Z4 With Automatic gear box should I?
Z4 With Automatic gear box should I?
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sbhumphrey

Original Poster:

57 posts

300 months

Saturday 12th November 2011
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Anyone have any good reasons why I should go for an automatic gearbox over a manual on a Z4?
Just tried a 2003 Z4 which was lovely but it has an automatic gearbox, not sure if I ought to pass on it and get one with a manual box?
Any comments, suggestions would be appreciated

Targarama

14,791 posts

314 months

Saturday 12th November 2011
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What kind of driving do you tend to do? It will be crap on track days or alpine passes, but might be what you need for a slow commute. I test drove an auto before buying a manual and it went OK, just wasn't what I wanted.

R_T

254 posts

303 months

Saturday 12th November 2011
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sbhumphrey said:
not sure if I ought to pass on it and get one with a manual box?
I think the doubt is probably already there regarding the auto.

Drive both for comparison before spending the money, but I think the manual will be a lot easier to sell when that time eventually comes.

Fox-

13,575 posts

277 months

Saturday 12th November 2011
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No.

The Z4 is a sports car. It needs a manual box. The autobox is great for wafting but the Z4 itself is useless for wafting.

If you want an auto buy a 330Ci Cab. If you want a Z4 buy a manual.

Output Flange

17,053 posts

242 months

Tuesday 15th November 2011
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Is this not as simple as "do you want an automatic or a manual"?

We've got a Z4 3.0 with an auto box, and the box doesn't ruin the car.

I'll give you the benefit of my considered opinion of having had the Z4 for 4 years - they're a bit st. Terrible ride, terrible interior, the 3.0 is nippy enough and gives reasonable economy, seats are uncomfortable.

Picking auto or manual is down to your preference. There are plenty of buyers for either box out there when it comes to resale.

Vroomer

1,889 posts

211 months

Tuesday 15th November 2011
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Output Flange said:
Is this not as simple as "do you want an automatic or a manual"?

We've got a Z4 3.0 with an auto box, and the box doesn't ruin the car.

I'll give you the benefit of my considered opinion of having had the Z4 for 4 years - they're a bit st. Terrible ride, terrible interior, the 3.0 is nippy enough and gives reasonable economy, seats are uncomfortable.

Picking auto or manual is down to your preference. There are plenty of buyers for either box out there when it comes to resale.
Why have you kept it for four years if you dislike it so much?

Vroomer

1,889 posts

211 months

Tuesday 15th November 2011
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Z4: Great engine; great interior; great looks; fair economy. The only negative is a harsh ride on Run Flats.

(Really a sports car deserves a manual box, but I've driven the auto, and it's fine.)

Output Flange

17,053 posts

242 months

Tuesday 15th November 2011
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Vroomer said:
Why have you kept it for four years if you dislike it so much?
Because 99% of the time the OH drives it and she's happy with it as it's an improvement on the Z3 it replaced.

gizlaroc

17,251 posts

255 months

Tuesday 15th November 2011
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Z4 M I understand a manual, but the regular Z4 I would have in auto, the 3.0i auto is a peach of a car.

Output Flange

17,053 posts

242 months

Tuesday 15th November 2011
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Vroomer said:
Z4: Great engine; great interior; great looks; fair economy. The only negative is a harsh ride on Run Flats.
Agree on the engine.

The interior is really low quality. The trim materials are cheap and nasty, and BMW at their worst.

Looks are subjective, but I don't dislike it, particularly from the rear.

We've averaged 28mpg over 30k miles. I don't think that's bad, especially as the throttle is normally treated as binary by the OH.

Harsh ride on runflats, harsh ride on non-RFTs. That's a 3.0 SE on 17s with PS2s, new OEM shocks and bushes all round. Compare it to, say, a 986 Boxster and it's not even close to being in the same league. That affects the handling, as when you're pushing on the rear will skip on a bump.

eastsider

1,102 posts

254 months

Tuesday 15th November 2011
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Fox- said:
No.

The Z4 is a sports car. It needs a manual box. The autobox is great for wafting but the Z4 itself is useless for wafting.

If you want an auto buy a 330Ci Cab. If you want a Z4 buy a manual.
This.

Fox-

13,575 posts

277 months

Tuesday 15th November 2011
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gizlaroc said:
Z4 M I understand a manual, but the regular Z4 I would have in auto, the 3.0i auto is a peach of a car.
Hmmm, cannot see how it would be. I love driving the Z4 - when it's a sunny day, the roof is down and I'm stirring the box. As a normal every day car it sucks and I always walk past it and take the E39. It's cramped inside, the interior is less than impressive, the visibility out the back isn't great, it's noisy inside, the ride is hard. With the roof up on a miserable day it's really not that great. It's certainly not a wafter - and that engine and box combo is suited to wafting.

It's all redeemed when it stops raining. Drop the roof, stir the gearbox and it's a fantastic little car. Absolutely great. But that sort of driving suits a manual box, not an auto.

If you want a 3.0i with the Auto box, it goes really well in an E39..

sparks_E39

12,738 posts

244 months

Tuesday 15th November 2011
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I don't think the manual gearbox costs £3000 to replace when it pops, my E39 had a £3000 Auto box replacement at 90k (before I owned it)

sinizter

3,348 posts

217 months

Tuesday 15th November 2011
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Vroomer said:
Z4: Great engine; great interior; great looks; fair economy. The only negative is a harsh ride on Run Flats.

(Really a sports car deserves a manual box, but I've driven the auto, and it's fine.)
I agree. I found the seats very comfortable. Have done 5+ hours drives and been fine.

Fox-

13,575 posts

277 months

Tuesday 15th November 2011
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sparks_E39 said:
I don't think the manual gearbox costs £3000 to replace when it pops, my E39 had a £3000 Auto box replacement at 90k (before I owned it)
I had my manual box replaced by BMW - the invoice was for circa £2500.

sparks_E39

12,738 posts

244 months

Tuesday 15th November 2011
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Fox- said:
I had my manual box replaced by BMW - the invoice was for circa £2500.
Ouch really? What happened to the old one?

Fox-

13,575 posts

277 months

Tuesday 15th November 2011
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sparks_E39 said:
Ouch really? What happened to the old one?
The return spring went on 5th.

No, really.

sparks_E39

12,738 posts

244 months

Tuesday 15th November 2011
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I always thought they were much less expensive than the autos, don't here of them going wrong half as often I guess.

Fox-

13,575 posts

277 months

Tuesday 15th November 2011
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Replacing the entire box seemed a bit odd to me but BMW paid for it so.... *shrug*

Sticks.

9,724 posts

282 months

Tuesday 15th November 2011
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Fox- said:
gizlaroc said:
Z4 M I understand a manual, but the regular Z4 I would have in auto, the 3.0i auto is a peach of a car.
Hmmm, cannot see how it would be. I love driving the Z4 - when it's a sunny day, the roof is down and I'm stirring the box. .
You can still stir the box with an auto, you just don't have to waggle your left foot about.

I'm sure a manual Z4 is very good, although OP Google CDV, but that doesn't mean an auto isn't. The idea that autos are only suitable for wafting underestimates the versatility of the auto, particularly in the Z4 above other BMW applications.

Yes, you can use it in wafty Drive mode, in traffic or on lazy days its ideal. Then you can make it more lively at the press of a button in Sport mode - and when you get used to controlling the change with the throttle it gets better. Or use the sequential manual change. Just as quick as a manual change, much smaller movement of hand, just none of left leg smile, better for guaranteed red-lining (if you're inclined) and intuitive once you're used to it.

Some people will like them, some not. But OP, I'd say don't rule it out without trying it, but make sure you get shown how to use it to its best.