Future of older bmw diesels
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Not going to do the research but I’m not sure what’s been said is correct.
The major changes haven’t been applied retrospectively but increases far above any ‘cost of living’ increases have, I seem to recall.
A 911 I had from 07 to 14 increased quite significantly. Far above any inflation in that period.
It wouldn’t surprise me at all to see the VED on all diesels increase regardless of their specification and other charges, for entering cities etc, will almost certainly follow more widely.
Maybe the latter is a good example? A few years ago there were no penalties for taking a diesel into a city. Now it’s quite widespread throughout Europe, especially on older cars.
They are going to increase the tax take somewhere. Diesels look a prime candidate, especially older ones. Hence the recent change of attitude in the first place.
The major changes haven’t been applied retrospectively but increases far above any ‘cost of living’ increases have, I seem to recall.
A 911 I had from 07 to 14 increased quite significantly. Far above any inflation in that period.
It wouldn’t surprise me at all to see the VED on all diesels increase regardless of their specification and other charges, for entering cities etc, will almost certainly follow more widely.
Maybe the latter is a good example? A few years ago there were no penalties for taking a diesel into a city. Now it’s quite widespread throughout Europe, especially on older cars.
They are going to increase the tax take somewhere. Diesels look a prime candidate, especially older ones. Hence the recent change of attitude in the first place.
REALIST123 said:
Not going to do the research but I’m not sure what’s been said is correct.
The major changes haven’t been applied retrospectively but increases far above any ‘cost of living’ increases have, I seem to recall.
A 911 I had from 07 to 14 increased quite significantly. Far above any inflation in that period.
This is the problem - not government policy but speculation. People are so busy trying to guess what might happen and talking things down.The major changes haven’t been applied retrospectively but increases far above any ‘cost of living’ increases have, I seem to recall.
A 911 I had from 07 to 14 increased quite significantly. Far above any inflation in that period.
A Porsche 911 taxed in 2009 would have been what, Band L or Band M?
2009
L: £415
M: £440
Whereas in 2018, these bands are:
L: £540
M: £555
The 2009 values re-adjusted for inflation over the last 9 years would have been:
L:£526
M: £558
So Band M has not risen at all in real terms and Band L has only gone up by £26 above inflation in almost 10 years.
OK, maybe my wording wasn't specific enough when I said "cost of living" I meant just standard across-the-board (because car) rises in tax rates, rather than it just being inflation linked.
Also the point on parking/entering city etc, these (although they are a kind of stealth tax) were not mentioned as it isn't an actual tax on diesel ownership, which is what the OP seemed to be asking.
Also the point on parking/entering city etc, these (although they are a kind of stealth tax) were not mentioned as it isn't an actual tax on diesel ownership, which is what the OP seemed to be asking.
4rephill said:
Yes! - The future's looking really bright for owners of older diesels! 
It’ll either be scrapped before it matters so much you’re upset.Or it’ll be still cheaper than new despite a few price hikes, because it’s old and lost all it’s value.
Old car has different mix of expenses and benefits vs new car ‘shocker’
My R32 Golf does 22mpg and costs £540 to tax, oh noes.
But it’s still peanuts next to running a lot of other newer cars which depreciate like bricks.
geeeman said:
4rephill said:
Yes! - The future's looking really bright for owners of older diesels!
Id say less bright for new diesel owners.The fact all the major manufacturers still make diesel cars implies they are here to say for a while......
Anyway if the older BMW diesels have the N47 engine the cam-chains will have killed them before it becomes an issue!
ninjag said:
E-bmw said:
"New" tax rules have never been retrospectively applied to "older" cars as they have not been measured using the "new" standard.
Didn't Gordon Brown's Road Tax increases in 2006 retrospectively effect earlier cars?The additional 'dirty diesel' charge for central London applies to any pre-Euro 6 compliant vehicles and is likely to be the same model for other cities too. So, whilst road tax is higher on new vehicles (and in particular for those costing >£40k) there will be a financial disadvantage to the older diesels if you need to travel into those affected cities/areas.
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