Evo 6 Or Impreza P1?? Which one to buy?
Evo 6 Or Impreza P1?? Which one to buy?
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sandbagsniper

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37 posts

211 months

Friday 13th February 2009
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I was just getting used to having quick cars with my civic vti, Rover coupe Turbo then RX8, when I had to start long haul journeys so bought a Mondeo dis-eisel(Great car actually).

As of next month I no longer need the giant commute and time has come to buy a rapid motor. I am 25 in a couple of months and I can finally insure it. I have always wanted a scooby and I love the newest of the old style(97-2001). I also think the P1 in particular is better looking then the Evo6.

Both cars are very similar performance wise as well as insurance and fuel. Problem is Scooby(P1 in particular) seems to suffer from reliability issues and we are talking 10 year old cars here. Evo6 needs crazy servicing though every 4.5k miles.

Which one must I own before I get too old to enjoy a fast car?

Hol

9,316 posts

229 months

Friday 13th February 2009
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The P1 was a brilliant marketing ploy, but was essentially a Jap STi5 in a nice blue 2 door shell. The running gear was identical to the STI and the main (UK Friendly) things they did was to make the knock sensitivity better to cope with our fuel, and put different springs on the shocks to cope for our roads. Don't let anyone tell you anything else (I have seen the ECU Maps).

The EVO6 was not really changed much from the JDM configuration, except for some ecu fettling and a rear foglight. So very much a JDM-esque car.

Driving wise, the EVO will be easier to drive fast in GSR guise as it has an ECU controlled rear diff that makes an average driver good, and a good driver exceptional (Once you get the confidence to trust it). The P1 however, will feel faster, but will be maginally slower in standard guise.
That said both cars make gains from simple tuning.

Most people say that the Scooby is easier to live with but if you only want a fun car?
Styling wise, the scooby will age better and as they are rarer, will depreciate less over time. The EVO is almost 80's in its styling.

Personally I have been a member of the Lancer register longer that I have been a member of the SIDC, but I have owned 3 very special modded scoobies and no Evos. I just chose Scoobs each time I did a round of test drives.

My advice. drive both, but choose a range of different roads/surfaces to base your opinions on.

Revo

104 posts

219 months

Friday 13th February 2009
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Evo

Will handle better, be quicker round a track in general, much more tunable engine and not as common as Mr. Scoob biggrin

aka more fun biggrin

Hol

9,316 posts

229 months

Friday 13th February 2009
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wink They certainly aint that hard to beat. Even when they have more (claimed) power.




Forgot to add the EVO looses out on 30bhp, due to extra weight in the pwr/weight stakes.

sandbagsniper

Original Poster:

37 posts

211 months

Friday 13th February 2009
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I live in B-road county and will only be commuting 10 miles to work, so the car is aimed at me having fun and enjoying driving again.
When I used to have the RX8 and the mondeo at the same time, whenever I was in the mondeo, I would think 'if only I was in the RX now....'. I want an everyday drive so I have to take cost into the picture. I know the P1 is a glammed up Impreza type-R, but the fact that they changed the suspension, styling and running gear kinda makes it different - Better!!
Evo is apparently more focused but is ugly as sin!
Which is easier to live with?
Why?

GravelBen

16,482 posts

259 months

Saturday 14th February 2009
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sandbagsniper said:
I know the P1 is a glammed up Impreza type-R, but the fact that they changed the suspension, styling and running gear kinda makes it different - Better!!
Better is a matter of opinion - I'd a Type-R over a P1 every time.

cottonfoo

6,050 posts

239 months

Saturday 14th February 2009
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Revo said:
Evo

Will handle better, be quicker round a track in general, much more tunable engine and not as common as Mr. Scoob biggrin

aka more fun biggrin
There are probably more Imprezas on the roads than Evos, but they only built 1000 P1s.

Vixpy1

42,699 posts

293 months

Saturday 14th February 2009
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Hol said:
The P1 was a brilliant marketing ploy, but was essentially a Jap STi5 in a nice blue 2 door shell. The running gear was identical to the STI
They took the DCCD out as well, I've never quite understood why

sandbagsniper

Original Poster:

37 posts

211 months

Saturday 14th February 2009
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Daily driver. Which one is easiest/cheapest to live with? I guess more than half of the time I will not thrashing it or stuck in a traffic jam.

retrorider

1,339 posts

230 months

Saturday 14th February 2009
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GravelBen said:
sandbagsniper said:
I know the P1 is a glammed up Impreza type-R, but the fact that they changed the suspension, styling and running gear kinda makes it different - Better!!
Better is a matter of opinion - I'd a Type-R over a P1 every time.
prodrive really did do their stuff on the suspension front of the P1.the spring and damper rates are a revelation over a type-r on uk roads.

ShadownINja

79,993 posts

311 months

Saturday 14th February 2009
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sandbagsniper said:
I have always wanted a scooby and I love the newest of the old style(97-2001). I also think the P1 in particular is better looking then the Evo6.
There's your answer. That's the reason I would use for buying a P1. Not heard of any reliability issues. Perhaps this is only once you let someone in the back of their shed take a spanner to it and give it 50000000000000000bhp?

Oh, yes, and they sound meaty.

Edited by ShadownINja on Saturday 14th February 22:55

stigmundfreud

22,454 posts

239 months

Sunday 15th February 2009
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no experience of either but I used to live near Banbury and used the local roads for biking. My only lasting memory of a p1 was it overtaking me on a near 180 degree hairpin outside of oxford and leaving me for dead. At the time I was on my blade and even wringing it out the car was just phenominally quick.

Either that or I was riding like Ms Daisy

GravelBen

16,482 posts

259 months

Sunday 15th February 2009
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Vixpy1 said:
Hol said:
The P1 was a brilliant marketing ploy, but was essentially a Jap STi5 in a nice blue 2 door shell. The running gear was identical to the STI
They took the DCCD out as well, I've never quite understood why
It was a choice between DCCD and ABS, they went with the soft option. Personally I'd take DCCD over ABS though.

GravelBen

16,482 posts

259 months

Sunday 15th February 2009
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retrorider said:
GravelBen said:
sandbagsniper said:
I know the P1 is a glammed up Impreza type-R, but the fact that they changed the suspension, styling and running gear kinda makes it different - Better!!
Better is a matter of opinion - I'd a Type-R over a P1 every time.
prodrive really did do their stuff on the suspension front of the P1.the spring and damper rates are a revelation over a type-r on uk roads.
I wouldn't know, never driven on UK roads (or driven a P1 for that matter), but the handling difference between a DCCD Impreza and a 50:50 one is huge.

rsv gone!

11,288 posts

270 months

Sunday 15th February 2009
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sandbagsniper said:
Daily driver. Which one is easiest/cheapest to live with? I guess more than half of the time I will not thrashing it or stuck in a traffic jam.
Daily driver? Get a WRX with the PPP pack. They are a very good compromise for dodgy UK tarmac.



rsv gone!

11,288 posts

270 months

Sunday 15th February 2009
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ShadownINja said:
sandbagsniper said:
I have always wanted a scooby and I love the newest of the old style(97-2001). I also think the P1 in particular is better looking then the Evo6.
There's your answer. That's the reason I would use for buying a P1. Not heard of any reliability issues.
There is a big reliability problem on the P1, or rather a big potential problem with the engines, but it is avoidable.

Hopefully Smifffy will be along to fill in the gaps of my Scooby knowledge.

ShadownINja

79,993 posts

311 months

Sunday 15th February 2009
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rsv gone! said:
ShadownINja said:
sandbagsniper said:
I have always wanted a scooby and I love the newest of the old style(97-2001). I also think the P1 in particular is better looking then the Evo6.
There's your answer. That's the reason I would use for buying a P1. Not heard of any reliability issues.
There is a big reliability problem on the P1, or rather a big potential problem with the engines, but it is avoidable.

Hopefully Smifffy will be along to fill in the gaps of my Scooby knowledge.
I do recall something about the final cylinder or something? I thought that was across all Imprezas of that era but for over-tuned engines. Happy to be corrected.

Vixpy1

42,699 posts

293 months

Sunday 15th February 2009
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They have chocolate MAF's, they fail.. car runs lean.

They then usually do a Piston

retrorider

1,339 posts

230 months

Sunday 15th February 2009
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GravelBen said:
retrorider said:
GravelBen said:
sandbagsniper said:
I know the P1 is a glammed up Impreza type-R, but the fact that they changed the suspension, styling and running gear kinda makes it different - Better!!
Better is a matter of opinion - I'd a Type-R over a P1 every time.
prodrive really did do their stuff on the suspension front of the P1.the spring and damper rates are a revelation over a type-r on uk roads.
I wouldn't know, never driven on UK roads (or driven a P1 for that matter), but the handling difference between a DCCD Impreza and a 50:50 one is huge.
your comments on buying a car for use in the uk are not valid then really imho...

ShadownINja

79,993 posts

311 months

Sunday 15th February 2009
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Vixpy1 said:
They have chocolate MAF's, they fail.. car runs lean.

They then usually do a Piston
Can't you detect this problem before it becomes costly?