Best Tyres for M135i
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Morning all. I have an M135i with 18s that needs two new rear tyres. Having had a look around, clearly the Michelin Pilot Super Sports are the most expensive. As I am buying two, if I was to go with the cheaper Goodyear Eagle F1 asymmetric 3, I would save about sixty quid. The Goodyears do get some good write-ups online and seem to score better than the Super Sports for wet grip (important), fuel consumption (not a major concern) and road noise (again, not a real issue).
I have also seen some Uniroyal Rainsport 3 which would save me £80 over the Michelins and also get good reviews. Not being a tyre expert, these are not a brand I am familiar with and I wondered if it was false economy to go for the cheaper tyres as their performance may be much worse.
To give an idea of the driving I do, I have a 12 mile round trip to work daily, mostly city based, with occasional more fun stuff in the Peak District at the weekends.
I have also seen some Uniroyal Rainsport 3 which would save me £80 over the Michelins and also get good reviews. Not being a tyre expert, these are not a brand I am familiar with and I wondered if it was false economy to go for the cheaper tyres as their performance may be much worse.
To give an idea of the driving I do, I have a 12 mile round trip to work daily, mostly city based, with occasional more fun stuff in the Peak District at the weekends.
Latters said:
Morning all. I have an M135i with 18s that needs two new rear tyres. Having had a look around, clearly the Michelin Pilot Super Sports are the most expensive. As I am buying two, if I was to go with the cheaper Goodyear Eagle F1 asymmetric 3, I would save about sixty quid. The Goodyears do get some good write-ups online and seem to score better than the Super Sports for wet grip (important), fuel consumption (not a major concern) and road noise (again, not a real issue).
I have also seen some Uniroyal Rainsport 3 which would save me £80 over the Michelins and also get good reviews. Not being a tyre expert, these are not a brand I am familiar with and I wondered if it was false economy to go for the cheaper tyres as their performance may be much worse.
To give an idea of the driving I do, I have a 12 mile round trip to work daily, mostly city based, with occasional more fun stuff in the Peak District at the weekends.
I don't know the other tyres, you're considering. I have also seen some Uniroyal Rainsport 3 which would save me £80 over the Michelins and also get good reviews. Not being a tyre expert, these are not a brand I am familiar with and I wondered if it was false economy to go for the cheaper tyres as their performance may be much worse.
To give an idea of the driving I do, I have a 12 mile round trip to work daily, mostly city based, with occasional more fun stuff in the Peak District at the weekends.
BUT :-
Are the Michelin Pilot Sport 4 , still cheaper than the Michelin Pilot Supersports?
http://www.michelin.co.uk/tyres/michelin-pilot-spo...
For my 335i I first had the Supersports, on 19s.
Great, but when I kept my 17s winter wheels on I tried the Pilot Sport 4.
These weren't the replacement for the Supersports as I think they were aimed for rims other than 19s, at least at the time.
They were, however, better in terms of all grip, wore better and were cheaper.
The Pilot Sport 4S replaces the Supersport, so I guess they're more expensive still
But in my experience, all Michelins last longer than the other brands I've had on the same cars.
So it might be false economy to pay less.
Smuler said:
I don't know the other tyres, you're considering.
BUT :-
Are the Michelin Pilot Sport 4 , still cheaper than the Michelin Pilot Supersports?
http://www.michelin.co.uk/tyres/michelin-pilot-spo...
For my 335i I first had the Supersports, on 19s.
Great, but when I kept my 17s winter wheels on I tried the Pilot Sport 4.
These weren't the replacement for the Supersports as I think they were aimed for rims other than 19s, at least at the time.
They were, however, better in terms of all grip, wore better and were cheaper.
The Pilot Sport 4S replaces the Supersport, so I guess they're more expensive still
But in my experience, all Michelins last longer than the other brands I've had on the same cars.
So it might be false economy to pay less.
Thanks. I've had a look on the link you gave but they don't seem to do a 245 35 R18. I will bear in mind the comment re. Michelins lasting longer, though.BUT :-
Are the Michelin Pilot Sport 4 , still cheaper than the Michelin Pilot Supersports?
http://www.michelin.co.uk/tyres/michelin-pilot-spo...
For my 335i I first had the Supersports, on 19s.
Great, but when I kept my 17s winter wheels on I tried the Pilot Sport 4.
These weren't the replacement for the Supersports as I think they were aimed for rims other than 19s, at least at the time.
They were, however, better in terms of all grip, wore better and were cheaper.
The Pilot Sport 4S replaces the Supersport, so I guess they're more expensive still
But in my experience, all Michelins last longer than the other brands I've had on the same cars.
So it might be false economy to pay less.
To give an idea of cost I've been looking on BlackCircles.com. The Michelins are about £160 each (BMW wanted £220 so I politely declined), the Goodyears are £130 each and the Uniroyal ones are £120. These costs are all fitted.
Crafty_ said:
PS4S isn't available in 18" so that isn't an option.
I have read good things about the ASY3 on babybmw.net, no personal experience.
I don't think the Uniroyal is in the same class to be honest.
I assumed as much regarding the Uniroyals for a couple of reasons. One being the price and the other being that I'd never heard of them. I have read good things about the ASY3 on babybmw.net, no personal experience.
I don't think the Uniroyal is in the same class to be honest.
I'm more than happy to go for the Michelins if they genuinely are the best ones. After all, if I wasn't as fussed over performance and just wanted to pay less I'd have bought a Kia C'eed. I just want to know I'm getting value in what I'm buying.
Latters said:
I assumed as much regarding the Uniroyals for a couple of reasons. One being the price and the other being that I'd never heard of them.
I'm more than happy to go for the Michelins if they genuinely are the best ones. After all, if I wasn't as fussed over performance and just wanted to pay less I'd have bought a Kia C'eed. I just want to know I'm getting value in what I'm buying.
I've put in your tyres sizes too.I'm more than happy to go for the Michelins if they genuinely are the best ones. After all, if I wasn't as fussed over performance and just wanted to pay less I'd have bought a Kia C'eed. I just want to know I'm getting value in what I'm buying.
I'm really surprised the Pilot Sport 4 is not available on an 18, on your size
Not so much with the Pilot Sport 4S as I think these are for 19s only.
I note on blackcircles, for Continental, they only had the continental 5s available. I had the Continental 5Ps on my M3, good but no way as as good as the Michelins. But the 5s (i.e. no P) I had on an old (ordinary) E46, they were awful for wear and wet grip. So it looks like Continental is one to avoid too.
Whilst I did prefer the Pilot Sport 4 to the Pilot Supersport, in your position and at those prices I wouldn't hesitate going for Michelin Pilot Super Sports, as they're better than any other brand I've used on my two decent cars, the 335i and M3; which I guess equate to your M135i.
I'm sure I've read Michelin claim 20 or 30% better wear, well I'd get that easily compared to the Continental 5s.
Check if going for Michelin that there's no fuel card offer on, I know when I bought my Pilot Supersports I got 75£ at least back in fuel. It's less for 2 and less for 18s, but it might be something ; you claim via Michelin so any 'official' tyre seller can sell them to you.
I'll say more later. If it were me I'd get the following in this order
MPSS
MPS4
Goodyear F1 A3
All of those would be very closely group. The F1s might just win it.
If you want to go cheaper the Falken FK453s are not a bad shout. But IMO the MPS4s will work out cheaper in the long run.
My FK453s barely did 8,000 miles on the back of the M3. I was shocked and annoyed ; it's not like they are a cheap tyre.
MPSS
MPS4
Goodyear F1 A3
All of those would be very closely group. The F1s might just win it.
If you want to go cheaper the Falken FK453s are not a bad shout. But IMO the MPS4s will work out cheaper in the long run.
My FK453s barely did 8,000 miles on the back of the M3. I was shocked and annoyed ; it's not like they are a cheap tyre.
I have a m135i with mpss all round. They are fantastic in th dry but they break traction far to easy in the wet and cold conditions. I'm undecided what to go for next but think the asy3 is probably a better all weather tyre which is a consideration with the English weather and the fact it's cold and wet at least 6-8 months of the year.
Maybe mp4s will be available in the correct size when I next need to order tyres.
Maybe mp4s will be available in the correct size when I next need to order tyres.
Thanks for the advice all. It seems like there isn't a real "right" answer. I'll probably end up going for the Pilot Super Sports, or the Pilot Sport 4s as a compromise. If they last longer than other brands then they should payback in the long run. Plus, if I decide to trade it in whilst they're still on there, Sytner Sheffield might be a bit more lenient with the trade in value if it's got four "proper" tyres on.
The Super Sports are £160 each fitted on BlackCircles, plus you can get a bit back if you do it through TopCashback.com. Every little helps and all that!
The Super Sports are £160 each fitted on BlackCircles, plus you can get a bit back if you do it through TopCashback.com. Every little helps and all that!
Don't put Rain Sport 3's on it.
Mine has them on the rear (fitted by the previous owner) and whilst they are a decent performing tyre in the dry & wet, they have fairly soft sidewalls so under hard acceleration the rear of the car does this weird wobble. Bumping up the pressured to 40psi helped a bit but it's still there.
I want to replace them for MPSS (has them on the front) but the Rain Sport 3's are brand new so I'm loathed to change them.
Mine has them on the rear (fitted by the previous owner) and whilst they are a decent performing tyre in the dry & wet, they have fairly soft sidewalls so under hard acceleration the rear of the car does this weird wobble. Bumping up the pressured to 40psi helped a bit but it's still there.
I want to replace them for MPSS (has them on the front) but the Rain Sport 3's are brand new so I'm loathed to change them.
Bit of an update on this one. I went with the Michelin Pilot Super Sports. I managed to get two for £320 which wasn't too painful. Anyway, I was really happy with the tyres. Good grip, negligible road noise. Happy days; or so I thought.
On Thursday evening, I pulled out of the petrol station and my tyre pressure warning light came on saying the rear left tyre pressure was low. As I'd driven out onto a one way road I was unable to get back in, so carefully drove home where, lo and behold, I found a screw in my lovely new bit of expensive rubber. It was too near to the edge to repair as well.
A trip to BMW on Friday (via the local Halfords Auto Centre and 1st Choice tyres who didn't have any in stock and couldn't fit any time soon) and I am now a further £220 down. Why do these things always pick the most inconvenient times to happen?!
On Thursday evening, I pulled out of the petrol station and my tyre pressure warning light came on saying the rear left tyre pressure was low. As I'd driven out onto a one way road I was unable to get back in, so carefully drove home where, lo and behold, I found a screw in my lovely new bit of expensive rubber. It was too near to the edge to repair as well.
A trip to BMW on Friday (via the local Halfords Auto Centre and 1st Choice tyres who didn't have any in stock and couldn't fit any time soon) and I am now a further £220 down. Why do these things always pick the most inconvenient times to happen?!
Latters said:
I found a screw in my lovely new bit of expensive rubber. It was too near to the edge to repair as well....... Why do these things always pick the most inconvenient times to happen?!
I've picked up 2 screws in 2 different tyres in the last month and half. And these have gone straight through the tread portion of the tyre. The MPSS's are grippy. Downside is this happens. And without a space saver its a pain.Has anyone tried Hankook? I bought a M135i and it has a set on the rear. I’m not sure if it’s down to the temp and/or tire but grip isn’t great right now.
My preference is MPSS but as they tires have only a small amount of wear I’m not sure if it’s just the conditions or if the tires are hopeless and I should just change them now?
My preference is MPSS but as they tires have only a small amount of wear I’m not sure if it’s just the conditions or if the tires are hopeless and I should just change them now?
Scobblelotcher said:
Has anyone tried Hankook? I bought a M135i and it has a set on the rear. I’m not sure if it’s down to the temp and/or tire but grip isn’t great right now.
My preference is MPSS but as they tires have only a small amount of wear I’m not sure if it’s just the conditions or if the tires are hopeless and I should just change them now?
They're meant to be good, but they are not much cheaper for the decent Hankooks than the big boy brands.My preference is MPSS but as they tires have only a small amount of wear I’m not sure if it’s just the conditions or if the tires are hopeless and I should just change them now?
It's the conditions. MPSSs are hopeless in these conditions! MPS4 and 4S are better.
FWIW I believe this is how the hierarchy goes for Michelin
MPS4S - As good as the MPS4, maybe a little better. Coming from Fk452s they felt like a revelation even taking the first roundabout after fitting them!
MPSS - Needs no introduction ; Can be interesting when cold
MPS4 - A superb all rounder ; It's what I'd get now!
MPS2 - Great in the dry but appalling in super wet or cold stuff. I understand Catchpole said the Porker Carrera GT is much friendlier on the MPSSs over the PS2s.
MPS3 - Not bad, better than the PS2 in the wet but a different league to the tyres above.
AFAIK Michelin have kept on the MPS2 and SS for OEM approvals (one friend of mine fits nothing but N rated PS2s of Contis onto his 987!) but also for the lower sizes ; PS4S are 19"+ only, for now anyway. On my old 944 The PS2 is the only performance tyre that Michelin offered for it in 17" guise.
SebringMan said:
Scobblelotcher said:
Has anyone tried Hankook? I bought a M135i and it has a set on the rear. I’m not sure if it’s down to the temp and/or tire but grip isn’t great right now.
My preference is MPSS but as they tires have only a small amount of wear I’m not sure if it’s just the conditions or if the tires are hopeless and I should just change them now?
They're meant to be good, but they are not much cheaper for the decent Hankooks than the big boy brands.My preference is MPSS but as they tires have only a small amount of wear I’m not sure if it’s just the conditions or if the tires are hopeless and I should just change them now?
It's the conditions. MPSSs are hopeless in these conditions! MPS4 and 4S are better.
FWIW I believe this is how the hierarchy goes for Michelin
MPS4S - As good as the MPS4, maybe a little better. Coming from Fk452s they felt like a revelation even taking the first roundabout after fitting them!
MPSS - Needs no introduction ; Can be interesting when cold
MPS4 - A superb all rounder ; It's what I'd get now!
MPS2 - Great in the dry but appalling in super wet or cold stuff. I understand Catchpole said the Porker Carrera GT is much friendlier on the MPSSs over the PS2s.
MPS3 - Not bad, better than the PS2 in the wet but a different league to the tyres above.
AFAIK Michelin have kept on the MPS2 and SS for OEM approvals (one friend of mine fits nothing but N rated PS2s of Contis onto his 987!) but also for the lower sizes ; PS4S are 19"+ only, for now anyway. On my old 944 The PS2 is the only performance tyre that Michelin offered for it in 17" guise.
I’ve got this dilemma at the moment; just bought an M140i which is on Potenza runflats. The tears are practically new but the front nearside has a bulge in the sidewall and the front offside is worn on the inner edge where the alignment has been out for a while so I have two choices:
Replace the front with more runflats (cost about £300)
Replace all four with regular tyres - about £6-700 for MPSS or £4-500 for MPS4.
I had the MPS4 on my S3 and they were superb on that but that’s not to say they’ll be as suited to the 140 so I’m in a bit of a quandary at the moment!
I’d love to hear people comparisons between the MPSS and MPS4 on the 135/140
Dave
Replace the front with more runflats (cost about £300)
Replace all four with regular tyres - about £6-700 for MPSS or £4-500 for MPS4.
I had the MPS4 on my S3 and they were superb on that but that’s not to say they’ll be as suited to the 140 so I’m in a bit of a quandary at the moment!
I’d love to hear people comparisons between the MPSS and MPS4 on the 135/140
Dave
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