Any order dates for the new 2018 3 series yet?
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I am keen to order a 330e Msport, but I don't want to order the current version.
Does anyone know when the new 2018 model will be out?
I have a time window of April to end of August 2018 to take delivery.
New "tax neutral" company car rules out in September so anyone ordering a hybrid can expect a major pounding by the taxman.
Does anyone know when the new 2018 model will be out?
I have a time window of April to end of August 2018 to take delivery.
New "tax neutral" company car rules out in September so anyone ordering a hybrid can expect a major pounding by the taxman.
bad company said:
Wills2 said:
The f30 is rumoured EOP Oct 2018 so i guess you might see a G20 very late in 2018.
I know this is a motoring forum and somebody will say I should know better but seriously - wtf is an f30?, EOP, and G20??????Any chance of an English translation?
F30: current 3 series
G20: next gen 3 series
Will there be amazing deals on the outgoing 3er in the final months?
Given 1er going 4pots at best, and probably more fwd than red/awd, and 3er going even more numb luxo barge, I've got a feeling a current f3x will be the last BMW I'll want to buy.
Unless BMW do something stunning with the new 3er, but odds are it'll be blander than ever.
Given 1er going 4pots at best, and probably more fwd than red/awd, and 3er going even more numb luxo barge, I've got a feeling a current f3x will be the last BMW I'll want to buy.
Unless BMW do something stunning with the new 3er, but odds are it'll be blander than ever.
Mr Whippy said:
Unless BMW do something stunning with the new 3er, but odds are it'll be blander than ever.
Subjective, I know, but I think the 4 Series is the best looking "3 Series" coupé since the E36, so the trend isn't necessarily downhill. What does concern me is that there'll be no straight-six when the current range is done, given where engines are heading these days.1 series is going FWD / AWD and 3/4 pot engines, but the 3 is sticking to RWD / AWD and it looks like the M340i will still be a 6 pot. I can't see the 335d going 4 pot yet either.
My guess is that the M3 and M4 will be AWD and have still have a twin turbo 6 through the ZF8.
If it is anything like the 5 series, the next 3 will really up the luxury and refinement, but also isolate the driver from any notion of fun.
My guess is that the M3 and M4 will be AWD and have still have a twin turbo 6 through the ZF8.
If it is anything like the 5 series, the next 3 will really up the luxury and refinement, but also isolate the driver from any notion of fun.
rassi said:
bad company said:
Wills2 said:
The f30 is rumoured EOP Oct 2018 so i guess you might see a G20 very late in 2018.
I know this is a motoring forum and somebody will say I should know better but seriously - wtf is an f30?, EOP, and G20??????Any chance of an English translation?
F30: current 3 series
G20: next gen 3 series
Life and cars used to be so much simpler.
Mr Whippy said:
... 3er going even more numb luxo barge, I've got a feeling a current f3x will be the last BMW I'll want to buy.
Unless BMW do something stunning with the new 3er, but odds are it'll be blander than ever.
Said folk before the E36, before the E46, before the E90, before the F30, before the G20...Unless BMW do something stunning with the new 3er, but odds are it'll be blander than ever.
Hint; the F30 is a gazillion times better as a transport device than an E30 was, without it costing comparatively much different.
janesmith1950 said:
Mr Whippy said:
... 3er going even more numb luxo barge, I've got a feeling a current f3x will be the last BMW I'll want to buy.
Unless BMW do something stunning with the new 3er, but odds are it'll be blander than ever.
Said folk before the E36, before the E46, before the E90, before the F30, before the G20...Unless BMW do something stunning with the new 3er, but odds are it'll be blander than ever.
Hint; the F30 is a gazillion times better as a transport device than an E30 was, without it costing comparatively much different.
I thought BMW was all about being the ultimate driving machine?
Isn't there a place for at least steering feel, a quality throttle response, and 'nice' nvh and a nice ride, alongside these other properties?
It's those things which seem to be increasingly abandoned.
Mr Whippy said:
janesmith1950 said:
Mr Whippy said:
... 3er going even more numb luxo barge, I've got a feeling a current f3x will be the last BMW I'll want to buy.
Unless BMW do something stunning with the new 3er, but odds are it'll be blander than ever.
Said folk before the E36, before the E46, before the E90, before the F30, before the G20...Unless BMW do something stunning with the new 3er, but odds are it'll be blander than ever.
Hint; the F30 is a gazillion times better as a transport device than an E30 was, without it costing comparatively much different.
I thought BMW was all about being the ultimate driving machine?
Isn't there a place for at least steering feel, a quality throttle response, and 'nice' nvh and a nice ride, alongside these other properties?
It's those things which seem to be increasingly abandoned.
The M models were always more special but you shouldn't have to buy an M just to get a good throttle and steering etc.
The F30 wasn't hugely rated when it arrived. It took the LCI to improve steering which I'd argue is only just 'ok'... was it that poor before?
The G20 is yet to arrive, but I wouldn't be rushing to buy one until people who can get quality test drives report back.
Ie, a decent weekend with the car to check it out on familiar roads.
Cooking model pretty special? I remember tooling about in a 318 E36 when they were new. Yes, it was better than the Vectras and the like, but it was also nothing amazing to drive. The latest F30 is better in pretty much every regard, other than steering feel. If I'm worried about steering feel in a 120bhp posh shopping trolly, it's me who's lost the plot, not BMW.
All cars have become larger, heavier, incredibly more efficient, safer and much better equipped over the past 20 years. Even an Elise.
Yea, I love cars from 30 years ago. I love the basicality, the raucousness, the crap NVH and the mechanical feel. Those things, in the main, were the symptoms of the product not being as good as they now can be.
Progress is about compromise and priorities. Would I throw my family in a 1990s Cosworth rather than a 2017 M3, because I prefer my fun a bit rough around the edges? Nope. Would I buy a Cosworth to take on track days, to get that 'feel'? Nope.
The idea that you would bemoan a 1.5 ton diesel posh repmobile for not being as flawed as its predecessors at its primary purpose (road driving carrying passengers and loads) seems a bit misguided, if you ask me.
Now, if you wanted to b
h on about how a boggo standard Elise is now a bloater with a lot of its original charm systematically removed, I'm all ears!!
All cars have become larger, heavier, incredibly more efficient, safer and much better equipped over the past 20 years. Even an Elise.
Yea, I love cars from 30 years ago. I love the basicality, the raucousness, the crap NVH and the mechanical feel. Those things, in the main, were the symptoms of the product not being as good as they now can be.
Progress is about compromise and priorities. Would I throw my family in a 1990s Cosworth rather than a 2017 M3, because I prefer my fun a bit rough around the edges? Nope. Would I buy a Cosworth to take on track days, to get that 'feel'? Nope.
The idea that you would bemoan a 1.5 ton diesel posh repmobile for not being as flawed as its predecessors at its primary purpose (road driving carrying passengers and loads) seems a bit misguided, if you ask me.
Now, if you wanted to b
h on about how a boggo standard Elise is now a bloater with a lot of its original charm systematically removed, I'm all ears!!janesmith1950 said:
... Cooking model pretty special? I remember tooling about in a 318 E36 when they were new. Yes, it was better than the Vectras and the like, but it was also nothing amazing to drive. The latest F30 is better in pretty much every regard, other than steering feel. If I'm worried about steering feel in a 120bhp posh shopping trolly, it's me who's lost the plot, not BMW...
I think you may have lost the plot a little there. The point of a BMW should be the better drive than it's competitors, so yeah, steering should be good on a 316i all the way up the M3. Why should a basic one be naff to drive, the whole range should be 'a good steer'. Otherwise just buy the Mondeo / Insignia / Passat etc. Mike335i said:
I think you may have lost the plot a little there. The point of a BMW should be the better drive than it's competitors, so yeah, steering should be good on a 316i all the way up the M3. Why should a basic one be naff to drive, the whole range should be 'a good steer'. Otherwise just buy the Mondeo / Insignia / Passat etc.
Um, the comparison being made was between the ages of 3. The 3er is still a better drive than its peers.Mr Whippy said:
Osinjak said:
Mr Whippy said:
Unless BMW do something stunning with the new 3er, but odds are it'll be blander than ever.
Why are you bothering to try and buy one then?Wills2 said:
bad company said:
Thank you.
Life and cars used to be so much simpler.
And yet you manage to describe your 540i as a G30 in your profile, Life and cars used to be so much simpler.
Hmmmm....
janesmith1950 said:
Um, the comparison being made was between the ages of 3. The 3er is still a better drive than its peers.
It was this bit I was mainly referring to:janesmith1950 said:
... If I'm worried about steering feel in a 120bhp posh shopping trolly, it's me who's lost the plot, not BMW...
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