New 2025 Vantage - Carbon ceramic or steel brakes
Discussion
On the face of it, I'm thinking carbon ceramic due to the performance and weight of the car. Plus the steel discs look a bit small (aesthetically) on the car especially with the 21inch wheels. However, there seems to be quite a lot of cars for sale that have steel discs which makes me ask - what's the price difference between cc and steel.
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The cost differential won't be noticeable when paying for your new car, but does becomes significant if the CC discs wear out (takes a very long time), or develop a fault.
I would suggest that your decision might depend on how long you like to keep your cars.
For a keeper, I would choose steel.
If for only a few years ownership, carbon ceramic (possibly more attractive to purchasers).
Remember that the VH era V8 Vantage, all have steel brake discs and that is a 180 mph car.
mogg said:
On the face of it, I'm thinking carbon ceramic due to the performance and weight of the car. Plus the steel discs look a bit small (aesthetically) on the car especially with the 21inch wheels. However, there seems to be quite a lot of cars for sale that have steel discs which makes me ask - what's the price difference between cc and steel.
Thanks.
If you are planning on doing lots of track days, buy the steel brakes. They are cheaper to replace. In normal "spirited+" road use Carbon Ceramics are fantastic and should last very long time as long as you take the right care of them (not difficult). In those circumstances CC Pads will last 60K+ miles, and the discs twice that .Thanks.
I would guess that ceramics adds circa £10k as an option price ?
Lack of brake dust is one benefit but that pays for a lot of cleaning.
More care needed when cleaning ceramics but not difficult.
If long term keeper than resale needs shouldn't come into but I imagine that as many on the used market want steels as perhaps ceramics anyway ?
Both will stop the car but ceramics can give you a feeling of more security depending on what your usual driving style and needs are.
I had them on my V12S but" only " steel's on all of my 3 V8's and don't have them on my GT8 as wasn't an option and tbh probably wouldn't have speed them anyway.
I also have them on my R8 but have never driven one with Steels so cannot comment on the difference.
Lack of brake dust is one benefit but that pays for a lot of cleaning.
More care needed when cleaning ceramics but not difficult.
If long term keeper than resale needs shouldn't come into but I imagine that as many on the used market want steels as perhaps ceramics anyway ?
Both will stop the car but ceramics can give you a feeling of more security depending on what your usual driving style and needs are.
I had them on my V12S but" only " steel's on all of my 3 V8's and don't have them on my GT8 as wasn't an option and tbh probably wouldn't have speed them anyway.
I also have them on my R8 but have never driven one with Steels so cannot comment on the difference.
I'd go with the carbon ceramics.
I can't speak from experience with the current gen Vantage, but the original VH V8V cast iron brakes (note, metal brake rotors are not steel) had woefully inadequate cooling for track driving. In contrast, the V12VS carbon ceramics are more than up to the task.
But even if you aren't planning to go to any track days, the carbon ceramics on the road give you a feeling of much greater security. These are heavy cars and are only getting heavier with each iteration. Plus, if you are tuned into ride and handling, the decreased mass of the carbon ceramics really does feel better. And as a bonus, they produce no brake dust.
The only exception to my recommendation would be if you plan to track the car a lot and not just on occasion, in which case the cast iron brakes are probably the way to go, due to vastly lower replacement costs. With occasional track days and road driving you will probably never have to replace the carbon ceramics (unless you are planning to keep the car a very long time indeed).
I can't speak from experience with the current gen Vantage, but the original VH V8V cast iron brakes (note, metal brake rotors are not steel) had woefully inadequate cooling for track driving. In contrast, the V12VS carbon ceramics are more than up to the task.
But even if you aren't planning to go to any track days, the carbon ceramics on the road give you a feeling of much greater security. These are heavy cars and are only getting heavier with each iteration. Plus, if you are tuned into ride and handling, the decreased mass of the carbon ceramics really does feel better. And as a bonus, they produce no brake dust.
The only exception to my recommendation would be if you plan to track the car a lot and not just on occasion, in which case the cast iron brakes are probably the way to go, due to vastly lower replacement costs. With occasional track days and road driving you will probably never have to replace the carbon ceramics (unless you are planning to keep the car a very long time indeed).
alscar said:
That was a good guess then.
Compared to the price of just painting the calipers lime green though carbon brakes are almost a bargain.
£3,750 for lime green calipers…wow that really is taking the pCompared to the price of just painting the calipers lime green though carbon brakes are almost a bargain.
ss! How can they justify that? Back to the OPs question, I guess that would explain why almost every used car for sale does not have CCBs. I know one of the new AML mantras is to squeeze as much as they can from the additional options list, but sadly £10,000 seems to be about right nowadays (£9,087 for 911). When you look back at the VH era many cars (albeit V12 engined) had these brakes as standard fitment. I guess for every day road use the standard brakes should be enough, but I must admit I like the feel of the CCBs on my old dinosaur, and the lack of any brake dust is another positive. Whether it’s worth £10,000 though, only you can decide…BRM. Minglar said:
alscar said:
That was a good guess then.
Compared to the price of just painting the calipers lime green though carbon brakes are almost a bargain.
£3,750 for lime green calipers wow that really is taking the pCompared to the price of just painting the calipers lime green though carbon brakes are almost a bargain.
ss! How can they justify that? Back to the OPs question, I guess that would explain why almost every used car for sale does not have CCBs. I know one of the new AML mantras is to squeeze as much as they can from the additional options list, but sadly £10,000 seems to be about right nowadays (£9,087 for 911). When you look back at the VH era many cars (albeit V12 engined) had these brakes as standard fitment. I guess for every day road use the standard brakes should be enough, but I must admit I like the feel of the CCBs on my old dinosaur, and the lack of any brake dust is another positive. Whether it s worth £10,000 though, only you can decide BRM. In 2015 when I specced my V12S they charged £ 995 I think for the yellow and even relative to the car value that would still only put lime green at circa £1500 !
I think this is false greed and as you say if slightly better value more would consider the ceramics.
That said when I first asked about special paint colours on my GT8 their first quote was £12k but at least that was to paint the whole car.
I ended up paying £4k but perhaps these days Q doesn’t negotiate.
bennno said:
where do you get the pricelist from?
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