How much for a high spec 330d M Sport Touring at 170k miles?
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Not sure if this should be posted here but I am just about to advertise a 330d M Sport Touring that we have had from new (2006/56) It was bought for one of my sales guys who ordered most extras available at the time - metallic black, automatic, black leather, privacy glass, iDrive, xenon lights, professional navigation etc, etc.
He drove it for the first three years up to 120,000 miles, since then I have been using it whenever I need to go on a long run, ie up to Scotland and back in the same day. The car drives superbly and is now on 170,000 miles. It was bought from our local BMW dealer and has always been maintained by them (exceptionally well). It had the expensive Cat replaced at 150,000 miles and has also had a brand new steering wheel which was showing signs of wear. Last time it was serviced the technician thought he had misread the mileage ad could not believe that it drove so well.
How do we value this car? Trade guides knock it hard to about £6500-7000 with the high mileage, it really should be worth a fair bit more (£10,000?) as it is a totally genuine, well looked after car. The only high mileage ones advertised are normally base spec cars with little history. If anyone is interested, please let me know and I can get some photos to you.
He drove it for the first three years up to 120,000 miles, since then I have been using it whenever I need to go on a long run, ie up to Scotland and back in the same day. The car drives superbly and is now on 170,000 miles. It was bought from our local BMW dealer and has always been maintained by them (exceptionally well). It had the expensive Cat replaced at 150,000 miles and has also had a brand new steering wheel which was showing signs of wear. Last time it was serviced the technician thought he had misread the mileage ad could not believe that it drove so well.
How do we value this car? Trade guides knock it hard to about £6500-7000 with the high mileage, it really should be worth a fair bit more (£10,000?) as it is a totally genuine, well looked after car. The only high mileage ones advertised are normally base spec cars with little history. If anyone is interested, please let me know and I can get some photos to you.
Not that much really, I mean you're selling a car which to some people will appear to be near the end of its usable life, but 170k is nothing if well maintained.
Look at it from a buyers point of view,
170k
what is going to go wrong in the near future
what is going to need replacing
will I spend £6k and then lose a lot of it if the car dies
If the car dies, is it worth putting new engine/box what ever in it?
will I get money back come resale.
Personally I wouldn't pay over 2k for it, but that is just me as I know I would be the last owner and I would want a car that I could run into the ground, however I do agree, our E39 on 173k with BMW maintenance really doesn't drive like a 173k mile car.
Good luck with the sale, maybe take it to a dealer and see what they would give you part ex, then maybe add a bit more to it and sell privately?
Look at it from a buyers point of view,
170k
what is going to go wrong in the near future
what is going to need replacing
will I spend £6k and then lose a lot of it if the car dies
If the car dies, is it worth putting new engine/box what ever in it?
will I get money back come resale.
Personally I wouldn't pay over 2k for it, but that is just me as I know I would be the last owner and I would want a car that I could run into the ground, however I do agree, our E39 on 173k with BMW maintenance really doesn't drive like a 173k mile car.
Good luck with the sale, maybe take it to a dealer and see what they would give you part ex, then maybe add a bit more to it and sell privately?
tough one, because in reality 170k miles on the motorway is probably less wear and tear than 60k around town, yet most people don't understand this.
if i were you i'd probably just keep it and run it into the ground, if it's only ever doing long trips i can't imagine 250-300k miles would be any problems to it to be honest.
if i were you i'd probably just keep it and run it into the ground, if it's only ever doing long trips i can't imagine 250-300k miles would be any problems to it to be honest.
There will always be someone willing to buy it, but they will be few and far between.
I would put it up on ebay and provide a huge write up about it and put a reserve on that you would be happy with.
I have got a few of the bay and must admit i good write up, lots of pics, proof of servicing always get my interest over those which dont bother.
I would put it up on ebay and provide a huge write up about it and put a reserve on that you would be happy with.
I have got a few of the bay and must admit i good write up, lots of pics, proof of servicing always get my interest over those which dont bother.
It might look like a 10k car to you but ultimately how many people do you know that would be open to the idea of spending £10k on a car that has done 173k miles, regardless of the options.
People see £10k as an amount that should buy a car that still has the majority of its life ahead of it, and despite the advances in engine longevity it will no doubt need more work in the near future than a 80k 320d.
People see £10k as an amount that should buy a car that still has the majority of its life ahead of it, and despite the advances in engine longevity it will no doubt need more work in the near future than a 80k 320d.
mini1380cc said:
....despite the advances in engine longevity it will no doubt need more work in the near future than a 80k 320d.
totally depends on driving conditions. such high miles on a young car makes you think it's done loads of motorway miles. lots of miles cruising on an engine that's hot for a lot of the time. this is why taxis go for 3-400k miles without any problems at all. wear and tear occurs when the engine is cold, hardly any when it's hot.willing to bet you 80k with 50k town/30k motorway is more wear and tear than 10k town 160k motorway for example. also, if it's serviced at the same sort of mileage the oil will be fresher (15k miles on oil that's put through fewer heat cycles etc will be in better condition than that of a town car, for instance)
i know of an E39 530d which is soon to hit over 700k miles and the engine is still fine, it's only on its 2nd clutch if i remember correctly. it does about 80+k miles/year.
Ok fair point and I'm not one to disregard a high mileage BMW, however what I said still stands for the mindset of the lesser educated masses out there. Think of all those plonkers that genuinely think its time to visit the dealerships when a car hits 100k. They still exist!!
I'm sure he will shift the car but it needs to be priced so that it entices more than just those that aren't scared of high mileage.
I'm sure he will shift the car but it needs to be priced so that it entices more than just those that aren't scared of high mileage.
I'd spend a few quid making sure it was valeted and looking its best. Get loads of photos of the car and of all the service receipts. Stick it on autotrader or here or eBay and really go to town with in depth detail of all the service history and maintenance work so that potential buyers can see how meticulously it's been kept. I've spent a bit of time recently looking at this type of motor and just bought a 535d and there were quite a few of those with mega miles for sale not much cheaper than average miles cars. That doesn't mean they sold though. Personally I'd try a cheeky £7500 to £8000 and see what happens.
Thanks for all the advice. Will try and find time to put it on the websites next week. Somebody asked what it cost when new, the invoice was for £38,000. Incidentally, I don't think the car has ever had any problems at all, we have a much newer 320d Touring which has had masses of problems with clutch and gearbox issues.
I would estimate the value is somewhere between £4900-5500 if I was buying it I would check that the water, oil pumps, 02 sensors and turbo have been replaced/renewed otherwise I would offer no more than £4.5k.
As for the high mileage as mentioned by others it depends if its motorway miles or mostly around town this will have a huge bearing on the overall wear. As food for thought I have 185k miles on my supercharged 330i and it still drives like new, but it has been extremely well maintained during my ownership I brought it with 105k which was all motorway miles as it was orginally a lease car used by a sales manager.
Its the most luxurious and fastest vechicle I have owned to date which will leave e46 M3s for dead and still gets +35Mpg. Good luck with the sale.
As for the high mileage as mentioned by others it depends if its motorway miles or mostly around town this will have a huge bearing on the overall wear. As food for thought I have 185k miles on my supercharged 330i and it still drives like new, but it has been extremely well maintained during my ownership I brought it with 105k which was all motorway miles as it was orginally a lease car used by a sales manager.
Its the most luxurious and fastest vechicle I have owned to date which will leave e46 M3s for dead and still gets +35Mpg. Good luck with the sale.
It has purely been used for motorway trips, from Suffolk to Scotland and Wales most weeks. No problems with water pump or turbo etc so no point replacing them for the sake of it.
I think the only part that has needed replacing was the particulate filter and that was only because it shows a warning at about 140 or 150,000. The bill was about £1,200. Has always been maintained by the supplying dealer.
I think the only part that has needed replacing was the particulate filter and that was only because it shows a warning at about 140 or 150,000. The bill was about £1,200. Has always been maintained by the supplying dealer.
orbtar said:
It has purely been used for motorway trips, from Suffolk to Scotland and Wales most weeks. No problems with water pump or turbo etc so no point replacing them for the sake of it.
I think the only part that has needed replacing was the particulate filter and that was only because it shows a warning at about 140 or 150,000. The bill was about £1,200. Has always been maintained by the supplying dealer.
If your selling it then I understand why you would not want to spend more money on it.....from experience and a buyers perspective that's what I would be looking for.....I think the only part that has needed replacing was the particulate filter and that was only because it shows a warning at about 140 or 150,000. The bill was about £1,200. Has always been maintained by the supplying dealer.
My water pump bearing went 1500miles after buying the car the OEM bearings are a very common design fault simliar to the oil pump where the plastic paddle deteriorates and breaks away from the pump both extremely common issues on e46's non-m models. The later can have signifcant reprocussions i.e. new engine required due to oil depreviation.
All the best for the sale.
orbtar said:
Thanks. Surely as this car is not an E46 and is an M Sport model the issues with water pump are not relevant???
Soz but have not clicked that this is an e90/92? shape which changes everything, Yeah the price you stated sounds fair I would go high and see where you get too. Sorry for the confusion I saw the 330d and assumed it was an e46! obviously having a senior moment! 
some interior shots would go a long way, make sure in one of them you include the drivers seat (including the door-side bolster!!!!) maybe another of the engine bay too as well as a few more exterior shots.
with cars like these (high miles, or older cars which are tidier than the norm etc) the more photos the better, along with a very well written advert.
with cars like these (high miles, or older cars which are tidier than the norm etc) the more photos the better, along with a very well written advert.
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