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Just read the review in Autocar where it beats the new M5. Looking at the stats it seems the performance figures are near identical to a DMS 535d, so does the Alpina offer a much improved driving experience/ownership over a remapped 535d ?
got to admit I'm very tempted but no discounts and the thought of starting the depreciation cycle again is slightly putting me off. Looks lovely though.
got to admit I'm very tempted but no discounts and the thought of starting the depreciation cycle again is slightly putting me off. Looks lovely though.
I thought of you when I read that!! haha
Although no discounts they hold their value far better.
535d sports are only £5k cheaper with the same spec. someone on the Alpina forum said, year old 535d sports can now be had with around £15k off list already, where as a 3 year old D5's will still be £35k+ I reckon.
Although no discounts they hold their value far better.
535d sports are only £5k cheaper with the same spec. someone on the Alpina forum said, year old 535d sports can now be had with around £15k off list already, where as a 3 year old D5's will still be £35k+ I reckon.
gizlaroc said:
I thought of you when I read that!! haha
Although no discounts they hold their value far better.
535d sports are only £5k cheaper with the same spec. someone on the Alpina forum said, year old 535d sports can now be had with around £15k off list already, where as a 3 year old D5's will still be £35k+ I reckon.
The thing is Guy with doing 30k per year any new car I buy will get hammered. They offered me £22000 for my fully loaded 520d touring with 30000 on it and it's still less than a year old. I think i paid around £39000 for it with a good discount. It's too good a car to let go for that money so my mother or my wife would have it.Although no discounts they hold their value far better.
535d sports are only £5k cheaper with the same spec. someone on the Alpina forum said, year old 535d sports can now be had with around £15k off list already, where as a 3 year old D5's will still be £35k+ I reckon.
Ideally I'd like a used vehicle but you know I like my toys ....
t.gizlaroc said:
I thought of you when I read that!! haha
Although no discounts they hold their value far better.
535d sports are only £5k cheaper with the same spec. someone on the Alpina forum said, year old 535d sports can now be had with around £15k off list already, where as a 3 year old D5's will still be £35k+ I reckon.
Unfortunately, Alpinas dont hold their value very well. A 3yr d5 might retail at £35k+ but just try and trade one in. The only dealers that tend to want them are Sytners and they know this so bid accordingly. Although no discounts they hold their value far better.
535d sports are only £5k cheaper with the same spec. someone on the Alpina forum said, year old 535d sports can now be had with around £15k off list already, where as a 3 year old D5's will still be £35k+ I reckon.
A mate of mine had a brand new b3 that cost the thick end of £50k new, no discount allowed. Best bid was £17k 3 yrs later with 35k on the clock!
Aeroresh said:
Unfortunately, Alpinas dont hold their value very well. A 3yr d5 might retail at £35k+ but just try and trade one in. The only dealers that tend to want them are Sytners and they know this so bid accordingly.
A mate of mine had a brand new b3 that cost the thick end of £50k new, no discount allowed. Best bid was £17k 3 yrs later with 35k on the clock!
There's not exactly a glut of 3 year old B3s on the market for £17k. Did he let it go for that?A mate of mine had a brand new b3 that cost the thick end of £50k new, no discount allowed. Best bid was £17k 3 yrs later with 35k on the clock!
where does it say it beats it?
Online review said this said:
What’s it like?
On the road you can tell that the D5 has been touched by Alpina’s magicians pretty much from the moment it starts to move. The car’s standard fit electronic dampers have been retuned to offer a far wider variety of set ups, so Comfort + offers a more soothing ride than in a regular 5-series, while at the other extreme Sport + becomes firmer and more aggressive.
In any of its settings, however, the D5 somehow manages to feel fluid and in tune with the road in a way that the standard car never quite replicates. Partly that’s down to the tyres, which are non-runflat Michelin Pilot Supersports (the same as those fitted to the M5); partly it’s a result of Alpina’s retuning of the springs and dampers. Either way, it enables the D5 to glide along UK roads in a way that the 535D (which forms the basis for the D5) can’t compete with.
And what separates the D5 even more obviously, not just from a 535d but any other car we’ve ever driven with a diesel engine beneath its bonnet, is what happens when you put your foot down and hold it there. The initial response isn’t quite in the same league as an M5, as the 2993cc straight six takes a great big breath through its two turbos before the moment of the truth arrives. But when it does, wow, the D5 lunges towards the horizon as if it’s being dragged there by a higher force.
Should I buy one?
The flood of torque, allied to the speed with which the eight-speed Switchtronic gearbox (also retuned by Alpina) picks off gears provides the D5 with a unique style of performance, one that in its way feels every bit as monstrous as what’s on offer in the latest M5. And it does 47mpg.
Says its not in the same league as M5 when driving it.On the road you can tell that the D5 has been touched by Alpina’s magicians pretty much from the moment it starts to move. The car’s standard fit electronic dampers have been retuned to offer a far wider variety of set ups, so Comfort + offers a more soothing ride than in a regular 5-series, while at the other extreme Sport + becomes firmer and more aggressive.
In any of its settings, however, the D5 somehow manages to feel fluid and in tune with the road in a way that the standard car never quite replicates. Partly that’s down to the tyres, which are non-runflat Michelin Pilot Supersports (the same as those fitted to the M5); partly it’s a result of Alpina’s retuning of the springs and dampers. Either way, it enables the D5 to glide along UK roads in a way that the 535D (which forms the basis for the D5) can’t compete with.
And what separates the D5 even more obviously, not just from a 535d but any other car we’ve ever driven with a diesel engine beneath its bonnet, is what happens when you put your foot down and hold it there. The initial response isn’t quite in the same league as an M5, as the 2993cc straight six takes a great big breath through its two turbos before the moment of the truth arrives. But when it does, wow, the D5 lunges towards the horizon as if it’s being dragged there by a higher force.
Should I buy one?
The flood of torque, allied to the speed with which the eight-speed Switchtronic gearbox (also retuned by Alpina) picks off gears provides the D5 with a unique style of performance, one that in its way feels every bit as monstrous as what’s on offer in the latest M5. And it does 47mpg.
Du1point8 said:
where does it say it beats it?
Autocar said:
When the trade off is 18mpg versus 39mpg if our test averages are anything to go by... how much more performance do you really need? Especially when the D5 feels more than fast enough in isolation or, indeed, compared with most other cars that have four seats and a decent boot.
And that's before we come back to the M5's ride comfort issues, or its shorter 236 mile-shorter touring range, its less special feeling interior, its oddly unresolved steering and, most glaring of all in this instance its price. Add this lot up, stack them in a pile and there's oh one logical conclusion to draw I'm afraid - that the D5 wins, and wins easily. The head rules the heart in this case and, in the process a little piece of your heart gets broken
I agree it's a silly notion though - "beats" on what criteria? And that's before we come back to the M5's ride comfort issues, or its shorter 236 mile-shorter touring range, its less special feeling interior, its oddly unresolved steering and, most glaring of all in this instance its price. Add this lot up, stack them in a pile and there's oh one logical conclusion to draw I'm afraid - that the D5 wins, and wins easily. The head rules the heart in this case and, in the process a little piece of your heart gets broken
For some people a 5 year old Focus "beats" an M5 - economy, purchase price, running costs but I'd know which i'd have!
0a said:
Du1point8 said:
where does it say it beats it?
Autocar said:
When the trade off is 18mpg versus 39mpg if our test averages are anything to go by... how much more performance do you really need? Especially when the D5 feels more than fast enough in isolation or, indeed, compared with most other cars that have four seats and a decent boot.
And that's before we come back to the M5's ride comfort issues, or its shorter 236 mile-shorter touring range, its less special feeling interior, its oddly unresolved steering and, most glaring of all in this instance its price. Add this lot up, stack them in a pile and there's oh one logical conclusion to draw I'm afraid - that the D5 wins, and wins easily. The head rules the heart in this case and, in the process a little piece of your heart gets broken
I agree it's a silly notion though - "beats" on what criteria? And that's before we come back to the M5's ride comfort issues, or its shorter 236 mile-shorter touring range, its less special feeling interior, its oddly unresolved steering and, most glaring of all in this instance its price. Add this lot up, stack them in a pile and there's oh one logical conclusion to draw I'm afraid - that the D5 wins, and wins easily. The head rules the heart in this case and, in the process a little piece of your heart gets broken
For some people a 5 year old Focus "beats" an M5 - economy, purchase price, running costs but I'd know which i'd have!
http://www.autocar.co.uk/www.autocar.co.uk/CarRevi...
Unless Im looking at the wrong website.
Du1point8 said:
strange its almost 2 different reviews for auto car if that is in the magazine:
http://www.autocar.co.uk/www.autocar.co.uk/CarRevi...
Unless Im looking at the wrong website.
Apologies I believe this is only in the print copy which is a head to head between M5 and D5. I think the next issue comes out on Wednesday so if you want a copy make sure you find one before then. http://www.autocar.co.uk/www.autocar.co.uk/CarRevi...
Unless Im looking at the wrong website.
Will the idiots please read the review.
The M5 obviously beats the D5 in performance (acceleration, cornering etc), no-one is disputing that.
However the conclusion is that given the massively better fuel economy (18mpg tested vs 47mpg), the close performance (unless the M5 is really driven to the redline) and the lower price, that in todays world the D5 does beat the M5 as an overall proposition for most people.
The M5 obviously beats the D5 in performance (acceleration, cornering etc), no-one is disputing that.
However the conclusion is that given the massively better fuel economy (18mpg tested vs 47mpg), the close performance (unless the M5 is really driven to the redline) and the lower price, that in todays world the D5 does beat the M5 as an overall proposition for most people.
Guyr said:
However the conclusion is that given the massively better fuel economy (18mpg tested vs 47mpg),
no way there is such difference in the same conditions, 550dx did 20mpg on autobahn, I know its at relatively high speed but the quarter mile runs and constant accelerating/braking usually suck even more fuelbtw I thought Vialle or Prins already did LPG systems for DI engines but it seems its only for VAG concern (for whatever reason), however you can still buy <10000 miles E60 and throw a huge LPG tank in trunk for that price, and keep the V10 sound, hell the G-Power did the LPG conversion of bisupercharged M5 E60...for quite a price but still
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