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Hi Guys
Currently own an 2010 320d M Sport with the 184bhp engine.
Looking at getting a remap but have been told that when you put the key fob in the ignition it will down load all current settings and tell the dealer when it goes in for a service that the vehicle has been remapped or tampered with, obviously making the warranty void, is this the case??
Currently own an 2010 320d M Sport with the 184bhp engine.
Looking at getting a remap but have been told that when you put the key fob in the ignition it will down load all current settings and tell the dealer when it goes in for a service that the vehicle has been remapped or tampered with, obviously making the warranty void, is this the case??
TheEnd said:
It only has minor details like current mileage, service status and some identified, like the VIN number.
When they place it on the key reader, it will just pull up the known history databases.
Are you sure mate because he claims that 2010 models and newer this has changed??When they place it on the key reader, it will just pull up the known history databases.
There is only going to be a very small amount memory space on the key chips.
I can't be certain they haven't changed something, but the last time I have seen something like this, it was already a note on the service history that was flagged up.
There certainly are plenty of people who have had tuned newer cars pass through dealers un-noticed.
I can't be certain they haven't changed something, but the last time I have seen something like this, it was already a note on the service history that was flagged up.
There certainly are plenty of people who have had tuned newer cars pass through dealers un-noticed.
TheEnd said:
There is only going to be a very small amount memory space on the key chips.
I can't be certain they haven't changed something, but the last time I have seen something like this, it was already a note on the service history that was flagged up.
There certainly are plenty of people who have had tuned newer cars pass through dealers un-noticed.
Thanks mate, i will check it out with somebody i know at the dealers before pressing the button to get it done.I can't be certain they haven't changed something, but the last time I have seen something like this, it was already a note on the service history that was flagged up.
There certainly are plenty of people who have had tuned newer cars pass through dealers un-noticed.
As far as I am aware, the only possible way of doing this would be that a) the chip would also store fault codes, and b) the ECU would recognise that it has been changed and store it as a fault hidden away from fault code readers.
I don't think either of those things happen, and also the BMW technicians don't have any idea of what is in the ECU.
If there is any doubt, it will be reprogrammed to the original or an update if there is one, and taken from there, as it is far quicker than going CSI on the car and having to train people to look for something that might not be there.
I don't think either of those things happen, and also the BMW technicians don't have any idea of what is in the ECU.
If there is any doubt, it will be reprogrammed to the original or an update if there is one, and taken from there, as it is far quicker than going CSI on the car and having to train people to look for something that might not be there.
It won't be the key fob that gives the game away!
BMW have introduced a new system which logs a *fault code* on the car when the ECU has been altered/manipulated outside of the factory specifications.
When your car goes into a BMW dealer the car will be hooked up to the diagnostics equipment and your cars files will be uploaded to a database at BMW AG.
If the *fault code* is found, your car will be flagged on the system as having been modified, and that flag will stay on the system indefinitely.
BMW have introduced a new system which logs a *fault code* on the car when the ECU has been altered/manipulated outside of the factory specifications.
When your car goes into a BMW dealer the car will be hooked up to the diagnostics equipment and your cars files will be uploaded to a database at BMW AG.
If the *fault code* is found, your car will be flagged on the system as having been modified, and that flag will stay on the system indefinitely.
don'tbesilly said:
It won't be the key fob that gives the game away!
BMW have introduced a new system which logs a *fault code* on the car when the ECU has been altered/manipulated outside of the factory specifications.
When your car goes into a BMW dealer the car will be hooked up to the diagnostics equipment and your cars files will be uploaded to a database at BMW AG.
If the *fault code* is found, your car will be flagged on the system as having been modified, and that flag will stay on the system indefinitely.
Cheers was this introduced on 2011 model yrs or before?BMW have introduced a new system which logs a *fault code* on the car when the ECU has been altered/manipulated outside of the factory specifications.
When your car goes into a BMW dealer the car will be hooked up to the diagnostics equipment and your cars files will be uploaded to a database at BMW AG.
If the *fault code* is found, your car will be flagged on the system as having been modified, and that flag will stay on the system indefinitely.
This could be what the guy meant who was going to do the remap??
Dealers don't detect it per se - BMW's software, which connects to the factory, may do as it gets updated.
So what may not be detected today, could be another day by the new revision being used.
Had a bit of a chat about this with a Service chap this morning, from Chandlers, whilst trying to get info on a car listed in their area.
You could just speak to service at another dealership elsewhere in the country to see if they confirm what I've relayed above.
So what may not be detected today, could be another day by the new revision being used.
Had a bit of a chat about this with a Service chap this morning, from Chandlers, whilst trying to get info on a car listed in their area.
You could just speak to service at another dealership elsewhere in the country to see if they confirm what I've relayed above.
I'm also very interested as I'm quite worried about invalidating the AUC warranty (and after that the extended warranty) if I remap my car. Its 06, so am I right in thinking that I can get around this? I had my previous mapped car serviced at BMW, had no indication that they knew about it.
I asked this question to another BMW forum, I was reassured that it depends on some dealers, but some had absolutely no problems with BMW extended warranty when claiming. Indeed, one of the senior tech guys knew that car in question was remapped (after a test drive) but didn't mention anything.
I asked this question to another BMW forum, I was reassured that it depends on some dealers, but some had absolutely no problems with BMW extended warranty when claiming. Indeed, one of the senior tech guys knew that car in question was remapped (after a test drive) but didn't mention anything.
Crimp a Length! said:
Might be better with one of those "tunit" boxes, i had one on my A4 few yrs ago, it was superb, 190bhp from a 140bhp derv engine had it on the rollers to verify it.....
Remaps are just bettter suited and the power is across the range, just don't want to risk the warranty aspect.
Having done a bit of research on this topic, I have seen that some well known mappers use the existing ECU map and tweak it, making it very hard for the dealer to spot, if at all. Apparently the good tuners can do this, some of the cheaper ones (who bolt a stock map after 20 minutes lol) don't. As a result the cheaper maps are alot easier to spot, as they have different fault codes. BTW, this is from a BMW technician, posting in a BMW forum.Remaps are just bettter suited and the power is across the range, just don't want to risk the warranty aspect.
Some remap companies claim never to have had an issue with dealer finding out the remap during a service.
I have to admit I found that a little reassuring, so I may indeed get my car remapped after all. The chances of something going wrong are very remote anyway.
I'd say go for it, you won't regret it. I loved the performance from my old 320d. That's why I'm so keen to get mine done. However, make sure you inform your insurance company though, some won't cover mods.
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