Vantage 2019 Seat Motor Problems
Discussion
Hi,
I have had issues with my drivers seat failing to slide back and forward. All other movements work OK. The car is 5 years old now and only 3,500 miles. AM have offered a small goodwill gesture, but the replacement cost of a new seat motor is in excess of £4.3k.
Apparently the dealer tried a seat calibration process, but I am not convinced that the motor is faulty, as I can hear the relay click and very occasionally, the seat will move back / forward after pressing some of the other buttons. The car is kept on a trickle charger at all times and I believe the battery is healthy. It has had a couple of spazzy moments starting sometimes, with warnings of Parking Brake release and sometimes just a click, so not sure if it's something else which may be causing an issue with the driver seat module / motor.
I have a copy of the DTCs below.
Can anyone suggest any home remedies I can try, or take as ideas to my local Aston specialist to try?
Many thanks,
Pete
B25AA14
(J62 OR J67) Motor-Cushion Horizontal Adjust has a malfunction - Short Circuit to Ground or Open Circuit. (DRIVERS SEAT)
Refer to electrical circuit diagrams.
1)Check the circuit for a circuit fault.
2)Check the circuit connectors for loose or corroded terminals. Check the security of the connector latches.
3)Check the component for fault.
Test Failed.
Test Failed This Cycle.
Confirmed DTC.
Test Failed Since Last Clear.
U041500
(B50) Electronic Stability and Park Brake Module (ESP) - No Sub Type Information. Note: Signal Out Of Range.
Note: To Read and Clear DTC's select SPC. DO NOT SELECT EBS.
Test Failed This Cycle.
Confirmed DTC.
Test Failed Since Last Clear.
BIEBB54
(J61.1) Steering Column Adjust-Tilt-Motor (Up / Down Position Limit) Not Learnt - Calibration Required.
Note: Start engine prior to next step. Low battery voltage will prevent calibration.
1)Access Special Apps for the seat module. Run the seat calibration and then adaption procedure using the approved process
2)Clear the DTC. Then retest.
3) If DTCs return. Check for related DTCs (Circuit faults)
Confirmed DTC.
Test Failed Since Last Clear.
Bl DAA54
(J63 OR J68) Motor-Cushion Vertical Adjust (Up / Down Position Limits) Not Learnt - Calibration Required. (DRIVERS Note: Start engine prior to next step. Low battery voltage will prevent calibration.
1)Access Special Apps for the seat module. Run the seat calibration and then adaption procedure using the approved process
2)C'ear the DTC. Then retest.
3) If DTCs return. Check for related DTCs (Circuit faults) Confirmed DTC.
Test Failed Since Last Clear.
Bl DAC54
(J65 OR J66) Motor-Squab Adjust (Backward / F0Mard Position Limit) Not Learnt - Calibration Required. (DRIVERS S Note: Start engine prior to next step. Low battery voltage will prevent calibration.
1 )Access Special Apps for the seat module. Run the seat calibration and then adaption procedure using the approved process
2)Clear the DTC. Then retest.
3) If DTCs return. Check for related DTCs (Circuit faults) Confirmed DTC.
Test Failed Since Last Clear.
BIEB854
(J61.1) Steering Column Adjust-Telescope-Motor On / Out Position Limit) Not Learnt - Calibration Required.
Note: Start engine prior to next step. Low battery voltage will prevent calibration.
1)Access Special Apps for the seat module. Run the seat calibration and then adaption procedure using the approved process
2)Clear the DTC. Then retest.
3) If DTCs return. Check for related DTCs (Circuit faults)
Confirmed DTC.
Test Failed Since Last Clear.
Bl E0454
(J64 OR J69) Motor-cushion Tilt Adjust (Up / Down Position Limit) Not Learnt - Calibration Required. (DRIVERS SEAT Note: Start engine prior to next step. Low battery voltage will prevent calibration
1)Access Special Apps for the seat module. Run the seat calibration and then adaption procedure using the approved process
2)Clear the DTC. Then retest
3) If DTCs return. Check for related DTCs (Circuit faults) Confirmed DTC.
Test Failed Since Last Clear.
BOOB513
(Al 7) Seat Track Position-Driver-Sensor - Circuit Open Confirmed DTC.
Test Failed Since Last Clear.
8005013
(AOI) Seat Belt Buckle-Driver-Switch - Circuit Open Confirmed DTC.
Test Failed Since Last Clear.
BID9B54
(J62 OR J67) Motor-Cushion Horizontal Adjust (Backward / Forward Position Limit) Not Learnt - Calibration Required.
(DRIVERS SEAT)
Note: Start engine prior to next step. Low battery voltage will prevent calibration.
1 )Access Special Apps for the seat module. Run the seat calibration and then adaption procedure using the approved process
2)CIear the DTC. Then retest.
3) If DTCs return. Check for related DTCs (Circuit faults) Confirmed D TC.
Test Failed Since Last Clear.
B228678
(J50 OR J51) Seat-Module Not Learnt - Calibration + Adaption Required. (DRIVERS SEAT) Note: Start engine prior to next step. Low battery voltage will prevent calibration.
1)Access Special Apps for the seat module. Run the seat calibration and then adaption procedure using the approved
process
2)Clear the D T C. Then retest.
3) If DTCs return. Check for related DTCs (Circuit faults)
Confirmed DTC.
Test Failed Since Last Clear
U041500
(B50) Electronic Stability and Park Brake Module (ESP) - No Sub Type Information.
Note: Signal Out Of Range.
Note: To Read and Clear DTC's select spc. DO NOT SELECT EBS.
Confirmed DTC.
Test Failed Since Last Clear.
P024113
(E52) Module - DRVU - (E52.2 Terminal 88) Managed Power Supply Output (Map Lamps OR E/C Mirror OR Armrest S Sensors) has a malfunction.
NOTE: Short Circuit to Ground OR Short Circuit to Power OR Open Circuit (Output Active).
This can be caused by a low battery voltage <7.8V during Start- Stop cranking.
Make sure the battery is fully charged and carry out the following. 1) Clear DTC
2) Select all gears and confirm the selected gear is indicated in the instrument cluster
3) Confirm that the tell-tale in corresponding PRND button is illuminated 5) Recheck DTC
If the DTC returns then refer to circuit diagrams.
Test Failed This Cycle.
Confirmed DTC,
Test Failed Since Last Clear.
B25AA14
(J62 OR J67) Motor-Cushion Horizontal Adjust has a malfunction - Short Circuit to Ground or Open Circuit. (DRIVERS SEAT)
Refer to electrical circuit diagrams.
1)Check the circuit for a circuit fault.
2)Check the circuit connectors for loose or corroded terminals. Check the security of the connector latches.
3)Check the component for fault.
Test Failed.
Test Failed This Cycle.
Confirmed DTC.
Test Failed Since Last Clear.
I have had issues with my drivers seat failing to slide back and forward. All other movements work OK. The car is 5 years old now and only 3,500 miles. AM have offered a small goodwill gesture, but the replacement cost of a new seat motor is in excess of £4.3k.
Apparently the dealer tried a seat calibration process, but I am not convinced that the motor is faulty, as I can hear the relay click and very occasionally, the seat will move back / forward after pressing some of the other buttons. The car is kept on a trickle charger at all times and I believe the battery is healthy. It has had a couple of spazzy moments starting sometimes, with warnings of Parking Brake release and sometimes just a click, so not sure if it's something else which may be causing an issue with the driver seat module / motor.
I have a copy of the DTCs below.
Can anyone suggest any home remedies I can try, or take as ideas to my local Aston specialist to try?
Many thanks,
Pete
B25AA14
(J62 OR J67) Motor-Cushion Horizontal Adjust has a malfunction - Short Circuit to Ground or Open Circuit. (DRIVERS SEAT)
Refer to electrical circuit diagrams.
1)Check the circuit for a circuit fault.
2)Check the circuit connectors for loose or corroded terminals. Check the security of the connector latches.
3)Check the component for fault.
Test Failed.
Test Failed This Cycle.
Confirmed DTC.
Test Failed Since Last Clear.
U041500
(B50) Electronic Stability and Park Brake Module (ESP) - No Sub Type Information. Note: Signal Out Of Range.
Note: To Read and Clear DTC's select SPC. DO NOT SELECT EBS.
Test Failed This Cycle.
Confirmed DTC.
Test Failed Since Last Clear.
BIEBB54
(J61.1) Steering Column Adjust-Tilt-Motor (Up / Down Position Limit) Not Learnt - Calibration Required.
Note: Start engine prior to next step. Low battery voltage will prevent calibration.
1)Access Special Apps for the seat module. Run the seat calibration and then adaption procedure using the approved process
2)Clear the DTC. Then retest.
3) If DTCs return. Check for related DTCs (Circuit faults)
Confirmed DTC.
Test Failed Since Last Clear.
Bl DAA54
(J63 OR J68) Motor-Cushion Vertical Adjust (Up / Down Position Limits) Not Learnt - Calibration Required. (DRIVERS Note: Start engine prior to next step. Low battery voltage will prevent calibration.
1)Access Special Apps for the seat module. Run the seat calibration and then adaption procedure using the approved process
2)C'ear the DTC. Then retest.
3) If DTCs return. Check for related DTCs (Circuit faults) Confirmed DTC.
Test Failed Since Last Clear.
Bl DAC54
(J65 OR J66) Motor-Squab Adjust (Backward / F0Mard Position Limit) Not Learnt - Calibration Required. (DRIVERS S Note: Start engine prior to next step. Low battery voltage will prevent calibration.
1 )Access Special Apps for the seat module. Run the seat calibration and then adaption procedure using the approved process
2)Clear the DTC. Then retest.
3) If DTCs return. Check for related DTCs (Circuit faults) Confirmed DTC.
Test Failed Since Last Clear.
BIEB854
(J61.1) Steering Column Adjust-Telescope-Motor On / Out Position Limit) Not Learnt - Calibration Required.
Note: Start engine prior to next step. Low battery voltage will prevent calibration.
1)Access Special Apps for the seat module. Run the seat calibration and then adaption procedure using the approved process
2)Clear the DTC. Then retest.
3) If DTCs return. Check for related DTCs (Circuit faults)
Confirmed DTC.
Test Failed Since Last Clear.
Bl E0454
(J64 OR J69) Motor-cushion Tilt Adjust (Up / Down Position Limit) Not Learnt - Calibration Required. (DRIVERS SEAT Note: Start engine prior to next step. Low battery voltage will prevent calibration
1)Access Special Apps for the seat module. Run the seat calibration and then adaption procedure using the approved process
2)Clear the DTC. Then retest
3) If DTCs return. Check for related DTCs (Circuit faults) Confirmed DTC.
Test Failed Since Last Clear.
BOOB513
(Al 7) Seat Track Position-Driver-Sensor - Circuit Open Confirmed DTC.
Test Failed Since Last Clear.
8005013
(AOI) Seat Belt Buckle-Driver-Switch - Circuit Open Confirmed DTC.
Test Failed Since Last Clear.
BID9B54
(J62 OR J67) Motor-Cushion Horizontal Adjust (Backward / Forward Position Limit) Not Learnt - Calibration Required.
(DRIVERS SEAT)
Note: Start engine prior to next step. Low battery voltage will prevent calibration.
1 )Access Special Apps for the seat module. Run the seat calibration and then adaption procedure using the approved process
2)CIear the DTC. Then retest.
3) If DTCs return. Check for related DTCs (Circuit faults) Confirmed D TC.
Test Failed Since Last Clear.
B228678
(J50 OR J51) Seat-Module Not Learnt - Calibration + Adaption Required. (DRIVERS SEAT) Note: Start engine prior to next step. Low battery voltage will prevent calibration.
1)Access Special Apps for the seat module. Run the seat calibration and then adaption procedure using the approved
process
2)Clear the D T C. Then retest.
3) If DTCs return. Check for related DTCs (Circuit faults)
Confirmed DTC.
Test Failed Since Last Clear
U041500
(B50) Electronic Stability and Park Brake Module (ESP) - No Sub Type Information.
Note: Signal Out Of Range.
Note: To Read and Clear DTC's select spc. DO NOT SELECT EBS.
Confirmed DTC.
Test Failed Since Last Clear.
P024113
(E52) Module - DRVU - (E52.2 Terminal 88) Managed Power Supply Output (Map Lamps OR E/C Mirror OR Armrest S Sensors) has a malfunction.
NOTE: Short Circuit to Ground OR Short Circuit to Power OR Open Circuit (Output Active).
This can be caused by a low battery voltage <7.8V during Start- Stop cranking.
Make sure the battery is fully charged and carry out the following. 1) Clear DTC
2) Select all gears and confirm the selected gear is indicated in the instrument cluster
3) Confirm that the tell-tale in corresponding PRND button is illuminated 5) Recheck DTC
If the DTC returns then refer to circuit diagrams.
Test Failed This Cycle.
Confirmed DTC,
Test Failed Since Last Clear.
B25AA14
(J62 OR J67) Motor-Cushion Horizontal Adjust has a malfunction - Short Circuit to Ground or Open Circuit. (DRIVERS SEAT)
Refer to electrical circuit diagrams.
1)Check the circuit for a circuit fault.
2)Check the circuit connectors for loose or corroded terminals. Check the security of the connector latches.
3)Check the component for fault.
Test Failed.
Test Failed This Cycle.
Confirmed DTC.
Test Failed Since Last Clear.
Can't help with the fault codes and I don't know how practical you are but, if it's "do-able" and you have access, my first inclination would be to try to put 12.6V directly onto the motor terminals and see if you can drive it fully backwards and forwards without all of the intervening electronic control gubbins.
If it still refused to move, it still may not be the motor, as they have an overheat protection (and maybe anti-trap) that will make the motor stop if the loads on the seat tracks are too high. One way to check this is to remove the motor from the seat, but that may not be easy and not for the faint-hearted - it's certainly a "seat out" job. And seat out would not be easy if you can't move the seat to access the fixing bolts.
You could check to make sure there's nothing in the tracks jamming then - an inspection lamp and mirror may give you visual access, or maybe an endoscope. One last thought is to slacken off the bolts holding the tracks to the floor of the car to see if that allows them to "spring" and reduce any tight spots. If you do this remember to re-tighten them to the correct torque, as seatbelt loads go through these bolts.
I'm guessing from the price you quote that the dealer is not looking at replacing the motor, but to install a complete new 6-way seat track and height-adjust assembly.
Error fixed - "6-way" incorrectly said "4-way"
If it still refused to move, it still may not be the motor, as they have an overheat protection (and maybe anti-trap) that will make the motor stop if the loads on the seat tracks are too high. One way to check this is to remove the motor from the seat, but that may not be easy and not for the faint-hearted - it's certainly a "seat out" job. And seat out would not be easy if you can't move the seat to access the fixing bolts.
You could check to make sure there's nothing in the tracks jamming then - an inspection lamp and mirror may give you visual access, or maybe an endoscope. One last thought is to slacken off the bolts holding the tracks to the floor of the car to see if that allows them to "spring" and reduce any tight spots. If you do this remember to re-tighten them to the correct torque, as seatbelt loads go through these bolts.
I'm guessing from the price you quote that the dealer is not looking at replacing the motor, but to install a complete new 6-way seat track and height-adjust assembly.
Error fixed - "6-way" incorrectly said "4-way"
Edited by LTP on Thursday 21st December 16:41
Sunnydene said:
Can anyone suggest any home remedies I can try, or take as ideas to my local Aston specialist to try?
Finding a specialist is usually a good plan, when main dealers have difficulty with faults.
However, it would appear that existing Aston Martin specialists, might not want to work on any '2nd Century' models.
The diagnostic and programming workshop tech. needed is a new version, hugely expensive.
Also, being an online only system, there are fears that AML could 'pull the plug'.
Sorry my contribution is zero help, but reinforces my view that I would only own my 2019 Vantage under warranty. In my short ownership, its had
- rear light replaced (water ingress)
- front headlight replaced
- windscreen wiper motor 'fixed' - not sure what they did to fix it
- factory tracker now awaiting replacement
Thats a few K in repairs but more importantly the sheer hassle factor of fixing is totally removed.
Hope your fix is as simple as new battery.
- rear light replaced (water ingress)
- front headlight replaced
- windscreen wiper motor 'fixed' - not sure what they did to fix it
- factory tracker now awaiting replacement
Thats a few K in repairs but more importantly the sheer hassle factor of fixing is totally removed.
Hope your fix is as simple as new battery.
turboman786 said:
Sorry my contribution is zero help, but reinforces my view that I would only own my 2019 Vantage under warranty. In my short ownership, its had
- rear light replaced (water ingress)
- front headlight replaced
- windscreen wiper motor 'fixed' - not sure what they did to fix it
- factory tracker now awaiting replacement
Thats a few K in repairs but more importantly the sheer hassle factor of fixing is totally removed.
- rear light replaced (water ingress)
- front headlight replaced
- windscreen wiper motor 'fixed' - not sure what they did to fix it
- factory tracker now awaiting replacement
Thats a few K in repairs but more importantly the sheer hassle factor of fixing is totally removed.
With luck it can work the other way around.
Sorry my contribution is zero help, but reinforces my view that I would only own my 2009 Vantage without warranty. In my long ownership, its had
- twin plate clutch and lightened flywheel (clutch failure)
- door damper replaced
- air conditioning radiator replaced
- battery replaced (routine cost, not warranty)
- tyres replaced (routine cost, not warranty)
That's over £20,000 saved in warranty costs, but more importantly the sheer hassle factor of fixing is totally removed, because other people do the work.
( With acknowledgement to turboman786 )
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