E90 335d - blue smoke
E90 335d - blue smoke
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Vee

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3,109 posts

264 months

Monday 16th February 2015
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My 118k mikes 335d has over the past week started with a large puff of blue smoke.
This is only on start up after being left for a couple of hours. No blue on revving it once started.

The car has had new glow plugs and controller about 15k miles ago, also had the DPF cleaned 4k mikes ago the red intercooler hose is covered in oil at the moment. Has probably been like that for 6 months.

Am I looking at a turbo problem here ?

xxChrisxx

538 posts

151 months

Monday 16th February 2015
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Blue smoke only only on a cold start is more likely to be valve stem seals.

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

228 months

Tuesday 17th February 2015
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Get it to BMW Dealer to check it - you do not want to be burning oil through CATS that will kill them in no time and they are not cheap to replace!

Good luck hopefully a cheap fix

Vee

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3,109 posts

264 months

Wednesday 11th March 2015
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Thanks to those that contributed.
Even with the warmer weather this blue smoke still exists.
Can has gone through roughly a litre of oil (assuming that that is the difference between min and max on the dipstick) in the past 2k miles.
Spoke to my usual indy earlier and he suspects a turbo problem but cannot look at it for another week.
Will update when the diagnosis is in !

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

228 months

Wednesday 11th March 2015
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Vee said:
Thanks to those that contributed.
Even with the warmer weather this blue smoke still exists.
Can has gone through roughly a litre of oil (assuming that that is the difference between min and max on the dipstick) in the past 2k miles.
Spoke to my usual indy earlier and he suspects a turbo problem but cannot look at it for another week.
Will update when the diagnosis is in !
Ouch that's not normal at all.

Both of my BMWs have not used any oil in over 60k miles

roofer

5,136 posts

241 months

Wednesday 11th March 2015
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That's using a lot of oil for it to be valve stem seals/guides. Mine had 160k on it and used to puff blue in the morning, so I sold it .

I would suspect a turbo, with the DPF and cats absorbing the worst of it once engine is hot.

Vee

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3,109 posts

264 months

Thursday 12th March 2015
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roofer said:
That's using a lot of oil for it to be valve stem seals/guides. Mine had 160k on it and used to puff blue in the morning, so I sold it .

I would suspect a turbo, with the DPF and cats absorbing the worst of it once engine is hot.
Damn..
Need to use it 50 miles daily as well so leaving it parked up until the Indy can sort it is not an option.
It had the dpf cleaned 6 months ago.
Thanks - I think I may have to trade it in earlier than I thought.

helix402

7,913 posts

212 months

Thursday 12th March 2015
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How old are the air filter and the crankcase breather?

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

228 months

Thursday 12th March 2015
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Vee said:
Damn..
Need to use it 50 miles daily as well so leaving it parked up until the Indy can sort it is not an option.
It had the dpf cleaned 6 months ago.
Thanks - I think I may have to trade it in earlier than I thought.
Get a price to fix as that will give you another 160k miles life and also increase its market value/not materially reduce it.
What would it cost? £1-1.3k for a car with all else good... You'd lose far more than that flogging a needing work car

Trailhead

2,628 posts

177 months

Thursday 12th March 2015
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Welshbeef said:
Get a price to fix as that will give you another 160k miles life and also increase its market value/not materially reduce it.
What would it cost? £1-1.3k for a car with all else good... You'd lose far more than that flogging a needing work car
Only if he told them!

Vee

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3,109 posts

264 months

Thursday 12th March 2015
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helix402 said:
How old are the air filter and the crankcase breather?
Air filter changed just before Christmas (4 months ago).
Crankcase breather not done. It's a vortex type on these afaik.

@WB £1k I can deal with but if it is turbo plus cat and dpf it is going to be a lot more than that.

Trailhead

2,628 posts

177 months

Thursday 12th March 2015
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Welshbeef said:
Get a price to fix as that will give you another 160k miles life and also increase its market value/not materially reduce it.
What would it cost? £1-1.3k for a car with all else good... You'd lose far more than that flogging a needing work car
Only if he told them!

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

228 months

Thursday 12th March 2015
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Trailhead said:
Welshbeef said:
Get a price to fix as that will give you another 160k miles life and also increase its market value/not materially reduce it.
What would it cost? £1-1.3k for a car with all else good... You'd lose far more than that flogging a needing work car
Only if he told them!
So knowingly sell a car with an expensive fault at a price which would imply its a good example..... I'd never contemplate doing that and would assume PHers wouldn't either unless devious.

Trailhead

2,628 posts

177 months

Thursday 12th March 2015
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Welshbeef said:
Trailhead said:
Welshbeef said:
Get a price to fix as that will give you another 160k miles life and also increase its market value/not materially reduce it.
What would it cost? £1-1.3k for a car with all else good... You'd lose far more than that flogging a needing work car
Only if he told them!
So knowingly sell a car with an expensive fault at a price which would imply its a good example..... I'd never contemplate doing that and would assume PHers wouldn't either unless devious.
You've obviously never traded a car in before then....

Dealers don't care about faults or even ask about them. The car will be heading straight to auction.

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

228 months

Thursday 12th March 2015
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Trailhead said:
You've obviously never traded a car in before then....

Dealers don't care about faults or even ask about them. The car will be heading straight to auction.
As it turns out when I've never been in a position to need to change a car when something failed on it as such whatever bit needing replacing was so when the cars were traded in no issue.

Also from memory most have been sold with near on full MOT, fairly recently serviced and very healthy tyres - I don't run a car with less than 3mm.

Have sold previous cars to friends family & traded in knowing they were very well looked after.

Vee

Original Poster:

3,109 posts

264 months

Tuesday 7th April 2015
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Just to come back to this in case it helps anyone in the future.

The car was in a couple of weeks ago.
They suspected that a couple of faulty glow plugs were causing incomplete combustion and smoke on startup - these were changed under warranty.
The red intercooler hose which had been covered in oil for some time was also changed.

Smoke on start up has gone completely, and the power is back too.

Whilst it was there I also had the rear shocks, a ball joint and arms replaced. Expensive to do in relation to the value of the car but I plan on keeping it for another 12 months/20k miles and it is so much more comfortable and composed now.

I love my Indy ! - well known in BMW circles . . . in Amersham, Bucks.

magnum555

473 posts

189 months

Tuesday 7th April 2015
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That's great news OP, glad it wasn't anything major. Thanks for the update.

smashy

3,108 posts

188 months

Tuesday 7th April 2015
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Good news Vee ,which warranty company do you use ???

Vee

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3,109 posts

264 months

Tuesday 7th April 2015
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smashy said:
Good news Vee ,which warranty company do you use ???
I don't warranty it.
CPC changed all the glow plugs and module a year ago and replaced the 2 of those which failed 11 months later (few weeks ago).


smashy

3,108 posts

188 months

Tuesday 7th April 2015
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Vee said:
I don't warranty it.
CPC changed all the glow plugs and module a year ago and replaced the 2 of those which failed 11 months later (few weeks ago).
ah ,thanks for response