastic ones. £275K is not stupid - IF they ever make any and at that price.
The BAE Hamster. Can you run it on sunflower seeds?
I wonder if they are paying AM some form of license or royaltiy?
I understand there is no legals around what kind of donor car is used for a "kit car" build, but not only does this one use an Aston Martin, it's looks are clearly inspired by one, and it's name is only one letter different from a well known Aston model. If that isn's sufficient reason for an IP lawyer to take them to pieces I don't know what is.
I remember years ago I used to work at a law firm who acted for Pininfarina here in the UK, and they were constantly taking out law suits against kit car companies to prevent them producing cars that resembled cars they had been involved in styling.
I understand there is no legals around what kind of donor car is used for a "kit car" build, but not only does this one use an Aston Martin, it's looks are clearly inspired by one, and it's name is only one letter different from a well known Aston model. If that isn's sufficient reason for an IP lawyer to take them to pieces I don't know what is.
I remember years ago I used to work at a law firm who acted for Pininfarina here in the UK, and they were constantly taking out law suits against kit car companies to prevent them producing cars that resembled cars they had been involved in styling.
Louis Balfour said:
Jon39 said:
Louis Balfour said:
Whether I'd spend £275k ....
Why dose a second hand DB5 cost more ?
No, I suppose not.
One has more demand and is far more desirable that the other.
Simply a question to seek the views of others.
Having seen this in the metal at Goodwood a couple of weeks ago, in my opinion it is no better in reality than in photos. There are several issues, leaving aside the obvious one that copying a previous designers work demonstrates little skill or imagination. As said the wheels are wrong but it's not just the wheels, it's the proportions, everywhere you look something is out of kilter. The side windows (glass house as designers like to call it) are too small making the whole look slab sided. The rear end is too high giving the car a wedge shape that I am sure is not intended. The bulbous front wings are too large giving the nose a distended boggle eyed appearance rather than the sleek faired in look of a DB Aston. I could go on...
I hate to be critical because taste is a personal thing but I really cannot see the point of this. A DB9 is a beautiful thing and a nice DB6 can currently be had at auction for less than the proposed cost of this car. Incidentally, with regard to identity and possible challenges; aside from Aston Martin, I did also wonder what the world’s second largest defence systems supplier might make of the use of their name?
I hate to be critical because taste is a personal thing but I really cannot see the point of this. A DB9 is a beautiful thing and a nice DB6 can currently be had at auction for less than the proposed cost of this car. Incidentally, with regard to identity and possible challenges; aside from Aston Martin, I did also wonder what the world’s second largest defence systems supplier might make of the use of their name?
AdamV12V said:
I wonder if they are paying AM some form of license or royaltiy?
I understand there is no legals around what kind of donor car is used for a "kit car" build, but not only does this one use an Aston Martin, it's looks are clearly inspired by one, and it's name is only one letter different from a well known Aston model. If that isn's sufficient reason for an IP lawyer to take them to pieces I don't know what is.
I remember years ago I used to work at a law firm who acted for Pininfarina here in the UK, and they were constantly taking out law suits against kit car companies to prevent them producing cars that resembled cars they had been involved in styling.
I understand there is no legals around what kind of donor car is used for a "kit car" build, but not only does this one use an Aston Martin, it's looks are clearly inspired by one, and it's name is only one letter different from a well known Aston model. If that isn's sufficient reason for an IP lawyer to take them to pieces I don't know what is.
I remember years ago I used to work at a law firm who acted for Pininfarina here in the UK, and they were constantly taking out law suits against kit car companies to prevent them producing cars that resembled cars they had been involved in styling.
Mr. Marek Reichmann can be Witness One.
Look at the door height, up to the bottom of the window.
Compare that to the window to roof height.
It breaks Marek's favourite Golden Rule, which is the reason why the car looks squashed.
Edited by Jon39 on Wednesday 27th April 12:06
AdamV12V said:
I wonder if they are paying AM some form of license or royaltiy?
I understand there is no legals around what kind of donor car is used for a "kit car" build, but not only does this one use an Aston Martin, it's looks are clearly inspired by one, and it's name is only one letter different from a well known Aston model. If that isn's sufficient reason for an IP lawyer to take them to pieces I don't know what is.
I remember years ago I used to work at a law firm who acted for Pininfarina here in the UK, and they were constantly taking out law suits against kit car companies to prevent them producing cars that resembled cars they had been involved in styling.
Interesting point. I know many car companies like Aston and Rolls-Royce will pursue (and sue) anyone who uses their IP without authorisation and I doubt they would grant this one-man car company any permissions.I understand there is no legals around what kind of donor car is used for a "kit car" build, but not only does this one use an Aston Martin, it's looks are clearly inspired by one, and it's name is only one letter different from a well known Aston model. If that isn's sufficient reason for an IP lawyer to take them to pieces I don't know what is.
I remember years ago I used to work at a law firm who acted for Pininfarina here in the UK, and they were constantly taking out law suits against kit car companies to prevent them producing cars that resembled cars they had been involved in styling.
However, they cannot stop an owner doing whatever they want to their Aston Martin, so if this was offered as a "customisation" service to a DB9 owner with little taste I doubt that there's anything they could or would do.
If this was offered as a finished vehicle for sale then the situation may be different. I'm no expert, but the fact that it was based on and made from DB9 and was therefore an Aston underneath would complicate matters.
If, however, this
LTP said:
Interesting point. I know many car companies like Aston and Rolls-Royce will pursue (and sue) anyone who uses their IP without authorisation and I doubt they would grant this one-man car company any permissions.
However, they cannot stop an owner doing whatever they want to their Aston Martin, so if this was offered as a "customisation" service to a DB9 owner with little taste I doubt that there's anything they could or would do.
If this was offered as a finished vehicle for sale then the situation may be different. I'm no expert, but the fact that it was based on and made from DB9 and was therefore an Aston underneath would complicate matters.
If, however, thisabomination vehicle was made using the running gear from something else and without being originally a DB9 (with a DB9's VIN) I would imagine Aston's legal team would be on the case smartish, as they were with the Envisage Group and with Fisker over the Fisker Force 1
Hmm, yeah maybe you are right, the fact is IS an Aston underneath is critical to prevent a claim that its being made to look like an Aston, even if its a different model....However, they cannot stop an owner doing whatever they want to their Aston Martin, so if this was offered as a "customisation" service to a DB9 owner with little taste I doubt that there's anything they could or would do.
If this was offered as a finished vehicle for sale then the situation may be different. I'm no expert, but the fact that it was based on and made from DB9 and was therefore an Aston underneath would complicate matters.
If, however, this
Thinking back the Pininfarina law suits I saw (the IP lawyer had plans and blueprints up on his office wall, and being a car nerd at the time I used to go in and to chat about them), were usually based on VW Beetles or such like and then kits sold to make them resemble a well known itallian supercar marque often who used Pininfarina's services.... I remember thinking at the time some of them barely looked like the car they were suppose to resemble, yet they still took a strong legal action viewpoint on it.
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