First service/oil change
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It will have a ‘condition-based service’ schedule. That is the car’s computer will work out under what conditions it has been used, and time the service accordingly. In any case there will be a time limit of two years.
Therefore your car is telling you that, based on the conditions under which it has been used, it will need a service in 3000 miles, or by March 2020, if it does not do those 3000 miles before March 2020. (March 2020 will be two years after date of manufacture).
My 335d first service was £285.34 at 20890 miles in Aug 2018. (Bought in Feb 2017, manufactured in Nov 2016).
After that first service, the next service for mine will be in Nov 2019. That is 3 years after build date. After that second (non-oil change) service, the next oil change service will be timed two years after the first oil change or earlier, depending on conditions under which the car has operated (on board computer will decide if it needs servicing earlier).
Therefore your car is telling you that, based on the conditions under which it has been used, it will need a service in 3000 miles, or by March 2020, if it does not do those 3000 miles before March 2020. (March 2020 will be two years after date of manufacture).
My 335d first service was £285.34 at 20890 miles in Aug 2018. (Bought in Feb 2017, manufactured in Nov 2016).
After that first service, the next service for mine will be in Nov 2019. That is 3 years after build date. After that second (non-oil change) service, the next oil change service will be timed two years after the first oil change or earlier, depending on conditions under which the car has operated (on board computer will decide if it needs servicing earlier).
Edited by Pica-Pica on Friday 28th June 10:42
Actually when I got the car in Jan it was showing service/oil change in 7000 miles (or thereabouts) or 03/2020. [I am weekend driver]. It sort of stayed that way. But recently I did one long journey of 400 miles round trip. Immediately after that the warning dropped to 3000 miles/032020.
So can one long journey kick up such a fuss on the on-board computer. I hate to think what will happen if I was doing a lot of motorway miles.
So can one long journey kick up such a fuss on the on-board computer. I hate to think what will happen if I was doing a lot of motorway miles.
On top of that, it is a diesel, so you have bought the wrong car based on your mileage alone & if you leave it that long you are insane.
ETA.
Diesels are motorway cruisers, the engine is too thermally efficient to do short journeys efficiently, to make financial sense the car wants to do over 20,000 miles a year and any less will mean less time between services & multiple DPF issues costing MUCH more than the "perceived" difference of the nice looking MPG numbers that are done by robots with fully warmed up engines.
Not your fault obviously, but you have been poorly advised.
ETA.
Diesels are motorway cruisers, the engine is too thermally efficient to do short journeys efficiently, to make financial sense the car wants to do over 20,000 miles a year and any less will mean less time between services & multiple DPF issues costing MUCH more than the "perceived" difference of the nice looking MPG numbers that are done by robots with fully warmed up engines.
Not your fault obviously, but you have been poorly advised.
Edited by E-bmw on Monday 1st July 17:22
E-bmw said:
On top of that, it is a diesel, so you have bought the wrong car based on your mileage alone & if you leave it that long you are insane.
ETA.
Diesels are motorway cruisers, the engine is too thermally efficient to do short journeys efficiently, to make financial sense the car wants to do over 20,000 miles a year and any less will mean less time between services & multiple DPF issues costing MUCH more than the "perceived" difference of the nice looking MPG numbers that are done by robots with fully warmed up engines.
Not your fault obviously, but you have been poorly advised.
Not necessarily. If you buy a diesel for the torque, then annual mileage will not be an engine issue if you do long but infrequent journeys. It may not make financial sense, but that is a separate issue. ETA.
Diesels are motorway cruisers, the engine is too thermally efficient to do short journeys efficiently, to make financial sense the car wants to do over 20,000 miles a year and any less will mean less time between services & multiple DPF issues costing MUCH more than the "perceived" difference of the nice looking MPG numbers that are done by robots with fully warmed up engines.
Not your fault obviously, but you have been poorly advised.
Edited by E-bmw on Monday 1st July 17:22
t themselves at a young age.. 10 or 20 thousand miles with no oil change !! Madness My 2014 116D has done 40,000 miles in 5 years. Up to about 6 months ago it was averaging around 7000 pa.
I’ve had only 2 oil services and a brake fluid service and the thing drives as smoothly as the day I purchased it.
I’m no diesel fan, I just needed something urgently and got a good deal. It’s been faultless with mainly short journeys throughout its life so the DPF scaremongering is a little over-egged in my opinion.
I’ve had only 2 oil services and a brake fluid service and the thing drives as smoothly as the day I purchased it.
I’m no diesel fan, I just needed something urgently and got a good deal. It’s been faultless with mainly short journeys throughout its life so the DPF scaremongering is a little over-egged in my opinion.
Pica-Pica said:
E-bmw said:
On top of that, it is a diesel, so you have bought the wrong car based on your mileage alone & if you leave it that long you are insane.
ETA.
Diesels are motorway cruisers, the engine is too thermally efficient to do short journeys efficiently, to make financial sense the car wants to do over 20,000 miles a year and any less will mean less time between services & multiple DPF issues costing MUCH more than the "perceived" difference of the nice looking MPG numbers that are done by robots with fully warmed up engines.
Not your fault obviously, but you have been poorly advised.
Not necessarily. If you buy a diesel for the torque, then annual mileage will not be an engine issue if you do long but infrequent journeys. It may not make financial sense, but that is a separate issue. ETA.
Diesels are motorway cruisers, the engine is too thermally efficient to do short journeys efficiently, to make financial sense the car wants to do over 20,000 miles a year and any less will mean less time between services & multiple DPF issues costing MUCH more than the "perceived" difference of the nice looking MPG numbers that are done by robots with fully warmed up engines.
Not your fault obviously, but you have been poorly advised.
Edited by E-bmw on Monday 1st July 17:22
When I got my diesel I worked out the difference in fuel cost between the diesel and the petrol version using this https://www.which.co.uk/reviews/new-and-used-cars/... calculator over 13,000 miles PA. Using the cost of fuel at the time it worked out at a £730 'saving', today it would be £810. Then add the difference in VED of £180 and those 'savings' become £910 and £990. It seems like a no brainer to me especially when you consider how much effortless driving pleasure the auto/diesel combo gives. I know the diesel was a little more to purchase but over say 5 years of ownership that difference is eaten up by the fuel saving. A full BMW service recently cost me £380 but a can't see the petrol servicing cost being much cheaper?
_Hoppers said:
Pica-Pica said:
E-bmw said:
On top of that, it is a diesel, so you have bought the wrong car based on your mileage alone & if you leave it that long you are insane.
ETA.
Diesels are motorway cruisers, the engine is too thermally efficient to do short journeys efficiently, to make financial sense the car wants to do over 20,000 miles a year and any less will mean less time between services & multiple DPF issues costing MUCH more than the "perceived" difference of the nice looking MPG numbers that are done by robots with fully warmed up engines.
Not your fault obviously, but you have been poorly advised.
Not necessarily. If you buy a diesel for the torque, then annual mileage will not be an engine issue if you do long but infrequent journeys. It may not make financial sense, but that is a separate issue. ETA.
Diesels are motorway cruisers, the engine is too thermally efficient to do short journeys efficiently, to make financial sense the car wants to do over 20,000 miles a year and any less will mean less time between services & multiple DPF issues costing MUCH more than the "perceived" difference of the nice looking MPG numbers that are done by robots with fully warmed up engines.
Not your fault obviously, but you have been poorly advised.
Edited by E-bmw on Monday 1st July 17:22
When I got my diesel I worked out the difference in fuel cost between the diesel and the petrol version using this https://www.which.co.uk/reviews/new-and-used-cars/... calculator over 13,000 miles PA. Using the cost of fuel at the time it worked out at a £730 'saving', today it would be £810. Then add the difference in VED of £180 and those 'savings' become £910 and £990. It seems like a no brainer to me especially when you consider how much effortless driving pleasure the auto/diesel combo gives. I know the diesel was a little more to purchase but over say 5 years of ownership that difference is eaten up by the fuel saving. A full BMW service recently cost me £380 but a can't see the petrol servicing cost being much cheaper?
1. That does not take into account the difference in thermal efficiency between petrol & diesel but assumes a level playing field, the only difference being MPG. A petrol engine car has a climbing temperature gauge by "the end of the road" whereas a diesel will take over 20 min, during which time it is literally pouring fuel into the engine.
2. Diesel oil & filter changes should be at least twice as frequent as petrol (have you ever seen oil from a diesel changed "on time"?) just to stand a chance of lasting beyond the first owner.
I am not even looking at the cost of DPF issues in this!
Believe me the beak-even point is much more like 20,000 miles if you want the car to last & not break the bank in later years.
E-bmw said:
There are 2 problems with your due diligence there.
1. That does not take into account the difference in thermal efficiency between petrol & diesel but assumes a level playing field, the only difference being MPG. A petrol engine car has a climbing temperature gauge by "the end of the road" whereas a diesel will take over 20 min, during which time it is literally pouring fuel into the engine.
2. Diesel oil & filter changes should be at least twice as frequent as petrol (have you ever seen oil from a diesel changed "on time"?) just to stand a chance of lasting beyond the first owner.
I am not even looking at the cost of DPF issues in this!
Believe me the beak-even point is much more like 20,000 miles if you want the car to last & not break the bank in later years.
Before getting the car I worked out the 'saving' on estimated mpg figures. For the purpose of my post above I used real world mpg figures, I'm generally getting at least -+49mpg from my diesel. From what I understand the service interval for the diesel and petrol versions is the same. I will get the oil changed in mine after 10k from it's last service, way before the manufacturer's recommended interval, but even at a BMW dealer that's only £100, a mere dent in the overall difference in fuel costs.1. That does not take into account the difference in thermal efficiency between petrol & diesel but assumes a level playing field, the only difference being MPG. A petrol engine car has a climbing temperature gauge by "the end of the road" whereas a diesel will take over 20 min, during which time it is literally pouring fuel into the engine.
2. Diesel oil & filter changes should be at least twice as frequent as petrol (have you ever seen oil from a diesel changed "on time"?) just to stand a chance of lasting beyond the first owner.
I am not even looking at the cost of DPF issues in this!
Believe me the beak-even point is much more like 20,000 miles if you want the car to last & not break the bank in later years.
_Hoppers said:
E-bmw said:
There are 2 problems with your due diligence there.
1. That does not take into account the difference in thermal efficiency between petrol & diesel but assumes a level playing field, the only difference being MPG. A petrol engine car has a climbing temperature gauge by "the end of the road" whereas a diesel will take over 20 min, during which time it is literally pouring fuel into the engine.
2. Diesel oil & filter changes should be at least twice as frequent as petrol (have you ever seen oil from a diesel changed "on time"?) just to stand a chance of lasting beyond the first owner.
I am not even looking at the cost of DPF issues in this!
Believe me the beak-even point is much more like 20,000 miles if you want the car to last & not break the bank in later years.
Before getting the car I worked out the 'saving' on estimated mpg figures. For the purpose of my post above I used real world mpg figures, I'm generally getting at least -+49mpg from my diesel. From what I understand the service interval for the diesel and petrol versions is the same. I will get the oil changed in mine after 10k from it's last service, way before the manufacturer's recommended interval, but even at a BMW dealer that's only £100, a mere dent in the overall difference in fuel costs.1. That does not take into account the difference in thermal efficiency between petrol & diesel but assumes a level playing field, the only difference being MPG. A petrol engine car has a climbing temperature gauge by "the end of the road" whereas a diesel will take over 20 min, during which time it is literally pouring fuel into the engine.
2. Diesel oil & filter changes should be at least twice as frequent as petrol (have you ever seen oil from a diesel changed "on time"?) just to stand a chance of lasting beyond the first owner.
I am not even looking at the cost of DPF issues in this!
Believe me the beak-even point is much more like 20,000 miles if you want the car to last & not break the bank in later years.
Having said what you say about oil changes, 10k is still too long for a diesel.
I 100% do not understand the drive towards extended service periods if it is detrimental to the engine in the long run, as they are.
IF I were to own a diesel (and I never will) I would be changing oil & filter at 6k, as I said, have you ever looked at the colour of it after an oil change at 10K?
E-bmw said:
IF I were to own a diesel (and I never will) I would be changing oil & filter at 6k, as I said, have you ever looked at the colour of it after an oil change at 10K?
Diesel engine oil is dark even after driving just a few miles after an oil change. It has a high detergent oil in the engine that absorbs combustion by-products into the oil as part of its normal operation.Edited by Pica-Pica on Tuesday 2nd July 17:39
_Hoppers said:
E-bmw said:
I get that, but it still isn't taking into account real time warming up if you do infrequent/short journeys.
Yes it is taking into account real time warming up because the figure for the diesel mpg is the actual figure I'm getting on my main commute.Take 2 extremes (all else being equal such as driving styles)
1. Driver A drives 5 mile commute 5 days a week and that is all.
2. Driver B drives 100 miles at a time 5 days a week.
Do both get the same mpg?
No, driver A's car never even warms up & is pouring fuel down it's neck.
Then Driver A needs a new DPF every 2 years & driver B never does, driver A has oil the colour of treacle & diluted by diesel, driver B's oil is fine.
E-bmw said:
Read the full sentence, no it doesn't.
Take 2 extremes (all else being equal such as driving styles)
1. Driver A drives 5 mile commute 5 days a week and that is all.
2. Driver B drives 100 miles at a time 5 days a week.
Do both get the same mpg?
No, driver A's car never even warms up & is pouring fuel down it's neck.
Then Driver A needs a new DPF every 2 years & driver B never does, driver A has oil the colour of treacle & diluted by diesel, driver B's oil is fine.
We started this discussion with me querying why you suggested it is necessary to do 20k a year for diesel to be financially viable. I went on to explain the 'savings' I make using the ACTUAL mpg I'm getting doing 13k per year, the savings being significant. Your reply you suggested I hadn't considered the warming up time of the engine, which I had.Take 2 extremes (all else being equal such as driving styles)
1. Driver A drives 5 mile commute 5 days a week and that is all.
2. Driver B drives 100 miles at a time 5 days a week.
Do both get the same mpg?
No, driver A's car never even warms up & is pouring fuel down it's neck.
Then Driver A needs a new DPF every 2 years & driver B never does, driver A has oil the colour of treacle & diluted by diesel, driver B's oil is fine.
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