Coupe 335i 330i or the d?
Discussion
I have a 330d e91 touring and it's been amazing. Wife has now got the bigger family car and I have a green light for a coupe.
I'm interested in going back to a petrol car even though I do 20k a year as I can have a fuel card.
Obviously new car, more power etc so I'm looking at 330i, 335i or 335d. What are the issues with these as I have heard isssues about the seals on the petrol versions.
I'm umtimately looking for reliability so any infor greatly received
I'm interested in going back to a petrol car even though I do 20k a year as I can have a fuel card.
Obviously new car, more power etc so I'm looking at 330i, 335i or 335d. What are the issues with these as I have heard isssues about the seals on the petrol versions.
I'm umtimately looking for reliability so any infor greatly received
cslwannabe said:
If you're after reliablilty I guess its the 330i...
Whats wrong with the 335d?I have owned my 335d for two and a half years now and have covered almost 40k miles in that time and have never ever had one fault or problem with it, a superbly reliable car. To be honest i havent heard of many problems with them either from other owners.
If petrol costs are not an issue then 335i ... but the reliability is not as good as the 330d or 335d.
I have a 330d (245ps LCI) and in the coupe it is great ... but only got it over the 335d as there were none available in the colour and spec I wanted.
The 330d manages an extra 6mpg ... not much but economy v performance when I pay for my own diesel was a consideration ...
I also found the 335d far too linear accelerating for my tastes so though quick it took the fun away a bit compared to the 330d.
The 335i is a superb car though and I do think in your position I would have great difficulty ignoring it
I have a 330d (245ps LCI) and in the coupe it is great ... but only got it over the 335d as there were none available in the colour and spec I wanted.
The 330d manages an extra 6mpg ... not much but economy v performance when I pay for my own diesel was a consideration ...
I also found the 335d far too linear accelerating for my tastes so though quick it took the fun away a bit compared to the 330d.
The 335i is a superb car though and I do think in your position I would have great difficulty ignoring it
cslwannabe said:
If you're after reliablilty I guess its the 330i...
Not if its a 57 plate or newer, these have the direct injection N53 engine which delivers fantastic economy but the reliability we've to expect from cars with high pressure injection systems.Personally I'd still buy the 335i or the 330i. The 335i has an absolutely fantastic engine which sounds fantastic and makes the car feel special. The 330i has a smooth, refined and very economical petrol six which perfectly suits the Coupe. The diesel is a diesel, a competent tool but you are buying a Coupe, so I'm guessing thats not what you want.
Ever so slightly off topic but I've been looking for a nearly new E92 335i and just can't believe the prices some dealers are asking!
I sold my M3 CS to a local independent last year and he said if I ever wanted a steer on values for cars I was looking to buy he'd help out. The latest copy of Glass's Guide had just landed when I phoned him earlier this week and retail for an 11-reg 335i Sport coupe is apparently circa £29k (and that assumes the car has DCT, sat-nav, leather and 19" alloys). Given that there are a number of 11-reg 335d Sports on the BMW website priced at £30,850 a value of £29k for a 335i of similar age and mileage seemed reasonable to me. However, when you take a look at the price of 11-reg 335i's on the BMW website the cheapest Sport with DCT is priced at £32k and some are as high as £37k (which is more than you'd pay for a brand new one with the same spec through someone like Broadspeed!).
My thought was perhaps these cars are priced high so dealers can give a generous part-ex but that's not the case either. I spoke to one dealer and there was no room for negotiation on their car - "it's already been reduced sir" - but they then proceeded to offer £1k below the Glass's Guide part-ex price for my 123d SE. Therefore, in his world large-engined petrol cars are making 15% more than book while a diesel is making correspondingly less; WTF?!
Needless to say I didn't do a deal but I really don't understand the pricing strategy of some of these main agents. The car I phoned about has been on the BMW website for over 2 months and has been reduced steadily from £37k down to £32k; therefore, I would thought someone coming along prepared to pay Glass's Guide retail for the car would have been music to their ears. However, it seems they'd prefer for it to continue to decorate their forecourt, presumably in the hope someone will eventually come along and pay an inflated price. I thought this was a time of year when dealers were supposed to be keen to move metal but it appears a number of BMW agents couldn't care less about selling cars; my powder will therefore remain dry until they take a reality pill or two!
I sold my M3 CS to a local independent last year and he said if I ever wanted a steer on values for cars I was looking to buy he'd help out. The latest copy of Glass's Guide had just landed when I phoned him earlier this week and retail for an 11-reg 335i Sport coupe is apparently circa £29k (and that assumes the car has DCT, sat-nav, leather and 19" alloys). Given that there are a number of 11-reg 335d Sports on the BMW website priced at £30,850 a value of £29k for a 335i of similar age and mileage seemed reasonable to me. However, when you take a look at the price of 11-reg 335i's on the BMW website the cheapest Sport with DCT is priced at £32k and some are as high as £37k (which is more than you'd pay for a brand new one with the same spec through someone like Broadspeed!).
My thought was perhaps these cars are priced high so dealers can give a generous part-ex but that's not the case either. I spoke to one dealer and there was no room for negotiation on their car - "it's already been reduced sir" - but they then proceeded to offer £1k below the Glass's Guide part-ex price for my 123d SE. Therefore, in his world large-engined petrol cars are making 15% more than book while a diesel is making correspondingly less; WTF?!
Needless to say I didn't do a deal but I really don't understand the pricing strategy of some of these main agents. The car I phoned about has been on the BMW website for over 2 months and has been reduced steadily from £37k down to £32k; therefore, I would thought someone coming along prepared to pay Glass's Guide retail for the car would have been music to their ears. However, it seems they'd prefer for it to continue to decorate their forecourt, presumably in the hope someone will eventually come along and pay an inflated price. I thought this was a time of year when dealers were supposed to be keen to move metal but it appears a number of BMW agents couldn't care less about selling cars; my powder will therefore remain dry until they take a reality pill or two!
JNW1 said:
Ever so slightly off topic but I've been looking for a nearly new E92 335i and just can't believe the prices some dealers are asking!
I sold my M3 CS to a local independent last year and he said if I ever wanted a steer on values for cars I was looking to buy he'd help out. The latest copy of Glass's Guide had just landed when I phoned him earlier this week and retail for an 11-reg 335i Sport coupe is apparently circa £29k (and that assumes the car has DCT, sat-nav, leather and 19" alloys). Given that there are a number of 11-reg 335d Sports on the BMW website priced at £30,850 a value of £29k for a 335i of similar age and mileage seemed reasonable to me. However, when you take a look at the price of 11-reg 335i's on the BMW website the cheapest Sport with DCT is priced at £32k and some are as high as £37k (which is more than you'd pay for a brand new one with the same spec through someone like Broadspeed!).
My thought was perhaps these cars are priced high so dealers can give a generous part-ex but that's not the case either. I spoke to one dealer and there was no room for negotiation on their car - "it's already been reduced sir" - but they then proceeded to offer £1k below the Glass's Guide part-ex price for my 123d SE. Therefore, in his world large-engined petrol cars are making 15% more than book while a diesel is making correspondingly less; WTF?!
Needless to say I didn't do a deal but I really don't understand the pricing strategy of some of these main agents. The car I phoned about has been on the BMW website for over 2 months and has been reduced steadily from £37k down to £32k; therefore, I would thought someone coming along prepared to pay Glass's Guide retail for the car would have been music to their ears. However, it seems they'd prefer for it to continue to decorate their forecourt, presumably in the hope someone will eventually come along and pay an inflated price. I thought this was a time of year when dealers were supposed to be keen to move metal but it appears a number of BMW agents couldn't care less about selling cars; my powder will therefore remain dry until they take a reality pill or two!
I wouldn't wind yourself up over it.I sold my M3 CS to a local independent last year and he said if I ever wanted a steer on values for cars I was looking to buy he'd help out. The latest copy of Glass's Guide had just landed when I phoned him earlier this week and retail for an 11-reg 335i Sport coupe is apparently circa £29k (and that assumes the car has DCT, sat-nav, leather and 19" alloys). Given that there are a number of 11-reg 335d Sports on the BMW website priced at £30,850 a value of £29k for a 335i of similar age and mileage seemed reasonable to me. However, when you take a look at the price of 11-reg 335i's on the BMW website the cheapest Sport with DCT is priced at £32k and some are as high as £37k (which is more than you'd pay for a brand new one with the same spec through someone like Broadspeed!).
My thought was perhaps these cars are priced high so dealers can give a generous part-ex but that's not the case either. I spoke to one dealer and there was no room for negotiation on their car - "it's already been reduced sir" - but they then proceeded to offer £1k below the Glass's Guide part-ex price for my 123d SE. Therefore, in his world large-engined petrol cars are making 15% more than book while a diesel is making correspondingly less; WTF?!
Needless to say I didn't do a deal but I really don't understand the pricing strategy of some of these main agents. The car I phoned about has been on the BMW website for over 2 months and has been reduced steadily from £37k down to £32k; therefore, I would thought someone coming along prepared to pay Glass's Guide retail for the car would have been music to their ears. However, it seems they'd prefer for it to continue to decorate their forecourt, presumably in the hope someone will eventually come along and pay an inflated price. I thought this was a time of year when dealers were supposed to be keen to move metal but it appears a number of BMW agents couldn't care less about selling cars; my powder will therefore remain dry until they take a reality pill or two!
If you don't agree with the price, offer what you think is reasonable and be prepared to walk away.
Dealers have a number of factors to consider when pricing a car, what it owes them, how long it's been on the forecourt etc.
There is a huge variation in prices at the moment. Cars with 40k on the clock listed at the same price as those with 20k.
Just keep your eye on the price watch in come down and then pounce.
Bubba Zanetti said:
I wouldn't wind yourself up over it.
If you don't agree with the price, offer what you think is reasonable and be prepared to walk away.
Dealers have a number of factors to consider when pricing a car, what it owes them, how long it's been on the forecourt etc.
There is a huge variation in prices at the moment. Cars with 40k on the clock listed at the same price as those with 20k.
Just keep your eye on the price watch in come down and then pounce.
My strategy (if you can call it that!) is pretty much what you're suggesting. I'm prepared to pay Glass's Guide retail for what I'm buying if I get Glass's Guide part-ex for my car and if a deal doesn't give what I consider to be a reasonable cost to change based around those figures I'll walk away (as I did earlier in the week). I do accept that the figures in Glass's Guide are only that (i.e. a guide) and I wouldn't lose a car I wanted just because the numbers weren't exactly in line; however, the figures I've been quoted are literally thousands adrift and I'm not playing ball at that! If you don't agree with the price, offer what you think is reasonable and be prepared to walk away.
Dealers have a number of factors to consider when pricing a car, what it owes them, how long it's been on the forecourt etc.
There is a huge variation in prices at the moment. Cars with 40k on the clock listed at the same price as those with 20k.
Just keep your eye on the price watch in come down and then pounce.
Bezerk said:
If you can afford the N55 335i then go for that. Fuel economy isn't too bad, especially with the 7 speed DCT gearbox.
I am getting 24mpg urban now.
Depends on the running you do but I suspect the difference in fuel consumption between a 335i and a 335d is nothing like as much in normal driving as the official figures would have you believe. I doubt you'd see over 40mpg out of the diesel unless you were driving gently (in which case why have the 335d?) whereas a 335i will almost certainly match or exceed the combined figure on a run without driving for economy. The diesel will still be better but my guess is that the advantage will be closer to 5mpg rather than the 9mpg plus suggested by the official figures; not enough to tip the balance in favour of the diesel for me but each to their own!I am getting 24mpg urban now.
Fox- said:
I was very impressed with the fuel consumption of my 335i. It was as near as makes no difference the same as my 530i, despite having some 70bhp more power.
So, that was 20mpg around town, 37mpg on a steady run at the speed limit on the Motorway.
My working assumption is that a 335i with the later N55 engine and DCT should be capable of at least matching the combined figure on a run (which means something over 33mpg). However, I would be expecting to achieve that driving normally rather than for economy and to me that means cruising on a motorway at more like the low 80's than 70mph, using the acceleration as and when needed to get into gaps, etc. Driven in that way my old M3 consistently beat the combined figure by 10% whereas the two diesels I've had both fell way short of their respected combined figures when treated in the same way; this is why I feel that, in my hands at least, a 335d wouldn't actually be that much better on fuel than a 335i....So, that was 20mpg around town, 37mpg on a steady run at the speed limit on the Motorway.
JNW1 said:
My working assumption is that a 335i with the later N55 engine and DCT should be capable of at least matching the combined figure on a run (which means something over 33mpg). However, I would be expecting to achieve that driving normally rather than for economy and to me that means cruising on a motorway at more like the low 80's than 70mph, using the acceleration as and when needed to get into gaps, etc. Driven in that way my old M3 consistently beat the combined figure by 10% whereas the two diesels I've had both fell way short of their respected combined figures when treated in the same way; this is why I feel that, in my hands at least, a 335d wouldn't actually be that much better on fuel than a 335i....
I agree with you - the combined is a sensible target. The combined of my 335i was 30mpg, and I've no doubt that should I have chosen 80+ as a cruise speed it'd still have topped that.Fox- said:
I agree with you - the combined is a sensible target. The combined of my 335i was 30mpg, and I've no doubt that should I have chosen 80+ as a cruise speed it'd still have topped that.
Thanks for that, "all" I need to do now is find a car that's with a dealer who's prepared to talk sensible numbers; didn't think that would be too difficult on a large-engined petrol car but how wrong can you be?!! In a few days alot has changed, no new e92 coupe for me 
We just partex'd my 2006 e91 330d touring for a 2010 Octavia VRS estate, fully loaded with heated seats, sat nav, bluetooth, ipod, parking beep beeps, only 28k on the clock, DSG and 2.0T petrol lump. Its alot of car, got a good deal with 2 years warranty/servicing/mot and 6 months tax for £15k which is 5k less than the equivalant coupe i was considering.
This will be the Mrs's car, i have 8k to get a e46 coupe/saloon and im going straight for a 330i (easy choice)
We just partex'd my 2006 e91 330d touring for a 2010 Octavia VRS estate, fully loaded with heated seats, sat nav, bluetooth, ipod, parking beep beeps, only 28k on the clock, DSG and 2.0T petrol lump. Its alot of car, got a good deal with 2 years warranty/servicing/mot and 6 months tax for £15k which is 5k less than the equivalant coupe i was considering.
This will be the Mrs's car, i have 8k to get a e46 coupe/saloon and im going straight for a 330i (easy choice)
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