V12 Vantage AMR Manual Roadster
Discussion
Fed up with capital gains and dividend tax plus always promised myself a treat when retiring.
https://www.nicholasmee.co.uk/aston-martin-car-sal...
Thoughts on this for primarily investment purposes. Can only see V12 manual Vantages being long term classics but not sure whether this is overpriced to start
Anyone know how much these have sold for over last few years? Cannot seem to find any examples - think only 9 made so maybe not surprising
https://www.nicholasmee.co.uk/aston-martin-car-sal...
Thoughts on this for primarily investment purposes. Can only see V12 manual Vantages being long term classics but not sure whether this is overpriced to start
Anyone know how much these have sold for over last few years? Cannot seem to find any examples - think only 9 made so maybe not surprising
I'm not familiar with the UK market but here in the US very few V12 Vantage S Manual Roadster's (7spd dogleg) ever come up for sale. Of course that is in light of the limited number of roadsters that have found our shores (35). However, the most recent sale that was completed was at a Gooding Co. auction in August of 2024. The triple black 2017 V12VSMR (no 2017/2018 AMRs were ever sent to the US) with 6K miles on the odometer hammered at $313K.
https://www.goodingco.com/lot/2017-aston-martin-v1...
https://www.goodingco.com/lot/2017-aston-martin-v1...
100 total AMR’s I believe (not all, but most were manuals), 29 of which are roadsters and 20 RHD examples.
Since launch AMR roadsters have popped up here and there typically listed in the GBP 180-200k range, and seem to stay on the market a while.
Whether the AMR’s are valued significantly over the standard car, time will tell. It was essentially a run out trim with the performance pack fitted as standard and some further colour scheme variations. Total global V12VS manual production c. 350.
Personally, I don’t think it will be a bad place to park some capital - but as a pure investment? Not so sure. Expecting appreciation on a fairly illiquid asset that will cost c. 2-3% of its value in upkeep and running costs before inflation is not a great place to start.
I’d approach it from the mindset of enjoying your labours with comfort that you won’t take a bath. It’ll certainly provide more Sunday morning thrills than an ETF.
Since launch AMR roadsters have popped up here and there typically listed in the GBP 180-200k range, and seem to stay on the market a while.
Whether the AMR’s are valued significantly over the standard car, time will tell. It was essentially a run out trim with the performance pack fitted as standard and some further colour scheme variations. Total global V12VS manual production c. 350.
Personally, I don’t think it will be a bad place to park some capital - but as a pure investment? Not so sure. Expecting appreciation on a fairly illiquid asset that will cost c. 2-3% of its value in upkeep and running costs before inflation is not a great place to start.
I’d approach it from the mindset of enjoying your labours with comfort that you won’t take a bath. It’ll certainly provide more Sunday morning thrills than an ETF.
Wattyboy said:
Fed up with capital gains and dividend tax plus always promised myself a treat when retiring.
Thoughts on this for primarily investment purposes.
Thoughts on this for primarily investment purposes.
Presumably you are referring to equity holdings which never made it into ISAs.
A beautiful end of era car, that is probably indistinguishable from new.
I cannot comment on the asking price, but never compare owning an Aston Martin to a financial investment.
You will have far more enjoyment from the car than dividends can ever provide. Hopefully car and also still some dividend flow.
Make sure that you are happy with the dog leg gear change. Apparently some have found it tricky.
The car will be Capital Gains Tax exempt. Doubt that Rachel (ex-Halifax Complaints Department) will change that.
Hold on, some have suggested that she is not very bright, so therefore may not understand that losses can be offset against gains, which is of course the reason why motor vehicles are CGT exempt.
Edited by Dewi 2 on Sunday 8th June 16:53
Wattyboy said:
Fed up with capital gains and dividend tax plus always promised myself a treat when retiring.
https://www.nicholasmee.co.uk/aston-martin-car-sal...
Thoughts on this for primarily investment purposes. Can only see V12 manual Vantages being long term classics but not sure whether this is overpriced to start
Anyone know how much these have sold for over last few years? Cannot seem to find any examples - think only 9 made so maybe not surprising
Don’t , I have run many cars over the last 20 years with very little depreciation. But every Aston has been financially disastrous , buy it if you want to drive it as it’s a great car , don’t buy it as an investment .https://www.nicholasmee.co.uk/aston-martin-car-sal...
Thoughts on this for primarily investment purposes. Can only see V12 manual Vantages being long term classics but not sure whether this is overpriced to start
Anyone know how much these have sold for over last few years? Cannot seem to find any examples - think only 9 made so maybe not surprising
As others have said, you don’t buy a modern Aston as an investment, it’s not a DB5, DBS or AmV8 to factory vantage spec or Zagato variant.
If you’re buying a more modern then you need to look at depreciation curves and then you’ll see only the earlier DB7’s and first iteration of the vantage 4.3 are potentially modern classics, they’re not classics now, but you’d be speculating that in future they might be one and you’d need to look more at limited edition cars and very specific criteria (else they were simply just too common).
Of the V12 vantage even the AMR is too recent, only the V12 Vantage manual that was first released in roadster form seem to be a better bet, despite being around 12 plate seem to hold their value at circa 100k-120k. That is simply because they were so rare in the manual form when they were originally produced.
That’s my two cents.
If you’re buying a more modern then you need to look at depreciation curves and then you’ll see only the earlier DB7’s and first iteration of the vantage 4.3 are potentially modern classics, they’re not classics now, but you’d be speculating that in future they might be one and you’d need to look more at limited edition cars and very specific criteria (else they were simply just too common).
Of the V12 vantage even the AMR is too recent, only the V12 Vantage manual that was first released in roadster form seem to be a better bet, despite being around 12 plate seem to hold their value at circa 100k-120k. That is simply because they were so rare in the manual form when they were originally produced.
That’s my two cents.
Short answer: no.
Longer answer...
I have a 2018 V12 Vantage AMR coupe. SportShift. Bought in October 2021 with 2.2k miles on the clock and for approx. £50k less than this lovely example is up for at Nicholas Mee.
That Roadster is a manual, which is currently more desirable. Will that still be the case in 10+ years, as current reports are showing less and less people drive manuals generally. That creep will continue. Even in the present day, when Morgan and Aston recently made manuals "for the enthusiasts", only 5-10% of the sales weren't auto. So what people say and what people do are two different things.
That car is a Roadster. Strangely, Roadsters/Volantes don't consistently have a premium over hard tops in the Aston world.
Is it that special? It's a lovely example. It has many extras including the lightweight seats and carbon sills. The gorgeous AMR alloys. And many will see it as being a nice, non-offensive monochrome spec. But does it really stand out as being special compared to so many lovely same-era V12 Vantage S models? Sure, the AMR has the secondary de-cat as standard, plus the Power Pack (595bhp), but as with the titanium exhaust (no mention of it on this car... and perhaps wisely so if you want to drive it any distance), but these were all options or easy to do changes. As are the other options present. So, I am the first to admit that the AMR is really a "stickers" and options tick-list over the V12 Vantage S.
Mine is marmite inside and out. It will have been more expensive than this from new due to the Q stuff. But that no longer matters 7 years later. It becomes a personal choice. Simply, "do I like it?". For me, it's a massive "YES!". I can't call mine an investment as, (a) I enjoy driving it too much — currently just ticked past 19k miles, and (b) something you never have the intention of selling is not an investment
But I'm hypocritical. I'm aiming for a second example in parallel to my AMR. "As an investment". Same era, different model. My friends tell me "it's not an investment". And they're very probably right. But in my mind it is, and nothing anybody tells me to change my mind... because these cars are addictive. At least I can say I acted in a human way and had fun when I'm in my retirement home in many years time. Hard to tell that story based around ISAs, stocks and shares.
Longer answer...
I have a 2018 V12 Vantage AMR coupe. SportShift. Bought in October 2021 with 2.2k miles on the clock and for approx. £50k less than this lovely example is up for at Nicholas Mee.
That Roadster is a manual, which is currently more desirable. Will that still be the case in 10+ years, as current reports are showing less and less people drive manuals generally. That creep will continue. Even in the present day, when Morgan and Aston recently made manuals "for the enthusiasts", only 5-10% of the sales weren't auto. So what people say and what people do are two different things.
That car is a Roadster. Strangely, Roadsters/Volantes don't consistently have a premium over hard tops in the Aston world.
Is it that special? It's a lovely example. It has many extras including the lightweight seats and carbon sills. The gorgeous AMR alloys. And many will see it as being a nice, non-offensive monochrome spec. But does it really stand out as being special compared to so many lovely same-era V12 Vantage S models? Sure, the AMR has the secondary de-cat as standard, plus the Power Pack (595bhp), but as with the titanium exhaust (no mention of it on this car... and perhaps wisely so if you want to drive it any distance), but these were all options or easy to do changes. As are the other options present. So, I am the first to admit that the AMR is really a "stickers" and options tick-list over the V12 Vantage S.
Mine is marmite inside and out. It will have been more expensive than this from new due to the Q stuff. But that no longer matters 7 years later. It becomes a personal choice. Simply, "do I like it?". For me, it's a massive "YES!". I can't call mine an investment as, (a) I enjoy driving it too much — currently just ticked past 19k miles, and (b) something you never have the intention of selling is not an investment
But I'm hypocritical. I'm aiming for a second example in parallel to my AMR. "As an investment". Same era, different model. My friends tell me "it's not an investment". And they're very probably right. But in my mind it is, and nothing anybody tells me to change my mind... because these cars are addictive. At least I can say I acted in a human way and had fun when I'm in my retirement home in many years time. Hard to tell that story based around ISAs, stocks and shares.
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