evos scoobys and skylines maintenance
Discussion
okay so as the title suggests im wanted some knowlegde on the above vehicles. i know they are some serious cars, and im really intrested in them esp the evo's. only prob is ive only ever driven n/a engined vehicles including bmw's and vws etc, they dont require much maintenence just a service or 2 a year. these japeneses beasts i beleive require alot more attention, i think you need to service a evo every 4000 miles, but what else does it require????? i aint no expert in cars, so dont know what half the mods are what people add to these cars but i got to admit they excite me, so what sort of maintenance do these cars really require? also why are their so many models in either vehicles, its abit mind boggling to a novice, i.e bmw do a 320 325 330 m3 etcc.. you know where you stand with the models, evos, do 1-10, and lets take evo 8 for example you get fq300 fq320 fq 340 fq380 mr this mr that i mean what the hell are these japs doing lol
any help appreciated, even if its just to take the mick lol
any help appreciated, even if its just to take the mick lol
Skyline GTR - always given it an oil service every 3-4000 with a filter every other change. Sent samples away a couple of times which basically told me I could have left it significantly longer with no detrimental effects. But it's a nice little routine and I enjoyed doing it so.... Plug changes depend on the plugs themselves, mine got done every 10k or so, and while I was there I'd do fuel filter. Air filter (induction kit) got a quick clean whenever it looked a touch grimey. Full fluid change every year, and at the same time check everything like bushes etc. You'll find most owners are enthusiasts with GTRs, and not many good ones get neglected. Oil change ever 3-5k miles and a service every year if they're not getting looked after at home would be the typical schedule I'd be looking for.
Skyline GTST got pretty much the same treatment, though I didn't keep it very long.
Evos and Scoobies I'll let someone else fill you in on.
Skyline GTST got pretty much the same treatment, though I didn't keep it very long.
Evos and Scoobies I'll let someone else fill you in on.
EVO VI (RSII) here - As with many turbo'd cars the more you tune them the more maintenance is usually required. If left standardish then maintenance costs are not too bad.
My EVO for example is an RSII version, this version comes without the AYC which makes owning one less expensive in terms of having to do an AYC oil change every 4,000miles. Also I've left mine more or less standard in terms of BHP/engine tuning, therefore again maintenance costs are not elevated as a result.
So more or less this results in a normal service schedule and normal oil change schedule as you would have with many other normal types of car. Costs of which don't really alter much in comparison to other car servicing costs. Obviously sourcing any maintenance parts yourself from respectable companies rather than a main dealer, I am still surprised that people still buy parts from main dealers, I would have thought they'd have priced themselves out of the market long ago.
An EVO with the AYC fitted ie. a GSR version, would see you having to change the oil in the AYC every 4,000 miles along with keeping to the normal engine oil change schedule. Each car has its benefits in terms of cost of ownership and performance etc. But its something to bear in mind if you are lookng at these cars.
(The AYC vs RS DIFF debate is a long standing one on some forums and I'll not go in to that here).
Cost to buy, with EVOs obviously the later the model the higher the asking price, but also the RS version generally demand a higher price due to their rarity and better drivability on the track (in terms of having fun). (personal opinion will come in to play here).
The later versions of the EVOs also had FQ models, these are basically higher BHP models than the base model only released in the UK (stand to be corrected), as the japanese market still has the unofficial 280bhp limit. The higher the FQ number then mitsubishi put a higher price tag on them, so 2nd hand value will reflect this.
EVO 10 will be the last of the EVOs according to recent reports. So EVO value will now stabalise, seeing some become 'classics' and may cause people to hold on to them? (maybe?)
Mine is currently for sale by the way, if you are looking to buy?
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2151014.htm
(shameless plug)
My EVO for example is an RSII version, this version comes without the AYC which makes owning one less expensive in terms of having to do an AYC oil change every 4,000miles. Also I've left mine more or less standard in terms of BHP/engine tuning, therefore again maintenance costs are not elevated as a result.
So more or less this results in a normal service schedule and normal oil change schedule as you would have with many other normal types of car. Costs of which don't really alter much in comparison to other car servicing costs. Obviously sourcing any maintenance parts yourself from respectable companies rather than a main dealer, I am still surprised that people still buy parts from main dealers, I would have thought they'd have priced themselves out of the market long ago.
An EVO with the AYC fitted ie. a GSR version, would see you having to change the oil in the AYC every 4,000 miles along with keeping to the normal engine oil change schedule. Each car has its benefits in terms of cost of ownership and performance etc. But its something to bear in mind if you are lookng at these cars.
(The AYC vs RS DIFF debate is a long standing one on some forums and I'll not go in to that here).
Cost to buy, with EVOs obviously the later the model the higher the asking price, but also the RS version generally demand a higher price due to their rarity and better drivability on the track (in terms of having fun). (personal opinion will come in to play here).
The later versions of the EVOs also had FQ models, these are basically higher BHP models than the base model only released in the UK (stand to be corrected), as the japanese market still has the unofficial 280bhp limit. The higher the FQ number then mitsubishi put a higher price tag on them, so 2nd hand value will reflect this.
EVO 10 will be the last of the EVOs according to recent reports. So EVO value will now stabalise, seeing some become 'classics' and may cause people to hold on to them? (maybe?)
Mine is currently for sale by the way, if you are looking to buy?
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2151014.htm
(shameless plug)
I have owned a scooby (Terzo)and an evo (MR FQ-300).
The scooby is cheaper to service and the frequency is less than the Evo's 4500 miles or six months.
Lots more info on the Evo models here: http://www.lancerregister.com/mlr_showmodel.php
General advice here:
http://www.lancerregister.com/faqindex.php
The scooby is cheaper to service and the frequency is less than the Evo's 4500 miles or six months.
Lots more info on the Evo models here: http://www.lancerregister.com/mlr_showmodel.php
General advice here:
http://www.lancerregister.com/faqindex.php
Edited by Nicol@ on Friday 4th March 13:47
Impreza STI : I can't really see the service schedule or cost is any different to any other car. The one exception being the official engine oil change is every 10k miles, where common sense says it makes sense to do it more regularly. But it doesn't cost much to drop the oil & filter in between every official service.
General reliability is a separate issue and could open a can of worms with many many opinions : my own view being that on one hand these cars on average probably wear out parts quicker due to tuning and more likely to use it for track days etc, offset by the fact that its good Jap reliability. So on balance, probably on a par with your average BMW 325 or 523 in the long-run (speaking with some experience)
General reliability is a separate issue and could open a can of worms with many many opinions : my own view being that on one hand these cars on average probably wear out parts quicker due to tuning and more likely to use it for track days etc, offset by the fact that its good Jap reliability. So on balance, probably on a par with your average BMW 325 or 523 in the long-run (speaking with some experience)
I do most of my own maintenance on the Evo (apart from AYC oil change and belts as you need special kit ) used to do all the work on my Skyline GTST, I've found both really easy and straightforward to look after
People fret about services every 3500-4000 miles but its just an oil change and check over so £60 for oil and filter , only every other one needs anything more and its really straightforward to keep the bills down, dont think the fuel is that bad either low 20's to the gallon average , found the Skyline slightly better on fuel than the Evo probably due to gearing which is a thing to remember with the RS Evo 's they have short gearing they top out at around 125mph so you'll be doing 5000rpm on the motorway.
People fret about services every 3500-4000 miles but its just an oil change and check over so £60 for oil and filter , only every other one needs anything more and its really straightforward to keep the bills down, dont think the fuel is that bad either low 20's to the gallon average , found the Skyline slightly better on fuel than the Evo probably due to gearing which is a thing to remember with the RS Evo 's they have short gearing they top out at around 125mph so you'll be doing 5000rpm on the motorway.
Evo...specifically the 8 as that's what I have, but some of this will apply to similar models. Weak points are generally acknowledged to be the 6 speed box on modified cars, the AYC pump, and easily warped front discs. Very hard suspension on the early 8's can be cheaply remedied with 2nd hand Bilsteins from a later 8 or a 9.
I've had mine for 7 years, it's done a paltry 31,000 miles, it's been gradually modified to what I want it to be, and it's been utterly reliable, but they are appallingly expensive to run and maintain, being dreadful on fuel ( 200-220 miles per tank ), and having service intervals of 4500 miles. If you drive the way I do, it'll likely need a set of tyres every service also.
The dealers are rubbish in my unfortunate experiences, and you'll save a fortune by finding an independent specialist, who'll make more effort for less reward.
There doesn't seem to be the snobbery about whether or not it's an import, as you sometimes get with other makes, so buy the car you like, and don't worry about that aspect too much, however scrupulous servicing is, in my opinion, essential on them.
Insurance can be expensive depending on your age / driving history, a lot of people on the MLR, myself included find specialist companies such as Pace Ward to be sympathetic.
If any of the above seems negative, or intended to put you off, don't let it, everyone should own and get used to driving an Evo at some point in their lives. I've come to regard mine as irreplaceable. They're extraordinarily tolerant of big increases in horsepower, if you deal with the ( very few ) weak points listed above, they're exceptional. They more than make up for the expense.
I've had mine for 7 years, it's done a paltry 31,000 miles, it's been gradually modified to what I want it to be, and it's been utterly reliable, but they are appallingly expensive to run and maintain, being dreadful on fuel ( 200-220 miles per tank ), and having service intervals of 4500 miles. If you drive the way I do, it'll likely need a set of tyres every service also.
The dealers are rubbish in my unfortunate experiences, and you'll save a fortune by finding an independent specialist, who'll make more effort for less reward.
There doesn't seem to be the snobbery about whether or not it's an import, as you sometimes get with other makes, so buy the car you like, and don't worry about that aspect too much, however scrupulous servicing is, in my opinion, essential on them.
Insurance can be expensive depending on your age / driving history, a lot of people on the MLR, myself included find specialist companies such as Pace Ward to be sympathetic.
If any of the above seems negative, or intended to put you off, don't let it, everyone should own and get used to driving an Evo at some point in their lives. I've come to regard mine as irreplaceable. They're extraordinarily tolerant of big increases in horsepower, if you deal with the ( very few ) weak points listed above, they're exceptional. They more than make up for the expense.
Edited by Heaveho on Saturday 5th March 22:12
liner33 said:
I do most of my own maintenance on the Evo (apart from AYC oil change and belts as you need special kit ) used to do all the work on my Skyline GTST, I've found both really easy and straightforward to look after
People fret about services every 3500-4000 miles but its just an oil change and check over so £60 for oil and filter , only every other one needs anything more and its really straightforward to keep the bills down, dont think the fuel is that bad either low 20's to the gallon average , found the Skyline slightly better on fuel than the Evo probably due to gearing which is a thing to remember with the RS Evo 's they have short gearing they top out at around 125mph so you'll be doing 5000rpm on the motorway.
Did you know its the AYC clutch bath that needs changing most of the services, not the AYC fliud in the boot. Its dead easy to do aswell. The AYC pump fluid hardly ever needs doing as it doesn't get dirty.People fret about services every 3500-4000 miles but its just an oil change and check over so £60 for oil and filter , only every other one needs anything more and its really straightforward to keep the bills down, dont think the fuel is that bad either low 20's to the gallon average , found the Skyline slightly better on fuel than the Evo probably due to gearing which is a thing to remember with the RS Evo 's they have short gearing they top out at around 125mph so you'll be doing 5000rpm on the motorway.
Do you not have to also check the torque setting on the diff on 4 onward GSR's every 4500mile? Not just change the oil.
That was always the reason given to me 2001/2002 for having to let the dealer do it as they had the proper tools. Someone did show me a diagram once on how to do that yourself.
That was always the reason given to me 2001/2002 for having to let the dealer do it as they had the proper tools. Someone did show me a diagram once on how to do that yourself.
Hol said:
Do you not have to also check the torque setting on the diff on 4 onward GSR's every 4500mile? Not just change the oil.
That was always the reason given to me 2001/2002 for having to let the dealer do it as they had the proper tools. Someone did show me a diagram once on how to do that yourself.
Never heard that to be honest and I take my Evo to a specialist. But after seeing the AYC clutch bath fluid change was as easy as an engine oil change I have done it my self.That was always the reason given to me 2001/2002 for having to let the dealer do it as they had the proper tools. Someone did show me a diagram once on how to do that yourself.
liner33 said:
Every 9000 miles or every OTHER service
Many people on the MLR and at specialists say that the Pump part of the system (the bottle in the boot), should only need to be changed if there is a problem and it needs bleeding, other wise every 15-20k. Its the AYC clutch bath that is the "dirty" fluid which causes the odd noises if not changed regularly. This should be changed every 4500miles, but like I said its very easy to do.Wow!!
Much of the above is getting a little confusing to me and i have a reasonable mechanical knowledge!
As for Evo's and GTR's i cannot pass too many comments but having owned a 2006 Impreza WRX for the past 5 years i would say they are pretty straight forward to keep and maintain. Servicing is every 10k and even a big service with diff and gearbox oil isnt that expensive if you supply your own parts/fluids to an independant you trust. It doesnt need serviceing with a specialist as there are far less toys on the Impreza such as no AYC etc.
Over a year mine costs £550 to insure fully comp with all mods covered like for like, £245 for 12 months tax and it goes through a set of tyres every 10k or so depending on how you drive. A new set of Falken FK452's will cost about £300. The only expense on top of this is of course the fuel but again that all depends on you.
As for all the different models, well some are truly different and some are just a bit of a sales pitch from Subaru. The best way to choose any of the 3 cars you are interested in is to outline what you want from it.
Trust me, its far easier to find a car that matches what you want than to explain all the different varients!!
Much of the above is getting a little confusing to me and i have a reasonable mechanical knowledge!
As for Evo's and GTR's i cannot pass too many comments but having owned a 2006 Impreza WRX for the past 5 years i would say they are pretty straight forward to keep and maintain. Servicing is every 10k and even a big service with diff and gearbox oil isnt that expensive if you supply your own parts/fluids to an independant you trust. It doesnt need serviceing with a specialist as there are far less toys on the Impreza such as no AYC etc.
Over a year mine costs £550 to insure fully comp with all mods covered like for like, £245 for 12 months tax and it goes through a set of tyres every 10k or so depending on how you drive. A new set of Falken FK452's will cost about £300. The only expense on top of this is of course the fuel but again that all depends on you.
As for all the different models, well some are truly different and some are just a bit of a sales pitch from Subaru. The best way to choose any of the 3 cars you are interested in is to outline what you want from it.
Trust me, its far easier to find a car that matches what you want than to explain all the different varients!!
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