Used V8 - brake pad/tyres need replacing after 8 months
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Hi chaps
Grateful if anyone has views on the below.
Purchased a used 2007 V8 last August from Grange, Brentwood - 17k miles. Given it in for yearly service and I'm told that needs new brake pads and tyres. Have only done around 4k miles since purchase.
What is the position re them telling me before purchase that the tyres/breakpads on last legs? Surely as an apporved used car purchase, they should be telling me this?
Many thanks in advance.
Grateful if anyone has views on the below.
Purchased a used 2007 V8 last August from Grange, Brentwood - 17k miles. Given it in for yearly service and I'm told that needs new brake pads and tyres. Have only done around 4k miles since purchase.
What is the position re them telling me before purchase that the tyres/breakpads on last legs? Surely as an apporved used car purchase, they should be telling me this?
Many thanks in advance.
monsterfish said:
Hi chaps
Grateful if anyone has views on the below.
Purchased a used 2007 V8 last August from Grange, Brentwood - 17k miles. Given it in for yearly service and I'm told that needs new brake pads and tyres. Have only done around 4k miles since purchase.
What is the position re them telling me before purchase that the tyres/breakpads on last legs? Surely as an apporved used car purchase, they should be telling me this?
Many thanks in advance.
get the tires from somewhere else (its bound to be cheaper) pay for the parts and get them to fit them for free.....that's about the best you will get I fear....good luckGrateful if anyone has views on the below.
Purchased a used 2007 V8 last August from Grange, Brentwood - 17k miles. Given it in for yearly service and I'm told that needs new brake pads and tyres. Have only done around 4k miles since purchase.
What is the position re them telling me before purchase that the tyres/breakpads on last legs? Surely as an apporved used car purchase, they should be telling me this?
Many thanks in advance.
Brake pads are not a big expenditure and 4k miles doesn't sound like much but it depends how you have used the car. City driving is clearly more demanding on pads. The tyres is one of those areas where you should pretty much have taken a look when you bought the car and if the thread was halfway down you could probably have negotiated a new set of tyres at that point. To complain later about the state of the tyres is pretty difficult in my opinion. You bought a used car, nothing is wrong with it except a bit of wear and tear on the tyres and the brake pads so I would probably not worry too much and take it on the chin.
Edited by clorenzen on Tuesday 1st June 17:56
Firstly, I am sorry if you have a bill that you didn't expect, equally to be fair to the dealer if the car is Approved Used it will have passed n inspection which IIRC sets minimum standards for brakes and tyres. Tyres min 3mm? Sounds like your car was probably at the bottom of the range. The other posters are probably right that getting somethng like a free tyre fitting, working on goodwill will get you furthest in the long term.
I've just bought a V8V roadster from Grange (Exeter branch)
They stated they would change the rears because they were at 3mm and offered to replace the fronts as part of the negotiation.
I ended up with a 14 point snag list they are sorting as part of the deal.
As others have said buy both the pads and tyres elsewhere.
It is common for dealers to push consumables like this it is easy money for them.
Once you do get the tyres done (if they do need doing) make sure you get ALL four wheels laser aligned
They stated they would change the rears because they were at 3mm and offered to replace the fronts as part of the negotiation.
I ended up with a 14 point snag list they are sorting as part of the deal.
As others have said buy both the pads and tyres elsewhere.
It is common for dealers to push consumables like this it is easy money for them.
Once you do get the tyres done (if they do need doing) make sure you get ALL four wheels laser aligned
Tyres - waaaaay too late to be considering arguing on that one I'm afraid. A lot can happen in 8mths and 4k miles. And it's very simple to check when buying. Is it just the rears? And are they wearing evenly? Do you have the Bridgestones or Pirellis?
Brakes - the first thing I would ask them is how much wear is left/how low they are. My main dealer warned me of low rear pads a couple of times. Never had any warning lights on. Only swapped them out as a precautionary when the brakes felt soft. I'd done another few k miles on them by then, and they still had meat on them. So yours may still have quite a bit of life in them. Apparently you probably have a couple of hundred miles more once the warning lights come on, though it pays to check that the pads are wearing evenly either side of the disc.
One of the disadvantages of not using a car very much is just this sort of thing. I'd done a lot of miles in very short order in mine, and arguing with the dealer before the first few months is up is always easier (if needed - it wasn't in my case).
Brakes - the first thing I would ask them is how much wear is left/how low they are. My main dealer warned me of low rear pads a couple of times. Never had any warning lights on. Only swapped them out as a precautionary when the brakes felt soft. I'd done another few k miles on them by then, and they still had meat on them. So yours may still have quite a bit of life in them. Apparently you probably have a couple of hundred miles more once the warning lights come on, though it pays to check that the pads are wearing evenly either side of the disc.
One of the disadvantages of not using a car very much is just this sort of thing. I'd done a lot of miles in very short order in mine, and arguing with the dealer before the first few months is up is always easier (if needed - it wasn't in my case).
monsterfish said:
Thanks very much for all your helpful response.
Managed to negogiate Grange down to 370 inc VAT for the rear brake pads and 230 inc VAT for each rear Bridgestone Prentender tyre.
You're not negotiating hard enough Managed to negogiate Grange down to 370 inc VAT for the rear brake pads and 230 inc VAT for each rear Bridgestone Prentender tyre.
http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/gassing/topic.asp?h=0...
I believe the above was for fronts, which are 30 quid more expensive for the parts according to the thread...
I'm pretty sure I paid marginally over 200 quid for each rear tyre from Micheldever...
I agree with Murph, always ask how much the pads are worn. My view is that the main dealers always recommend changing brake pads when there is about 40% remaining. Likewise with tyres I 've been advised to change them with 3mm tread, still a few miles in them at that depth in my opinion.
Its not always the dealer that sets the rules,
in this case it AML themselves who recommend new tyres at 3mm, the legal limit being 1.6mm and the sensible limit 2mm.Don't forget this is a high performance car and the last thing anywants wants is to you to go flying up the motorway at 70mph only to find you're aquaplaning.
The brakes are another matter,firstly bear in mind that as a dealer we may not see you between services so we must always err on the side of caution.If you left our garage and a few months later had a crash and we hadn't warned you that your pads were getting low it could be sucessfully argued that we were negligent.so we err on the safe side, warn you and set a reminder to ring you in a few months to see how you are getting on.
i hope this clarifys matters a bit
Andy
Stratstone wilmslow
in this case it AML themselves who recommend new tyres at 3mm, the legal limit being 1.6mm and the sensible limit 2mm.Don't forget this is a high performance car and the last thing anywants wants is to you to go flying up the motorway at 70mph only to find you're aquaplaning.
The brakes are another matter,firstly bear in mind that as a dealer we may not see you between services so we must always err on the side of caution.If you left our garage and a few months later had a crash and we hadn't warned you that your pads were getting low it could be sucessfully argued that we were negligent.so we err on the safe side, warn you and set a reminder to ring you in a few months to see how you are getting on.
i hope this clarifys matters a bit
Andy
Stratstone wilmslow
Instones ghost said:
Its not always the dealer that sets the rules...
etc...
Andy
Stratstone wilmslow
Top man for sticking your head up above the parapet etc...
Andy
Stratstone wilmslow
Understand what you're saying.
I'd much sooner dealers noted the %age wear on both items though. I'd also rather AML gave more sensible rules for their customers' benefit.
Perhaps I'm odd, or just exceptionally tight, but I find it easy enough to work out how many miles I've done and therefore roughly how many more I can get out of xx% left, allowing slack for things wearing a bit more as they get closer to end of life.
With a full set of brakes costing 700 quid upwards (well upwards depending on where you get them fitted), 40% is getting on for 300 quid wasted (not to mention the additional environmental impact of wasting such things). And it's going to be *very* rare that an Aston chews that amount of pad between services!
On the tyre front...hear what you're saying, but I ran my rears in all weathers down to around 2mm and they were absolutely fine and dandy. Traction control *possibly* intervened a bit more when gunning it, but I have nothing scientific to prove that or otherwise. It was fine in rain and snow.
Not sure how much tread is on a new Bridgestone, but IIRC it's around 8mm. Again, perhaps it's merely tightness on my part, but you're looking at over 100 quid difference per mm (plus even bigger environmental impact - granted not my biggest concern, but no need to be wasteful for the sake of it).
Thanks for kind words guys,and if you need anything feel free to give me a call or drop me a line.
i'm sorry to report but thanks to GB-HQ in brussels instances of dealers over/under estimating may well become more common.Thanks to the Bureaucrats, common sense and responsibility for your own actions is slowly being phased out to be replaced by blame throwing and litigation,and its the motor trade that are bearing the brunt.so if your garage says you need new tyres/brakes/etc ahead of time,its probably just them covering one's derriere against legal actions.All we garagistas can do is give you the legal line ,closely followed by the common sense line.At the end of the day yes, we do want to sell you stuff but a dead customer is not a good customer.;-)
Andy
i'm sorry to report but thanks to GB-HQ in brussels instances of dealers over/under estimating may well become more common.Thanks to the Bureaucrats, common sense and responsibility for your own actions is slowly being phased out to be replaced by blame throwing and litigation,and its the motor trade that are bearing the brunt.so if your garage says you need new tyres/brakes/etc ahead of time,its probably just them covering one's derriere against legal actions.All we garagistas can do is give you the legal line ,closely followed by the common sense line.At the end of the day yes, we do want to sell you stuff but a dead customer is not a good customer.;-)
Andy
monsterfish said:
Hi chaps
Grateful if anyone has views on the below.
Purchased a used 2007 V8 last August from Grange, Brentwood - 17k miles. Given it in for yearly service and I'm told that needs new brake pads and tyres. Have only done around 4k miles since purchase.
What is the position re them telling me before purchase that the tyres/breakpads on last legs? Surely as an apporved used car purchase, they should be telling me this?
Many thanks in advance.
Did you not think to check yourself? A quick look and you can see the brake pads and also the state of the tyres.Grateful if anyone has views on the below.
Purchased a used 2007 V8 last August from Grange, Brentwood - 17k miles. Given it in for yearly service and I'm told that needs new brake pads and tyres. Have only done around 4k miles since purchase.
What is the position re them telling me before purchase that the tyres/breakpads on last legs? Surely as an apporved used car purchase, they should be telling me this?
Many thanks in advance.
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