370z prices at the end of the year?
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interesting, at 6ft 3 it is one of the most comfortable driving positions i have had, and i do long drives in it too, regularly 400km+ in one hit!
Tire noise is all about getting the correct rubber on (bridgestone potenza's).
Agreed it is a bit lacking in the sound track, but an HKS exhaust and intake system resolves that very rapidly and for not much dosh.
2 years and 50'000 km into my 370 and very happy with it, (and yes i have driven 350Z's too ...
Tire noise is all about getting the correct rubber on (bridgestone potenza's).
Agreed it is a bit lacking in the sound track, but an HKS exhaust and intake system resolves that very rapidly and for not much dosh.
2 years and 50'000 km into my 370 and very happy with it, (and yes i have driven 350Z's too ...
kriss said:
Have you driven one and thought about the 350z?
I have had a 370Z twice now when my 350z has been @ nissan for work and if I am 100% honest - I am not a fan.
The 370Z removes so many of the characteristics the 350Z offered. There is no sound track, terrible soft yank handling, very loud road tyres, a poor attempt to loose weight at the rear end by remving all sound deadening (you hear every
and ping of every stone kicked up) and very soft steering!
Its GT car yes, but not very fun in my opinon. I like th eSynchro rev on the gear box, but nothing I cant do with my feet.
Sorry mate but that post is littered with bullsI have had a 370Z twice now when my 350z has been @ nissan for work and if I am 100% honest - I am not a fan.
The 370Z removes so many of the characteristics the 350Z offered. There is no sound track, terrible soft yank handling, very loud road tyres, a poor attempt to loose weight at the rear end by remving all sound deadening (you hear every
and ping of every stone kicked up) and very soft steering!Its GT car yes, but not very fun in my opinon. I like th eSynchro rev on the gear box, but nothing I cant do with my feet.
t."soft yank handling". I came from an S2000 and have not found that at all, nor have any of the reviews (which on the contrary all the reviewers (who get paid to have experienced opinions) say it handles BETTER.
Top gear mag "No complaints whatsoever about the handling, though. We took the car along a stretch of road I normally reserve for supercars - the last time I drove it was in an LP640 - and the new Z shone as brightly as its yellow paintwork. It works so much better than the 350, I was travelling 30mph faster in the 370 and the car was just absorbing all the extra velocity. The 350's understeer has been greatly reduced, and the power oversteer is still as readily available as ever, so after a few miles it's easy to think you're a bit of a tasty driver."
Evo mag "The biggest changes are clearly in the chassis, though. From the very first corner the steering is noticeably more accurate and precise. Torsional stiffness has been significantly improved and it feels like it, with the nose turning more immediately and the shorter wheelbase carving a line through the corner more acutely. In the 350 there was a slight delay between the moment you turned the wheel and when the tyres reacted; in the 370 there is much more immediacy. In fact the whole car feels laterally stiffer – where previously loading-up the 350Z’s chassis in a corner felt like leaning against a softly padded wall, it feels like you come up against resistance from the 370’s Bridgestones much more quickly."
"As I get back to our temporary car park for the first time, however, I’m in no doubt that the 370Z is more focused as a drivers’ car, "
"but now I’ve driven the 370Z I think Porsche might well have a fight on its hands."
There's no more road noise than my previous civic type r or s2000 but then I've not bought it as a quiet shopping car. The interior RAPES the 350z interior, the 370z is quicker, more efficient, shorter and wider than 350z.
Sure the 350z is good value for money at the minute, but "yank handling"? Sounds like someone tried to convince themself that the older model they own IS better than the current revised model.
OP take one out and make your own mind up, OR better still, find some expert reviews from any magazine worldwide that prefers the 350 over the 370
I have 2009 370z and have covered 33,000 miles in it. To say that the 350 is a better car beggars belief unless you are only comparing prices. I'm 6 ft tall and the driving position is good, however I agree that more movement on the steering wheel (rake) would have been good.
I regularly drive through Wales on en route to my head office and the cars manners and handling are brilliant, responsive, good acceleration and comfortable. Yes it is noisy but to be honest I bought it for the handling and performance - and I am not disappointed. It is all about personal choice at the end of day. Stick with the 350 but you would have a number of issues sticking with the 370 through Wales.
I regularly drive through Wales on en route to my head office and the cars manners and handling are brilliant, responsive, good acceleration and comfortable. Yes it is noisy but to be honest I bought it for the handling and performance - and I am not disappointed. It is all about personal choice at the end of day. Stick with the 350 but you would have a number of issues sticking with the 370 through Wales.
As someone who owned a 2005 350z GT for 3 years and is now 6 months into owning a 370z Black Edition, they're surprisingly difficult cars to compare. I certainly don't agree with comments that the 370z is "soft" or wallowy.
I actually find it a more targetted and grippy proposition.
It definitely lacks the rawness of the 350, which was very much point and squeeze, with an obvious soundtrack to match. The 370 seems more refined, but leagues more sure-footed. The engine has slightly different characteristics too (although I'm comparing it with the 275bhp version), with the torque coming in at slightly different points.
The 350z is a superb car, but I personally think the 370 is better in every single way (apart from the stock exhaust is rubbish). That's purely opinion though, but it's certainly not a watered down version of the 350z.
I actually find it a more targetted and grippy proposition.
It definitely lacks the rawness of the 350, which was very much point and squeeze, with an obvious soundtrack to match. The 370 seems more refined, but leagues more sure-footed. The engine has slightly different characteristics too (although I'm comparing it with the 275bhp version), with the torque coming in at slightly different points.
The 350z is a superb car, but I personally think the 370 is better in every single way (apart from the stock exhaust is rubbish). That's purely opinion though, but it's certainly not a watered down version of the 350z.
I never liked the styling of the 350Z, specifically the back end\boot.
The 370 totally got that right and i really like the tear drop look of the car.
I am seriously looking at one of these in 2 years when my audi loan is finished, looking at how prices have changed i am thinking decent 09/59 cars will be in the 14-18k bracket.
The only main downside would be going from a £140 a year road tax to £460 a year lol, and from 50mpg to about 24, but i do really like them and do about 12k a year, but would probably have a wee punter for the bad weather days of snow and heavy rain up here in Aberdoomshire hehe.
I am still amazed the fact these cars have almost halved in value in only 3 years!....good for me though
The 370 totally got that right and i really like the tear drop look of the car.
I am seriously looking at one of these in 2 years when my audi loan is finished, looking at how prices have changed i am thinking decent 09/59 cars will be in the 14-18k bracket.
The only main downside would be going from a £140 a year road tax to £460 a year lol, and from 50mpg to about 24, but i do really like them and do about 12k a year, but would probably have a wee punter for the bad weather days of snow and heavy rain up here in Aberdoomshire hehe.
I am still amazed the fact these cars have almost halved in value in only 3 years!....good for me though
Rick_1138 said:
I never liked the styling of the 350Z, specifically the back end\boot.
The 370 totally got that right and i really like the tear drop look of the car.
I am seriously looking at one of these in 2 years when my audi loan is finished, looking at how prices have changed i am thinking decent 09/59 cars will be in the 14-18k bracket.
The only main downside would be going from a £140 a year road tax to £460 a year lol, and from 50mpg to about 24, but i do really like them and do about 12k a year, but would probably have a wee punter for the bad weather days of snow and heavy rain up here in Aberdoomshire hehe.
I am still amazed the fact these cars have almost halved in value in only 3 years!....good for me though
Glad you like them Rick. It's been 3 years since they came out and they haven't dropped to 50% yet unless you get cat D.The 370 totally got that right and i really like the tear drop look of the car.
I am seriously looking at one of these in 2 years when my audi loan is finished, looking at how prices have changed i am thinking decent 09/59 cars will be in the 14-18k bracket.
The only main downside would be going from a £140 a year road tax to £460 a year lol, and from 50mpg to about 24, but i do really like them and do about 12k a year, but would probably have a wee punter for the bad weather days of snow and heavy rain up here in Aberdoomshire hehe.
I am still amazed the fact these cars have almost halved in value in only 3 years!....good for me though
Also name one mass market car marque that doesn't loose between 40 - 50% in first 3 years. Audi, BMW, Ford, Porsche, Nissan. They all do.
elementad said:
Glad you like them Rick. It's been 3 years since they came out and they haven't dropped to 50% yet unless you get cat D.
Also name one mass market car marque that doesn't loose between 40 - 50% in first 3 years. Audi, BMW, Ford, Porsche, Nissan. They all do.
Yeah, by half, I actually should have said a 1/3rd :-), was thinking more when I get one they would be about half, I.e. £15-17k area.Also name one mass market car marque that doesn't loose between 40 - 50% in first 3 years. Audi, BMW, Ford, Porsche, Nissan. They all do.
Yeah it's amazing what you can get for realistic cash after a car has passed that 3 year mark.
Good for me anyway!
Rick_1138 said:
elementad said:
Glad you like them Rick. It's been 3 years since they came out and they haven't dropped to 50% yet unless you get cat D.
Also name one mass market car marque that doesn't loose between 40 - 50% in first 3 years. Audi, BMW, Ford, Porsche, Nissan. They all do.
Yeah, by half, I actually should have said a 1/3rd :-), was thinking more when I get one they would be about half, I.e. £15-17k area.Also name one mass market car marque that doesn't loose between 40 - 50% in first 3 years. Audi, BMW, Ford, Porsche, Nissan. They all do.
Yeah it's amazing what you can get for realistic cash after a car has passed that 3 year mark.
Good for me anyway!
nickfrog said:
Rick_1138 said:
elementad said:
Glad you like them Rick. It's been 3 years since they came out and they haven't dropped to 50% yet unless you get cat D.
Also name one mass market car marque that doesn't loose between 40 - 50% in first 3 years. Audi, BMW, Ford, Porsche, Nissan. They all do.
Yeah, by half, I actually should have said a 1/3rd :-), was thinking more when I get one they would be about half, I.e. £15-17k area.Also name one mass market car marque that doesn't loose between 40 - 50% in first 3 years. Audi, BMW, Ford, Porsche, Nissan. They all do.
Yeah it's amazing what you can get for realistic cash after a car has passed that 3 year mark.
Good for me anyway!
The cheapest ones on Auto Trader. First ones CatD, second on is a non GT model even though it is advertised so (all GT models come with inbuilt nav). If the first owner paid absolute full list price without discount it would've been £27,995 for that model - its up at £16,995
Next one at £17,500 is a non GT - hardly anyone buys the non GT model. Again if they paid full whack without a £1 discount it would've been £27,995.
First non CATD model on there that is a true GT model as advertised is an auto with 37,000 miles on clock up for £17,950.
That owner did NOT pay £35,900 brand new for it (which is double £17,950). The ttop non discounted brand new price was £33k
How would you know if they shift privately or not and what they need to sell at to shift? Your middle names not "Johnny Glasses Guide" is it?
Edited by elementad on Thursday 2nd August 14:53
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2012...
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2012...
Neither seem to sell particularly quickly despite the low miles so one can only make an educated guess as to what kind of offers the private seller might accept...
I would guess £15,500, which is not far off half the retail price of a GT with paint when new... Retained value is usually expressed as a proportion of price list as discounts vary from deal to deal. I am not even going to mention trade offers...if any.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2012...
Neither seem to sell particularly quickly despite the low miles so one can only make an educated guess as to what kind of offers the private seller might accept...
I would guess £15,500, which is not far off half the retail price of a GT with paint when new... Retained value is usually expressed as a proportion of price list as discounts vary from deal to deal. I am not even going to mention trade offers...if any.
nickfrog said:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2012...
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2012...
Neither seem to sell particularly quickly despite the low miles so one can only make an educated guess as to what kind of offers the private seller might accept...
I would guess £15,500, which is not far off half the retail price of a GT with paint when new... Retained value is usually expressed as a proportion of price list as discounts vary from deal to deal. I am not even going to mention trade offers...if any.
First one of those 2 examples is ANOTHER non GT model advertised as a GT. a dealership special whereby they've added GT Wheels to a non GT model.http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2012...
Neither seem to sell particularly quickly despite the low miles so one can only make an educated guess as to what kind of offers the private seller might accept...
I would guess £15,500, which is not far off half the retail price of a GT with paint when new... Retained value is usually expressed as a proportion of price list as discounts vary from deal to deal. I am not even going to mention trade offers...if any.
The other one is a legit example of what I said originally. To quote myself " they haven't dropped to 50% yet unless you get cat D. Also name one mass market car marque that doesn't lose between 40-50% in the first 3 years".
You've just said it yourself. I now quote you "which is not far off half the retail price of a GT with paint when new."
Original quote from you "They have lost 50% in 3 years,"
nickfrog said:
Wow. I couldn't understand why you were so sensitive/aggressive about a volume car losing half its value after 3 years. I just realised what car you own. Apologies.
Nick you pulled facts from thin air, I haven't said anything that isn't factual. They "have" lost 50%.
They "nearly" lost 50%.
The group "have" killed someone
The group "nearly" killed someone
The Internet (especially pistonheads) is rife with people repeating hearsay, especially German car owners who are keen to express that jap cars depreciate at quicker rates than their own.
If I was quick to point out they haven't lost 50% it was because you were quick to express (wrongly) that they had when you don't have any knowledge or experience of them or the market which showed in your links above seeing as one wasn't even the model is was described as.
nickfrog said:
Again, if you feel that your car has only lost 49% of its value in 3 years / 30k miles rather than the usual 50%, fair enough.
Check the mileage on the "fake GT" too, or is mileage of no factual relevance ?
Nick, let's do some math.Check the mileage on the "fake GT" too, or is mileage of no factual relevance ?
The NON GT version up at £16995. FULL LIST price with NOT a single pound discount was £27995.
Work the percentage of what it's up at now (seeing as you brought it up).
39.3% loss from the original value.
Let's take my example of the true GT at £17500 (which is the first true GT model on there - could be a dog).
Full list price was £33k
Do the math again. Lost 47% of original value.
You surely agree that 50% is a milestone in car depreciation.
You clearly said they had reached this mile stone. Your weak examples clearly show they haven't.
What more can you possibly say?
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