F30 review Autocar - Positive
Discussion
M3Charlie said:
"if superman drove a car it would be a 320d" lol
Hopefully with the ever increasing price of diesel relative to petrol this will be the generation of 3 Series where everyone says 'No! I won't spoil my sport saloon with a diesel engine, I shall order the petrol one'.No, really. Honest.
Doh
Fox- said:
Hopefully with the ever increasing price of diesel relative to petrol this will be the generation of 3 Series where everyone says 'No! I won't spoil my sport saloon with a diesel engine, I shall order the petrol one'.
No, really. Honest.
Doh
I wouldn't spoil any car by buying a dieselNo, really. Honest.
Doh
anonymous said:
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i'll take your opinion with a pinch of salt until you've driven one 
agree the dropping of the NA straight 6 is a sad time, however, the turbo units are great and they still found fantastic. the new 535i sounds lovely
they're also even more user-friendly with a much bigger power band and, dare i say, far more linear power delivery because of a much flatter torque curve.When I was reading this article it struck me that the F30 320 d with 181 hp puts out prety much the the same horse power as my E36 328i Sport did (193hp) in 1996....obviously has a lot more torque too. Incredible how the bottom of the range oil burner is now as powerful/more powerful than the top of the range car from three generations ago.
Cheib said:
When I was reading this article it struck me that the F30 320 d with 181 hp puts out prety much the the same horse power as my E36 328i Sport did (193hp) in 1996....obviously has a lot more torque too. Incredible how the bottom of the range oil burner is now as powerful/more powerful than the top of the range car from three generations ago.
The 320d is not bottom of the range, or at least won't be for long. It's also not that amazing that a 2 litre turbo would make 180bhp either. VW had 150 from a 1.9 a decade ago.anonymous said:
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A perfectly flat torque curve will give the most linear power delivery. I've not heard the new 28i engine but yes, you're right, it'll never sound like a straight 6. The 35i engine is a very good engine though and pulls well to its redline. I'd like to see a power curve between the new 28i engine and say, a similarly powered 3.4 M30 and compare the torque and power curves.
I prefer the NA straight sixes but only for subjective reasons, from a technical point of view, they aren't as good.
anonymous said:
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I agree, its the same for me. However, I bet 90% of bmw drivers (or any drivers, foe that fact) care more about objectives not subjective..... That's where the money is. Also, this is largely out of BMW's hands with emission regulations. All manufacturers are doing the same, its unfortunate but it's happening.
That M5 is gorgeous. If you were in the market for a 2.0d why would you even think of it? Or listen to experts as it's raison d'etre is do far removed from that of the oil-burner? If people are as easily persuaded as that then no diesel would ever sell and everyone would be convinced by salesmen to buy X5Ms. I would rather have my E60 530d for everyday use than an M5, although I do hanker for the M badge as a weekend plaything.
Simonium said:
I would rather have my E60 530d for everyday use than an M5
No you wouldn't. We all say this but only because of fuel economy. If fuel was 5p a litre you wouldnt drive a 530d. Nobody in Dubai drives a 530d.Whether we care to admit it or not our car choices are almost always dominated by money. The diesel isnt better in the real world than an M5, its cheaper in the real world than an M5 and thats what it comes down to at the end of the day. We buy diesels instead of M5's because they cost less money.
Fox- said:
Simonium said:
I would rather have my E60 530d for everyday use than an M5
No you wouldn't. We all say this but only because of fuel economy. If fuel was 5p a litre you wouldnt drive a 530d. Nobody in Dubai drives a 530d.Whether we care to admit it or not our car choices are almost always dominated by money. The diesel isnt better in the real world than an M5, its cheaper in the real world than an M5 and thats what it comes down to at the end of the day. We buy diesels instead of M5's because they cost less money.
sad, but true. other than in running costs, a 530d isn't better than an M5 in any way.
cue the "but it's got more low down torque" response
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in all fairness (don't get me wrong, i'd take the E39 M5) most people don't want a car like that with big miles with no warranty. with a new car you know EXACTLY how much it'll cost you and is far easier to budget. also, you don't get seats in which other people have farted, you get a spec that YOU want, not what someone else wanted etc.anonymous said:
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or people want the latest technology and aren't fussed at all by the engine, except if it has enough poke to go from A to B and is good on fuel to stop repeated trips to the pumps.as said, i'm pro slightly older 2nd hand cars to avoid depreciation, but it doesn't stop me understanding why people want newer cars.
all that said, if no-one bought brand new cars then we wouldn't be able to do what we think is the better option.
E38Ross said:
Fox- said:
Simonium said:
I would rather have my E60 530d for everyday use than an M5
No you wouldn't. We all say this but only because of fuel economy. If fuel was 5p a litre you wouldnt drive a 530d. Nobody in Dubai drives a 530d.Whether we care to admit it or not our car choices are almost always dominated by money. The diesel isnt better in the real world than an M5, its cheaper in the real world than an M5 and thats what it comes down to at the end of the day. We buy diesels instead of M5's because they cost less money.
sad, but true. other than in running costs, a 530d isn't better than an M5 in any way.
cue the "but it's got more low down torque" response
How anyone can compare a 520d to an M5 baffles me.
martin mrt said:
E38Ross said:
Fox- said:
Simonium said:
I would rather have my E60 530d for everyday use than an M5
No you wouldn't. We all say this but only because of fuel economy. If fuel was 5p a litre you wouldnt drive a 530d. Nobody in Dubai drives a 530d.Whether we care to admit it or not our car choices are almost always dominated by money. The diesel isnt better in the real world than an M5, its cheaper in the real world than an M5 and thats what it comes down to at the end of the day. We buy diesels instead of M5's because they cost less money.
sad, but true. other than in running costs, a 530d isn't better than an M5 in any way.
cue the "but it's got more low down torque" response
How anyone can compare a 520d to an M5 baffles me.
i would rather have the 760Li as a daily though. i just can't afford it
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