Used approved prices
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I apreciate that the prices are going to be a bit over book at a BMW dealer. But how much room for negotiation? Sytner have a 2005 320d with 80K and are asking £11,500 for it which seems way OTT to me.
I was thinking in terms of starting negotiations at 10% less than asking price, but for that car I'd have thought £10K might be a reasonable opening offer.
I was thinking in terms of starting negotiations at 10% less than asking price, but for that car I'd have thought £10K might be a reasonable opening offer.
E90, but it's general prices I'm interested in rather than this particular car.
http://www.sytnerhighwycombebmw.co.uk/usedbmw/view...
http://www.sytnerhighwycombebmw.co.uk/usedbmw/view...
Hmmm.
Its priced accordlingly for mileage. The next closest with 68K miles is £11995
http://www.bmw.co.uk/bmwuk/auc/car_details/0,,1260...
Lower mileage examples are £12995+
My gut feeling is you could get £500 off easily. How much more you can chip off is going to be down to how long they've had it, how much they have to work with on it, what mood the sales manager is in.
I'd say if you got it below £10750 you'd be doing very well.
Its priced accordlingly for mileage. The next closest with 68K miles is £11995
http://www.bmw.co.uk/bmwuk/auc/car_details/0,,1260...
Lower mileage examples are £12995+
My gut feeling is you could get £500 off easily. How much more you can chip off is going to be down to how long they've had it, how much they have to work with on it, what mood the sales manager is in.
I'd say if you got it below £10750 you'd be doing very well.
hen I ask for the 'best price', they seem to knock about 5% off, then they don't like to go more - but can get near 10%, or take some extras instead e.g. GAP, Tyre Insurance etc.
I got some money off on the Z4, tyre insurance free (has already paid out £210), and paid cost price for the GAP which was £100 IIRC. Can't remember the deal on the 1 series.
I got some money off on the Z4, tyre insurance free (has already paid out £210), and paid cost price for the GAP which was £100 IIRC. Can't remember the deal on the 1 series.
E30M3SE said:
Just for some balance, a local independent dealer not far from me had the same car with 2K less on the clock up at £9995, not on the web site anymore so guess it's been sold.
You always pay a premium for Approved Used cars. I guess its the 'cast iron' warranty that makes it worthwhile...a_bloke said:
E30M3SE said:
Just for some balance, a local independent dealer not far from me had the same car with 2K less on the clock up at £9995, not on the web site anymore so guess it's been sold.
You always pay a premium for Approved Used cars. I guess its the 'cast iron' warranty that makes it worthwhile...E30M3SE said:
a_bloke said:
E30M3SE said:
Just for some balance, a local independent dealer not far from me had the same car with 2K less on the clock up at £9995, not on the web site anymore so guess it's been sold.
You always pay a premium for Approved Used cars. I guess its the 'cast iron' warranty that makes it worthwhile...E30M3SE said:
Just for some balance, a local independent dealer not far from me had the same car with 2K less on the clock up at £9995, not on the web site anymore so guess it's been sold.
There are lots of other options like http://www.autoquake.com/vehicle/inspid=12946 or mabe this http://carshop.co.uk/used-cars/view/137450/bmw-3-s...Not sure if you want Auto or not etc, but the car you mention is probably not the best value buy unless the warranty is included in the price, but then you have to contunue with full BMWSH which is a bit annoying (and costly).
christer said:
E30M3SE said:
Just for some balance, a local independent dealer not far from me had the same car with 2K less on the clock up at £9995, not on the web site anymore so guess it's been sold.
There are lots of other options like http://www.autoquake.com/vehicle/inspid=12946 or mabe this http://carshop.co.uk/used-cars/view/137450/bmw-3-s...Not sure if you want Auto or not etc, but the car you mention is probably not the best value buy unless the warranty is included in the price, but then you have to contunue with full BMWSH which is a bit annoying (and costly).
Also, assuming one service, you'd probably pay £300 for that from a main dealer, and maybe £200 from a good indy. I'm not seeing how that is 'costly'?
a_bloke said:
All Approved Used cars sold by a BMW dealer come with either the remainder of the manufacturers warranty or 1 year, whichever is greater included in the price.
Also, assuming one service, you'd probably pay £300 for that from a main dealer, and maybe £200 from a good indy. I'm not seeing how that is 'costly'?
Hi, yes it depends on what you want and what you base it on - if you base it on one service then ofc it is not going to be very different. My own view is that manufacturer's warranties are too restrictive. You have to get the car serviced by retards at dealerships at inflated prices. I am not sure whether the warranty allows you to use non-rft tyres for example. In the case of Porsche if you fit a non-approved tracker in your car (even if it is recommended by an official Porsche Centre o.O) then it invalidates the warranty etc. Also, assuming one service, you'd probably pay £300 for that from a main dealer, and maybe £200 from a good indy. I'm not seeing how that is 'costly'?
In the past 3 years I have saved around £1250-1500 minimum in running my old BMW 540 at independents. Now in this case the vehicle does not qualify for a warranty or anything else - but all things being equal I would have saved a lot of money regardless. In addition, the independents I use are much more passionate about our cars, rely completely on their reputation to gain business (unlike BMW dealers) and make fewer mistakes.
I am not saying one way or the other is better for everyone, but if you are buying a car that is just out of standard warranty I wanted to point out that there are other options. The cars I linked to above are not that cheap, but an alternative when you slap a £400 warrantywise warranty on it and get it serviced by people that actuallty care about your car and business.
FWIW, the cheapest 550 from BMW AUC at the moment is around £26-27k as far as I can see. Even if I had to replace the engine at my own cost I would still be "up" on buying one of those....
Only you will know what is best for you in aprticular scenario though of course. When you are looking at an 80K car, howlong will the warranty last?
Regardless of how Porsche do things or how running a old 540 (me too 
) through an indy works the fact remains that the BMW AUC warranty is extremely good indeed and certainly worth a premium over buying a car at an independent if the car you are buying is costly to fix if it goes wrong.
For my e39 540i I will use independents as the BMW dealer route is too expensive for an older car with no warranty.
For the M6 (RIP) I would never EVER have bought from an independent or private and with the complex nature of the higher-end and M cars now the AUC route is by far the safest.
If it's nearly new and a higher end vehicle then I'd say AUC all the way. Anything else then warranty shouldn't be as much of an issue just chuck a grand in a savings account and put £60 a month in there - rainy day money or fixes the car if it goes and lessens the hit.
) through an indy works the fact remains that the BMW AUC warranty is extremely good indeed and certainly worth a premium over buying a car at an independent if the car you are buying is costly to fix if it goes wrong.For my e39 540i I will use independents as the BMW dealer route is too expensive for an older car with no warranty.
For the M6 (RIP) I would never EVER have bought from an independent or private and with the complex nature of the higher-end and M cars now the AUC route is by far the safest.
If it's nearly new and a higher end vehicle then I'd say AUC all the way. Anything else then warranty shouldn't be as much of an issue just chuck a grand in a savings account and put £60 a month in there - rainy day money or fixes the car if it goes and lessens the hit.
christer said:
a_bloke said:
All Approved Used cars sold by a BMW dealer come with either the remainder of the manufacturers warranty or 1 year, whichever is greater included in the price.
Also, assuming one service, you'd probably pay £300 for that from a main dealer, and maybe £200 from a good indy. I'm not seeing how that is 'costly'?
Hi, yes it depends on what you want and what you base it on - if you base it on one service then ofc it is not going to be very different. My own view is that manufacturer's warranties are too restrictive. You have to get the car serviced by retards at dealerships at inflated prices. I am not sure whether the warranty allows you to use non-rft tyres for example. In the case of Porsche if you fit a non-approved tracker in your car (even if it is recommended by an official Porsche Centre o.O) then it invalidates the warranty etc. Also, assuming one service, you'd probably pay £300 for that from a main dealer, and maybe £200 from a good indy. I'm not seeing how that is 'costly'?
In the past 3 years I have saved around £1250-1500 minimum in running my old BMW 540 at independents. Now in this case the vehicle does not qualify for a warranty or anything else - but all things being equal I would have saved a lot of money regardless. In addition, the independents I use are much more passionate about our cars, rely completely on their reputation to gain business (unlike BMW dealers) and make fewer mistakes.
I am not saying one way or the other is better for everyone, but if you are buying a car that is just out of standard warranty I wanted to point out that there are other options. The cars I linked to above are not that cheap, but an alternative when you slap a £400 warrantywise warranty on it and get it serviced by people that actuallty care about your car and business.
FWIW, the cheapest 550 from BMW AUC at the moment is around £26-27k as far as I can see. Even if I had to replace the engine at my own cost I would still be "up" on buying one of those....
Only you will know what is best for you in aprticular scenario though of course. When you are looking at an 80K car, howlong will the warranty last?
But yes, outside of warranty, and as a car gets older then using an indy makes sense.
My 535d is now 4yo and i've went for an independent warranty instead of a BMW one and that has saved me £400. I'll probably continue to get it serviced at BMW as there is only 53K miles on it. Probably after 70K i'd just use an indy.
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