VH Generstion 2 Vantage

[Big Rat]

Been out of Aston Martin ownership for a couple of years now but am considering coming back.

My disability now prevents me from driving anything that isn’t fully automatic, I really loved my V12VS but the two gearbox options are out of the question.

Do those on here far more knowledgeable than I know of any reason why the ZF 6 or 8 speed fitted to DB9’s and so on can be fitted to VH Vantage 8 or 12 cylinder cars.

[LTP]

Big Rat said:

Been out of Aston Martin ownership for a couple of years now but am considering coming back.

My disability now prevents me from driving anything that isn’t fully automatic, I really loved my V12VS but the two gearbox options are out of the question.

Do those on here far more knowledgeable than I know of any reason why the ZF 6 or 8 speed fitted to DB9’s and so on can be fitted to VH Vantage 8 or 12 cylinder cars.

It's not just the gearbox. In a Graziano the clutch is on the engine - on a ZF the torque converter is on the transaxle. The torque tubes are different lengths and the half-axles may not fit. Then there's making the transmission ECU talk to an engine and car it was never designed for. And it's unlikely that the actual DB transaxle will fit into the Vantage subframe and under the floor.

Just buy a DB9 and enjoy it.

[Big Rat]

LTP said:

Big Rat said:

Been out of Aston Martin ownership for a couple of years now but am considering coming back.

My disability now prevents me from driving anything that isn’t fully automatic, I really loved my V12VS but the two gearbox options are out of the question.

Do those on here far more knowledgeable than I know of any reason why the ZF 6 or 8 speed fitted to DB9’s and so on can be fitted to VH Vantage 8 or 12 cylinder cars.

It's not just the gearbox. In a Graziano the clutch is on the engine - on a ZF the torque converter is on the transaxle. The torque tubes are different lengths and the half-axles may not fit. Then there's making the transmission ECU talk to an engine and car it was never designed for. And it's unlikely that the actual DB transaxle will fit into the Vantage subframe and under the floor.

Just buy a DB9 and enjoy it.

See I Knew this was the right place to come for a quick informative answer.. cheers chap I didn’t realise the complexity of the drive train differences.

Have always liked the DB9 anyway I shall start looking at later model ones, thanks again.

[PHFS]

Or Vanquish, they have a 6sp ZF auto or I think from 2014/15 the 8sp ZF?

[Big Rat]

PHFS said:

Or Vanquish, they have a 6sp ZF auto or I think from 2014/15 the 8sp ZF?

Thanks chap I certainly think they are also a model to consider, I’d really want the latest by year of either and of course condition is paramount ….. and yes the later 8 speed would be great.

[M1AGM]

Big Rat said:

PHFS said:

Or Vanquish, they have a 6sp ZF auto or I think from 2014/15 the 8sp ZF?

Thanks chap I certainly think they are also a model to consider, I’d really want the latest by year of either and of course condition is paramount ….. and yes the later 8 speed would be great.

DB9 was always 6 speed btw, which really suits the car, so dont let that put you off.

[Simpo Two]

M1AGM said:

Big Rat said:

PHFS said:

Or Vanquish, they have a 6sp ZF auto or I think from 2014/15 the 8sp ZF?

Thanks chap I certainly think they are also a model to consider, I’d really want the latest by year of either and of course condition is paramount ….. and yes the later 8 speed would be great.

DB9 was always 6 speed btw, which really suits the car, so dont let that put you off.

8-speed from 2014 according to https://aston1936.com/2018/12/23/the-aston-martin-...

[paulrog1]

I would look at this one -

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202502088...

Then, like Andy (M1AGM) when he had his DB9.2 go to Bamford Rose, get a primary decat and change the engine map to a 2nd gen Vanquish (the engines are the same, just different software programming) then you'll have a 590bhp rocket ship.

[paulrog1]

Simpo Two said:

8-speed from 2014 according to https://aston1936.com/2018/12/23/the-aston-martin-...

Steve from Aston 1936 got this wrong, only the 6 speed ZF was in the DB9, right upto the end.

[Simpo Two]

Seems so; I have Grant Neil's book here and it doesn't mention an 8-speed for the DB9, only Vanquish and Rapide.

[LTP]

Simpo Two said:

Seems so; I have Grant Neil's book here and it doesn't mention an 8-speed for the DB9, only Vanquish and Rapide.

Can confirm. DB9 was still 6-spd when DB11 replaced it.

[ds666]

paulrog1 said:

I would look at this one -

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202502088...

Then, like Andy (M1AGM) when he had his DB9.2 go to Bamford Rose, get a primary decat and change the engine map to a 2nd gen Vanquish (the engines are the same, just different software programming) then you'll have a 590bhp rocket ship.

Tell me more about this 590bhp mod ?

[paulrog1]

You need to have a DB9.2 or a Rapide S and the PCM's can be reprogrammed, this is from the Bamford Rose website -


The second-generation DB9 and Rapide S essentially have the same engine as the Vanquish Mk II. However, they have been electronically restricted to create more differentiation between the models in the range and the Vanquish Mk II.
Bamford Rose reworks the ECU reprogramming to derestrict DB9.2 and Rapide S enabling the engine to perform much nearer Vanquish Mk II standard c565 BHP/c620Nm than the 510 BHP/620 Nm quoted for the original DB9.2. £POA


Plus a primary decat with the high flow secondaries will increase BHP by around 25bhp = 590bhp!!!

[Emilio Largo]

To be clear, this refers only to the AM11 engine, of course.

[Calinours]

Big Rat said:

Been out of Aston Martin ownership for a couple of years now but am considering coming back.

My disability now prevents me from driving anything that isn’t fully automatic, I really loved my V12VS but the two gearbox options are out of the question.

Do those on here far more knowledgeable than I know of any reason why the ZF 6 or 8 speed fitted to DB9’s and so on can be fitted to VH Vantage 8 or 12 cylinder cars.

If you'll forgive me asking, why does your disability prevent you from driving a Sportshift car?

There's a world of Vantage with this box that can be had. It can be operated in fully auto mode and while a bit jerky in that mode, if you can use the paddles and get one with an uprated clutch it's pretty funky and engaging once you get used to it

Edited by Calinours on Friday 4th April 20:11

[Big Rat]

Calinours said:

Big Rat said:

Been out of Aston Martin ownership for a couple of years now but am considering coming back.

My disability now prevents me from driving anything that isn’t fully automatic, I really loved my V12VS but the two gearbox options are out of the question.

Do those on here far more knowledgeable than I know of any reason why the ZF 6 or 8 speed fitted to DB9’s and so on can be fitted to VH Vantage 8 or 12 cylinder cars.

If you'll forgive me asking, why does your disability prevent you from driving a Sportshift car?

There's a world of Vantage with this box that can be had. It can be operated in fully auto mode and while a bit jerky in that mode, if you can use the paddles and get one with an uprated clutch it's pretty funky and engaging once you get used to it

Edited by Calinours on Friday 4th April 20:11

No problem asking chap I have Dupuytren's contracture
which in addition to injuries from an explosion to my hands as I’ve aged my dexterity is very poor.
In essence with paddles I’d simply am unable to get gear changes right
So a fully auto car is my best bet …
I’ve been following discussions on the thread and following autotrader and dealers with db9’s and am also considering db11’s

[VantageSW]

Big Rat said:

No problem asking chap I have Dupuytren's contracture
which in addition to injuries from an explosion to my hands as I’ve aged my dexterity is very poor.
In essence with paddles I’d simply am unable to get gear changes right
So a fully auto car is my best bet …
I’ve been following discussions on the thread and following autotrader and dealers with db9’s and am also considering db11’s

If a fully hands free auto is a must, and you're considering a DB11, how about a 2018-24 Vantage? There's lots of them about, the space in the boot is more usable, and you don't have to worry about the pointless back seats in the DB11

[Big Rat]

I test drove the current Vantage at Bristol Aston Martin in 2020, I really liked it of course is was the V8, the then original front and rear were a bit challenging for me as were the ‘ peashooter’ exhaust.

Now I know all this has been changed so thanks for reminding me of the model i shall reevaluate my list.