RWD with Michelin cross climate or similar. How is it ?
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MrBeEmW said:
Anyone with a RWD and Michelin cross climates or similar how have they been during the recent snow and ice in the UK?
How are they during the summer? Would you recommend ?
I had them on my 130i LE from Sept through to March before I fitted the Protrack One wheels and they were superb (CC2s that is) - Had some serious B road hooning fun here in Lancashire and they were great when it was really warm, cold and very wet... Would highly recommend themHow are they during the summer? Would you recommend ?
I also run the Goodyear Vector Gen3 all seasons on my current E39 and our F31 and would highly recommend them too
The Goodyears on the F31 have coped with serious cold and snow up in the Highlands with zero issues; I never got to properly test the CC2s unfortunately
I used Conti AllSeason Contacts on my F30 (before I sold it).
In summer, not quite as good as, say, PS4s - but more than adequate. In wet roads, brilliant. On snow, not as good as a full Winter but good enough to get you moving, steering, and stopping.
If you get regular low temperatures / snow fall I'd be tempted to swap winter / summer, but if you're seeing snow once every couple of years, and temperatures don't drop below 7ish degrees too often, All Seasons are ideal.
In summer, not quite as good as, say, PS4s - but more than adequate. In wet roads, brilliant. On snow, not as good as a full Winter but good enough to get you moving, steering, and stopping.
If you get regular low temperatures / snow fall I'd be tempted to swap winter / summer, but if you're seeing snow once every couple of years, and temperatures don't drop below 7ish degrees too often, All Seasons are ideal.
danb79 said:
I also run the Goodyear Vector Gen3 all seasons...
+1 on an E91 330i. Seemed to cope v well with the recent snow/ice.Only recently fitted so can't comment on summer performance, but have had CC on an E36 328i and CC on wife' X5. Both were much better than winters in the summer time.
On my fourth set of Cross Climate 2's now. First two sets on an E61 525i and two sets on the current F11 535i.
As above, as a summer tyre, I'd say they feel like a good mid-range type tyre. So perfectly acceptable but not gob-smacking. But in winter, they're phenomenal. Another poster above mentioned the continental all seasons not being as good as dedicated winter tyres in snow. I'd agree with that, we have a set on our Panda and they're good enough but not amazing. But the cross climate 2 is probably better than any winter tyre I've ever tried and I've had a few of those too. No doubt the very best winter tyres are better still but they're one trick ponies. Being a rwd 5-series, there are limits but we live on the edge of the Pennines and do deal with quite a lot of snow fairly frequently and the BMW gets around just fine. You need to pay attention to deep or drifting snow as ground clearance becomes a challenge. Otherwise, incredible and very confidence inspiring. We just run them all year round.
As above, as a summer tyre, I'd say they feel like a good mid-range type tyre. So perfectly acceptable but not gob-smacking. But in winter, they're phenomenal. Another poster above mentioned the continental all seasons not being as good as dedicated winter tyres in snow. I'd agree with that, we have a set on our Panda and they're good enough but not amazing. But the cross climate 2 is probably better than any winter tyre I've ever tried and I've had a few of those too. No doubt the very best winter tyres are better still but they're one trick ponies. Being a rwd 5-series, there are limits but we live on the edge of the Pennines and do deal with quite a lot of snow fairly frequently and the BMW gets around just fine. You need to pay attention to deep or drifting snow as ground clearance becomes a challenge. Otherwise, incredible and very confidence inspiring. We just run them all year round.
Edited by Gad-Westy on Monday 12th January 17:55
I'm a big fan of All Season tyres, had them on my 4x4 Yeti which seemed to go anywhere.
As for BMW's, I have Goodyear Vector All season tyres on my 730d, but to be honest in the recent snow I took my sons Fiesta (also with GY Vector tyres) to work instead as I didn't want the risk of other cars hitting me etc.
Haven't noticed any negatives during summer when driving on all seasons, I doubt the typical driver could.
As for BMW's, I have Goodyear Vector All season tyres on my 730d, but to be honest in the recent snow I took my sons Fiesta (also with GY Vector tyres) to work instead as I didn't want the risk of other cars hitting me etc.
Haven't noticed any negatives during summer when driving on all seasons, I doubt the typical driver could.
The Gauge said:
Haven't noticed any negatives during summer when driving on all seasons, I doubt the typical driver could.
They feel a little bit less sharp to me, but that probably depends on what size they are and what kind of tyre they’re being compared to - differences may be more pronounced if they are replacing something more aggressive. Thanks for asking the question OP. 
Since 2019 I've been swapping between summers and winters on my E90 because it came with a set of each, but the summers are going to need replacing next year and I had been thinking of getting All Seasons to save the faff as living in Surrey we've only had snow once in over 6 years (a week ago).
Since 2019 I've been swapping between summers and winters on my E90 because it came with a set of each, but the summers are going to need replacing next year and I had been thinking of getting All Seasons to save the faff as living in Surrey we've only had snow once in over 6 years (a week ago).
I run Continental Winter Contacts on my RWD F11 530d and have had winters on all my RWD BMW's for the last 15 years, absolutely fantastic, great fun passing those Audi's stuck on the slightest incline. However, you do start to notice grip and handling is compromised when it starts to get warmer, anything above 12 degrees and therefore always switch back to summers.
See below from Michelin's website. For me living in NE Scotland, separate winter and summer combo works really well. All seasons are a compromise at both ends of the spectrum, not as good as a winter tyres in the winter, but not as good as a summer tyre in the summer. Works well for some of my family who don't want the hassle and are never close to pushing the car and tyres close to their limits.
Don't forget Cross Climates have longer stopping distances in the dry looking the data.
Don't forget Cross Climates have longer stopping distances in the dry looking the data.
Edited by scz4 on Tuesday 13th January 11:35
scz4 said:
See below from Michelin's website. For me living in NE Scotland, separate winter and summer combo works really well. All seasons are a compromise at both ends of the spectrum, not as good as a winter tyres in the winter, but not as good as a summer tyre in the summer. Works well for some of my family who don't want the hassle and are never close to pushing the car and tyres close to their limits.
Don't forget Cross Climates have longer stopping distances in the dry looking the data.
I m talking about CrossClimate 3 Sport Don't forget Cross Climates have longer stopping distances in the dry looking the data.
Edited by scz4 on Tuesday 13th January 11:35
https://www.evo.co.uk/reviews/207909/michelin-cros...
And
https://www.jalopnik.com/1901386/michelin-crosscli...
Edited by Billy_Whizzzz on Tuesday 13th January 11:57
2014 M135i
‘Winter’ - Goodyear Vector 4 Seasons Gen-3
Summer - Michelin PS4
Usually run on the Michelins from April-Nov but the Goodyear’s were on all last year because my knackered knee meant changing over was too much hard work.
No issues at all running them year round.
Maybe a little more of a ‘squishy’ feel at the front in the height of summer when driven with enthusiasm but that’s about it. Quiet, great in the damp, wet, cold and obviously much better in any kind of snow/slush. Possibly the biggest benefit for me though is the all seasons on wet/muddy roads in autumn/winter here in rural Devon.
Michelins will be back on this year though because my summer wheels are much nicer (and my knee is less fooked now).
‘Winter’ - Goodyear Vector 4 Seasons Gen-3
Summer - Michelin PS4
Usually run on the Michelins from April-Nov but the Goodyear’s were on all last year because my knackered knee meant changing over was too much hard work.
No issues at all running them year round.
Maybe a little more of a ‘squishy’ feel at the front in the height of summer when driven with enthusiasm but that’s about it. Quiet, great in the damp, wet, cold and obviously much better in any kind of snow/slush. Possibly the biggest benefit for me though is the all seasons on wet/muddy roads in autumn/winter here in rural Devon.
Michelins will be back on this year though because my summer wheels are much nicer (and my knee is less fooked now).
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