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https://www.itv.com/news/meridian/2023-08-10/aston...
This is my old neck of the woods, I used to use this bit of motorway every day to go to work, taking this very exit...
There but for the grace of….
This is my old neck of the woods, I used to use this bit of motorway every day to go to work, taking this very exit...
There but for the grace of….
t.An aggravating factor will be the persistent undertaking.
"....tailgating an unmarked police car and undertaking several other cars on the M2."
I will agree with the above though the M2/A2 are terrible for this, particularly around J2-J3 where it is 4 lanes circa Rochester. The amount of vehicles hanging around L3 is a joke.
Even in Operation Brock on the M20 London bound we have clowns now sitting in L2 because they don't want to sit in L1, which effectively is the hard shoulder and a wider lane. The behaviour of these clowns in such a tight space at 50mph causes frustration and chaos as effectively no one can overtake, cue significant amounts of undertaking.
"....tailgating an unmarked police car and undertaking several other cars on the M2."
I will agree with the above though the M2/A2 are terrible for this, particularly around J2-J3 where it is 4 lanes circa Rochester. The amount of vehicles hanging around L3 is a joke.
Even in Operation Brock on the M20 London bound we have clowns now sitting in L2 because they don't want to sit in L1, which effectively is the hard shoulder and a wider lane. The behaviour of these clowns in such a tight space at 50mph causes frustration and chaos as effectively no one can overtake, cue significant amounts of undertaking.
Simpo Two said:
The police don't distinguish between makes of car when applying judgement. But had it been a Ford Focus what do we think the chances of local media making a feature of it are? Is it (a) zero, or (b) zero?
Lol. It’s a regular occurrence the police will boast about seizing anything flash that will garner some interest, particularly on twitter. Smacks of jealousy.
Ninja59 said:
An aggravating factor will be the persistent undertaking.
"....tailgating an unmarked police car and undertaking several other cars on the M2."
I will agree with the above though the M2/A2 are terrible for this, particularly around J2-J3 where it is 4 lanes circa Rochester. The amount of vehicles hanging around L3 is a joke.
Even in Operation Brock on the M20 London bound we have clowns now sitting in L2 because they don't want to sit in L1, which effectively is the hard shoulder and a wider lane. The behaviour of these clowns in such a tight space at 50mph causes frustration and chaos as effectively no one can overtake, cue significant amounts of undertaking.
Undertaking should be subject to common sense. You might say 'But the car being undertaken might suddenly pull in'. Indeed, but a car being overtaken might equally well pull out. Like all things on the road, it requires judgement. Furthermore, is the driver that blocks a lane when he could pull over not driving without due care and attention?"....tailgating an unmarked police car and undertaking several other cars on the M2."
I will agree with the above though the M2/A2 are terrible for this, particularly around J2-J3 where it is 4 lanes circa Rochester. The amount of vehicles hanging around L3 is a joke.
Even in Operation Brock on the M20 London bound we have clowns now sitting in L2 because they don't want to sit in L1, which effectively is the hard shoulder and a wider lane. The behaviour of these clowns in such a tight space at 50mph causes frustration and chaos as effectively no one can overtake, cue significant amounts of undertaking.
Simpo Two said:
The police don't distinguish between makes of car when applying judgement. But had it been a Ford Focus what do we think the chances of local media making a feature of it are? Is it (a) zero, or (b) zero?
It's (c) all of the above.When is the last time you ever heard of a driver being charged with blocking the fast lane / impeding the flow of traffic. Not trying to excuse what this person did, just pointing out that such dangerous behaviour (potentially as bad as speeding in the right scenario) is never dealt with. Total double standard.
Simpo Two said:
Do you really get your car seized for tailgating and undertaking? There must be more to it than that.
I suspect you’re correct. Even for speeds well over 100 mph drivers get issued with a notice of intended prosecution, a few stern words and are sent on their way - so I have been told.Reasons for seizure are usually along the lines of unfit through drink or drugs, no road tax, no insurance or driving the car without the owner’s authority.
Simpo Two said:
Undertaking should be subject to common sense. You might say 'But the car being undertaken might suddenly pull in'. Indeed, but a car being overtaken might equally well pull out. Like all things on the road, it requires judgement. Furthermore, is the driver that blocks a lane when he could pull over not driving without due care and attention?
The lane hogger categorically is careless driving, but there is evidence across a number of instances where the police actively choose "the worse offender" and that is the undertaker.LTP said:
Simpo Two said:
Do you really get your car seized for tailgating and undertaking? There must be more to it than that.
I suspect you’re correct. Even for speeds well over 100 mph drivers get issued with a notice of intended prosecution, a few stern words and are sent on their way - so I have been told.Reasons for seizure are usually along the lines of unfit through drink or drugs, no road tax, no insurance or driving the car without the owner’s authority.
geresey said:
I got pulled over once for doing a bit of London driving, using an unused left turn lane to short cut the q and go straight over at a local roundabout, as was late to my sons football practice or something. They took my car details , and said if they caught me doing it again would seize the car… so haven’t done it since! (though have a different car now…)
That appears to be a "Section 59 of the Police Reform Act 2002 Vehicles used in manner causing alarm, distress or annoyance" warning. Under para 4
A constable shall not seize a motor vehicle in the exercise of the powers conferred on him by this section unless —
(a) he has warned the person appearing to him to be the person whose use falls within subsection (1) that he will seize it, if that use continues or is repeated; and
(b) it appears to him that the use has continued or been repeated after the the warning.
So under the act he has to issue a warning to give himself the power to subsequently seize the car
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