0% APR on M cars?
0% APR on M cars?
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handbraketurn

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1,397 posts

196 months

Friday 29th May 2020
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Late last year, BMW were offering contributions and 0% PCP deals on M cars, first time they had ever done, so I was told.

I couldn't take advantage of it, as was out of the country, when I came back they'd pushed it up to the current rate of 4.9% and was told by a dealer in the know, it was unlikely they'd do it again.....unless they had terrible sales.

Interest rates very low at the moment and all manufacturers and dealers just took a massive hit in income and profits, what do people think the chances are the 0% will come back?

At that level, I can basically get into a new warrantied M-car where the interest rates just push out of my affordability and into the used car market and a substantially older and more abused one. smile

Cheers,

Nick

bmwmike

8,766 posts

138 months

Friday 29th May 2020
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Car sales have dropped off a cliff apparently and with looming redundancies and cratered economy are they likely to bounce back soon?

I can imagine gov will do some sort of incentive like the scrappage scheme to push to EV perhaps.

Doubt it will apply to sporty ICE models but who knows. Also i wonder how much niche parts of the car market have faired compared to bread and butter - perhaps not as bad.

handbraketurn

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196 months

Friday 29th May 2020
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I can imagine that is the case for new car sales.

The used market on the other hand has gone through the roof, certainly at the lower end. I've spoken to a lot of dealers over past few weeks, quite often you end speaking the principal, so you get good information. They're all busy, few will budge on price, because at present, they don't need to. Some cars I track on AT/Ebay have gone up in value and people taking advantage of the sudden demand.

My understanding is though, this is a. bored people (who might regret it later) and b. people worried about public transport combined with the (temporary) low supply due to dealers closed and most of their staff on furlough, not listing new stock, not able to buy new stock, pushing prices up or at least maintaining them due to supply/demand.

This trend might continue at the lower end, but my gut instinct is that higher value cars might see a decline in values over the coming months as unemployment grows/continues the recession reality hits. People tighten their purse strings and wait to see what happens before major expenditure.




Anonymous-poster

12,241 posts

236 months

Friday 29th May 2020
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handbraketurn said:
Late last year, BMW were offering contributions and 0% PCP deals on M cars, first time they had ever done, so I was told.

I couldn't take advantage of it, as was out of the country, when I came back they'd pushed it up to the current rate of 4.9% and was told by a dealer in the know, it was unlikely they'd do it again.....unless they had terrible sales.

Interest rates very low at the moment and all manufacturers and dealers just took a massive hit in income and profits, what do people think the chances are the 0% will come back?

At that level, I can basically get into a new warrantied M-car where the interest rates just push out of my affordability and into the used car market and a substantially older and more abused one. smile

Cheers,

Nick
It’s definitely not the first time they have done 0% and contributions.
They did it on the M5 a few years back.

nomis36

429 posts

194 months

Friday 29th May 2020
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I’m too poor to even consider a 116d on 0% pcp frown
Well, not strictly true because I have done the pcp thing in the past but missed the tinkering (read repairing laugh ) of bangornomics

MOBB

4,587 posts

157 months

Friday 29th May 2020
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Anonymous-poster said:
handbraketurn said:
Late last year, BMW were offering contributions and 0% PCP deals on M cars, first time they had ever done, so I was told.

I couldn't take advantage of it, as was out of the country, when I came back they'd pushed it up to the current rate of 4.9% and was told by a dealer in the know, it was unlikely they'd do it again.....unless they had terrible sales.

Interest rates very low at the moment and all manufacturers and dealers just took a massive hit in income and profits, what do people think the chances are the 0% will come back?

At that level, I can basically get into a new warrantied M-car where the interest rates just push out of my affordability and into the used car market and a substantially older and more abused one. smile

Cheers,

Nick
It’s definitely not the first time they have done 0% and contributions.
They did it on the M5 a few years back.
Yes, I bought an M5 with about £7k of options Back in 2015 for £66k, using their 0% finance

Still lost a stload in depreciation but it was worth it :-)

R33FAL

595 posts

198 months

Friday 29th May 2020
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Re car sales, I think its all well and good when people have a false sense of security through furloughs etc. When that ends, and the P45s start making the rounds, not sure buying a car will be a priority for those affected.

bmwmike

8,766 posts

138 months

Friday 29th May 2020
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R33FAL said:
Re car sales, I think its all well and good when people have a false sense of security through furloughs etc. When that ends, and the P45s start making the rounds, not sure buying a car will be a priority for those affected.
Exactly. The flood of pcp VT's will result in some bargain buys..

Wills2

29,744 posts

205 months

Friday 29th May 2020
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handbraketurn said:
Late last year, BMW were offering contributions and 0% PCP deals on M cars, first time they had ever done, so I was told.

Nick
Utter drivel Nick who ever told you that, as 0% is often offered but of course the discount is always adjusted to take account of that offer.

I took an M5 back in 2014 on 0% as an example the discount was 14k from a list of 80k, current M car I have was 2.9% apr but the discount from list was 21k...






Edited by Wills2 on Friday 29th May 23:43

Wills2

29,744 posts

205 months

Friday 29th May 2020
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bmwmike said:
Exactly. The flood of pcp VT's will result in some bargain buys..
What's the evidence for this "flood"? My friends in the trade are looked at cars going through BCA at strong money at the moment, their words are no bargains and bidders are keen...

They have sold cars all the way through the lockdown (online) and whilst sales were down the pricing on the sales wasn't meaningfully different and any silly offers were just rejected.












Pistonheader101

2,206 posts

137 months

Saturday 30th May 2020
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Nuts to buy one atm

bmwmike

8,766 posts

138 months

Saturday 30th May 2020
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Wills2 said:
bmwmike said:
Exactly. The flood of pcp VT's will result in some bargain buys..
What's the evidence for this "flood"? My friends in the trade are looked at cars going through BCA at strong money at the moment, their words are no bargains and bidders are keen...

They have sold cars all the way through the lockdown (online) and whilst sales were down the pricing on the sales wasn't meaningfully different and any silly offers were just rejected.










Was following on to prior post i.e. when the p45's start flowing the pcp's will start VT'ing. Hasnt happened yet because furlough etc.





Wills2

29,744 posts

205 months

Saturday 30th May 2020
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bmwmike said:
Was following on to prior post i.e. when the p45's start flowing the pcp's will start VT'ing. Hasnt happened yet because furlough etc.
So all these cleaners/bar staff and retail shop workers will be handing back their M cars? Average age of a car in the UK is 8 years old the vast majority of people don't have a car on PCP, let alone an M car.









bmwmike

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138 months

Saturday 30th May 2020
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Wills2 said:
bmwmike said:
Was following on to prior post i.e. when the p45's start flowing the pcp's will start VT'ing. Hasnt happened yet because furlough etc.
So all these cleaners/bar staff and retail shop workers will be handing back their M cars? Average age of a car in the UK is 8 years old the vast majority of people don't have a car on PCP, let alone an M car.


almost all new car purchases in the UK are on PCP. dont know why you mention bar staff etc. Time will tell. New car sales are down 90% odd already. Nobody knows for sure what will happen but unless you believe the economy is going to be rosey for the next few quarters its not difficult or a leap to see that an already crushed industry, largely discretionary, is going to suffer. Who knows, maybe we will see negative interest rates on PCP. I might even consider one then.

RUSSELLM

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277 months

Saturday 30th May 2020
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I’m surprised the new car sales only dropped 90%

Nobody built a vehicle biggrin

What with the few left in storage, not being available, as the dealers were closed, I’d image a 90% drop would be classed as a good result.



Edited by RUSSELLM on Saturday 30th May 19:30

nomis36

429 posts

194 months

Saturday 30th May 2020
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RUSSELLM said:
I’m surprised the new car sales only dropped 90%

Nobody built a vehicle biggrin

What with the few left in storage, not being available, as the dealers were closed, I’d image a 90% drop would classed as a good result.
I’m sure I saw something on the news this morning saying something like 99.7%!

4rephill

5,170 posts

208 months

Sunday 31st May 2020
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Wills2 said:
So all these cleaners/bar staff and retail shop workers will be handing back their M cars?......
Hilarious! - The only people to have stopped working, be adversely affected by COVID 19, or at risk of losing their jobs due to the pandemic are cleaners/bar staff and retail shop workers! rolleyes

Meanwhile - Back in the real World!

Pistonheader101

2,206 posts

137 months

Sunday 7th June 2020
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cuts everywhere

handbraketurn

Original Poster:

1,397 posts

196 months

Monday 15th June 2020
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Wills2 said:
bmwmike said:
Exactly. The flood of pcp VT's will result in some bargain buys..
What's the evidence for this "flood"? My friends in the trade are looked at cars going through BCA at strong money at the moment, their words are no bargains and bidders are keen...

They have sold cars all the way through the lockdown (online) and whilst sales were down the pricing on the sales wasn't meaningfully different and any silly offers were just rejected.
Sure, but during lock down there has been an increase in demand due to people with nothing else to do and new buyers wanting to avoid public transport. At the same time, dealers shut and ones open limited staff with majority on furlough. Increased demand + decreased supply means a strong market. Plus dealers have taken such losses, they're trying to get as much profit in as possible, so have no incentive to discount.

But this is unlikely to be sustained once the furlough ends, supply will increase and the true picture of the global financial carnage of lock down will become apparent. Car market was bubbly before. None of us can truly predict what will happen, but I think it's unlikely that prices won't be affected in the medium term.

I bought my first new BMW in 2018 and I just sold it £2k above settlement half way through a PCP, which is testament to the strength of used car sales at present.

Wills2 said:
handbraketurn said:
Late last year, BMW were offering contributions and 0% PCP deals on M cars, first time they had ever done, so I was told.

Nick
Utter drivel Nick who ever told you that, as 0% is often offered but of course the discount is always adjusted to take account of that offer.

I took an M5 back in 2014 on 0% as an example the discount was 14k from a list of 80k, current M car I have was 2.9% apr but the discount from list was 21k...
Edited by Wills2 on Friday 29th May 23:43
Don't sugar coat it, Wills, tell it to me straight ;-) ha, just kidding.

Didn't realise about 0% on M-Cars, it came from Tony @ Berry BMW, but I guess he was just trying a bit of the old scarcity tactics.

The discount on offer in December on M2/4 was the same as what is on offer now, but it's 4.9% now and it was 0% in December.

Obviously if reduce the discount, then it wouldn't be of interest, but if I could get into an M2 with minimal despot and early £400 a month, my company would pay that with the miles I claim.

But I'm not in a hurry to sign up to a new car, until end of Furlough.

I did speak to a dealer last week, he told me Bmw have not announced the deals for Q3 but did confirm that they're not chasing targets this year, so the sales pressure is off a bit. Plus with production being stopped, they haven't got a big stock of cars, at least with M2C. So potentially they're not going to go straight into panic / discount mode.




Edited by handbraketurn on Monday 15th June 16:02


Edited by handbraketurn on Monday 15th June 16:03

dogz

352 posts

286 months

Tuesday 16th June 2020
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I've bought several M cars on 0% and also obtained decent discounts, so a dealer telling you 0% never happens is lying

I honestly think that come the end of the year it will be carnage in the car market. Most manufacturers are shedding staff! There will be a recession, there will be redundancies once furlough ends, companies now realise that staff can work from home and the job will still get done, hence having an expensive asset sat on the drive doing 0 miles won't be a big priority anymore for a lot of people

It doesn't sound rosy but maybe I'm a pessimist but I think realist!