Are the petrol DI engine unreliable pieces of sh*t?
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Or am I just unlucky?
We've had our 330 touring for around two years and the EML has come on for the third time. The first time they replaced the HP fuel pump, injectors and ECU, the second time a coil pack. This time, it sounds like another coil pack has gone. Does there come a point when I can reject the car for being a lemon?
We've had our 330 touring for around two years and the EML has come on for the third time. The first time they replaced the HP fuel pump, injectors and ECU, the second time a coil pack. This time, it sounds like another coil pack has gone. Does there come a point when I can reject the car for being a lemon?
NoelWatson said:
Or am I just unlucky?
We've had our 330 touring for around two years and the EML has come on for the third time. The first time they replaced the HP fuel pump, injectors and ECU, the second time a coil pack. This time, it sounds like another coil pack has gone. Does there come a point when I can reject the car for being a lemon?
Not a lemon. Minor faults.We've had our 330 touring for around two years and the EML has come on for the third time. The first time they replaced the HP fuel pump, injectors and ECU, the second time a coil pack. This time, it sounds like another coil pack has gone. Does there come a point when I can reject the car for being a lemon?
Soovy said:
NoelWatson said:
Or am I just unlucky?
We've had our 330 touring for around two years and the EML has come on for the third time. The first time they replaced the HP fuel pump, injectors and ECU, the second time a coil pack. This time, it sounds like another coil pack has gone. Does there come a point when I can reject the car for being a lemon?
Not a lemon. Minor faults.We've had our 330 touring for around two years and the EML has come on for the third time. The first time they replaced the HP fuel pump, injectors and ECU, the second time a coil pack. This time, it sounds like another coil pack has gone. Does there come a point when I can reject the car for being a lemon?
t. It is on a par with the 10 year old £1000 Rallye I used to have.NoelWatson said:
Soovy said:
NoelWatson said:
Or am I just unlucky?
We've had our 330 touring for around two years and the EML has come on for the third time. The first time they replaced the HP fuel pump, injectors and ECU, the second time a coil pack. This time, it sounds like another coil pack has gone. Does there come a point when I can reject the car for being a lemon?
Not a lemon. Minor faults.We've had our 330 touring for around two years and the EML has come on for the third time. The first time they replaced the HP fuel pump, injectors and ECU, the second time a coil pack. This time, it sounds like another coil pack has gone. Does there come a point when I can reject the car for being a lemon?
t. It is on a par with the 10 year old £1000 Rallye I used to have.They have to fix it though.
I sympathise and agree. I got a brand new A4 and in the outside lane travelling at speed on the motorway the EML started flashing, the engine coughing and spluttering, and its one hell of a brown trouser moment; 2 hours later and my wife and I are sat in a tow-truck on the way home with our <3,000 mile piece of German junk on the trailer behind us. I was livid.
The cause - 2 broken coils but not ones that the RAC routinely carried.
The same thing happened about 3 months later (but not on the motorway this time thank goodness).
60,000 miles later and I have been through a total of 8 coil packs and now carry a full set of spares in the boot.
An absolute disgrace IMHO but something that over time I have come to live with (which I know should not be the case).
What can you do? Very little other than make your feelings known to BMW and see what happens. The only saving grace for me was that the Audi emergency response mechanics were always there within hours and fixed the car on the drive.
The cause - 2 broken coils but not ones that the RAC routinely carried.
The same thing happened about 3 months later (but not on the motorway this time thank goodness).
60,000 miles later and I have been through a total of 8 coil packs and now carry a full set of spares in the boot.
An absolute disgrace IMHO but something that over time I have come to live with (which I know should not be the case).
What can you do? Very little other than make your feelings known to BMW and see what happens. The only saving grace for me was that the Audi emergency response mechanics were always there within hours and fixed the car on the drive.
Soovy said:
NoelWatson said:
Or am I just unlucky?
We've had our 330 touring for around two years and the EML has come on for the third time. The first time they replaced the HP fuel pump, injectors and ECU, the second time a coil pack. This time, it sounds like another coil pack has gone. Does there come a point when I can reject the car for being a lemon?
Not a lemon. Minor faults.We've had our 330 touring for around two years and the EML has come on for the third time. The first time they replaced the HP fuel pump, injectors and ECU, the second time a coil pack. This time, it sounds like another coil pack has gone. Does there come a point when I can reject the car for being a lemon?
I would hate to see you face a real problem
Neil.D said:
Soovy said:
NoelWatson said:
Or am I just unlucky?
We've had our 330 touring for around two years and the EML has come on for the third time. The first time they replaced the HP fuel pump, injectors and ECU, the second time a coil pack. This time, it sounds like another coil pack has gone. Does there come a point when I can reject the car for being a lemon?
Not a lemon. Minor faults.We've had our 330 touring for around two years and the EML has come on for the third time. The first time they replaced the HP fuel pump, injectors and ECU, the second time a coil pack. This time, it sounds like another coil pack has gone. Does there come a point when I can reject the car for being a lemon?
I would hate to see you face a real problem
NoelWatson said:
Neil.D said:
Soovy said:
NoelWatson said:
Or am I just unlucky?
We've had our 330 touring for around two years and the EML has come on for the third time. The first time they replaced the HP fuel pump, injectors and ECU, the second time a coil pack. This time, it sounds like another coil pack has gone. Does there come a point when I can reject the car for being a lemon?
Not a lemon. Minor faults.We've had our 330 touring for around two years and the EML has come on for the third time. The first time they replaced the HP fuel pump, injectors and ECU, the second time a coil pack. This time, it sounds like another coil pack has gone. Does there come a point when I can reject the car for being a lemon?
I would hate to see you face a real problem
I feel your pain. But a coil pack breaking doesn't mean you can lemon it.
Sorry.
Soovy said:
NoelWatson said:
Neil.D said:
Soovy said:
NoelWatson said:
Or am I just unlucky?
We've had our 330 touring for around two years and the EML has come on for the third time. The first time they replaced the HP fuel pump, injectors and ECU, the second time a coil pack. This time, it sounds like another coil pack has gone. Does there come a point when I can reject the car for being a lemon?
Not a lemon. Minor faults.We've had our 330 touring for around two years and the EML has come on for the third time. The first time they replaced the HP fuel pump, injectors and ECU, the second time a coil pack. This time, it sounds like another coil pack has gone. Does there come a point when I can reject the car for being a lemon?
I would hate to see you face a real problem
I feel your pain. But a coil pack breaking doesn't mean you can lemon it.
Sorry.
NoelWatson said:
Soovy said:
NoelWatson said:
Neil.D said:
Soovy said:
NoelWatson said:
Or am I just unlucky?
We've had our 330 touring for around two years and the EML has come on for the third time. The first time they replaced the HP fuel pump, injectors and ECU, the second time a coil pack. This time, it sounds like another coil pack has gone. Does there come a point when I can reject the car for being a lemon?
Not a lemon. Minor faults.We've had our 330 touring for around two years and the EML has come on for the third time. The first time they replaced the HP fuel pump, injectors and ECU, the second time a coil pack. This time, it sounds like another coil pack has gone. Does there come a point when I can reject the car for being a lemon?
I would hate to see you face a real problem
I feel your pain. But a coil pack breaking doesn't mean you can lemon it.
Sorry.
If it snaps a crank or the paint ALL falls off, fine.
Three coils? No. Sorry.
Soovy said:
NoelWatson said:
Soovy said:
NoelWatson said:
Neil.D said:
Soovy said:
NoelWatson said:
Or am I just unlucky?
We've had our 330 touring for around two years and the EML has come on for the third time. The first time they replaced the HP fuel pump, injectors and ECU, the second time a coil pack. This time, it sounds like another coil pack has gone. Does there come a point when I can reject the car for being a lemon?
Not a lemon. Minor faults.We've had our 330 touring for around two years and the EML has come on for the third time. The first time they replaced the HP fuel pump, injectors and ECU, the second time a coil pack. This time, it sounds like another coil pack has gone. Does there come a point when I can reject the car for being a lemon?
I would hate to see you face a real problem
I feel your pain. But a coil pack breaking doesn't mean you can lemon it.
Sorry.
If it snaps a crank or the paint ALL falls off, fine.
Three coils? No. Sorry.
NoelWatson have a look at this.
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=...
With regards to the OP and subsequent comments, I get the feeling some of you are willing to live with crap service! Even if you have a Perodua Kelisa or a Rolls Royce Phantom, I would say as long as it is serviced in accordance with the manufactures recomendations then it shouln't breakdown in its first 3 years or 60,000 miles (aprrox 100,000 Km). I have an old 1.9 Pug 205, the head has gone twice but the coil pack has never gone!
In a car only 2 years old which has had this problem more than once, I would guess that there is more to this problem than meets the eye, I would therefore recommend 1; you send a letter to BMW (not your local dealer) asking if they could take a look at it, 2; write to Honest John in the Saturday Torygraph, if this is a known problem and what would be his recommendations?
HTH
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=...
With regards to the OP and subsequent comments, I get the feeling some of you are willing to live with crap service! Even if you have a Perodua Kelisa or a Rolls Royce Phantom, I would say as long as it is serviced in accordance with the manufactures recomendations then it shouln't breakdown in its first 3 years or 60,000 miles (aprrox 100,000 Km). I have an old 1.9 Pug 205, the head has gone twice but the coil pack has never gone!
In a car only 2 years old which has had this problem more than once, I would guess that there is more to this problem than meets the eye, I would therefore recommend 1; you send a letter to BMW (not your local dealer) asking if they could take a look at it, 2; write to Honest John in the Saturday Torygraph, if this is a known problem and what would be his recommendations?
HTH
Inverness said:
NoelWatson have a look at this.
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=...
With regards to the OP and subsequent comments, I get the feeling some of you are willing to live with crap service! Even if you have a Perodua Kelisa or a Rolls Royce Phantom, I would say as long as it is serviced in accordance with the manufactures recomendations then it shouln't breakdown in its first 3 years or 60,000 miles (aprrox 100,000 Km). I have an old 1.9 Pug 205, the head has gone twice but the coil pack has never gone!
In a car only 2 years old which has had this problem more than once, I would guess that there is more to this problem than meets the eye, I would therefore recommend 1; you send a letter to BMW (not your local dealer) asking if they could take a look at it, 2; write to Honest John in the Saturday Torygraph, if this is a known problem and what would be his recommendations?
HTH
First stop is to see if any of our equity analysts have some contacts in BMW. Then I will do your 1 and 2 suggestions. Maybe I should've got the diesel!!http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=...
With regards to the OP and subsequent comments, I get the feeling some of you are willing to live with crap service! Even if you have a Perodua Kelisa or a Rolls Royce Phantom, I would say as long as it is serviced in accordance with the manufactures recomendations then it shouln't breakdown in its first 3 years or 60,000 miles (aprrox 100,000 Km). I have an old 1.9 Pug 205, the head has gone twice but the coil pack has never gone!
In a car only 2 years old which has had this problem more than once, I would guess that there is more to this problem than meets the eye, I would therefore recommend 1; you send a letter to BMW (not your local dealer) asking if they could take a look at it, 2; write to Honest John in the Saturday Torygraph, if this is a known problem and what would be his recommendations?
HTH
NoelWatson said:
Maybe I should've got the diesel!!
Now you are just being silly!FYI - re my Audi coils, there were "reliability issues" (not "faults" otherwise Audi would have to keep paying) which resulted in slightly new coil designs. The part number is now suffixed by a letter to denote which series it is. I now have a full set of "D" series coils fitted which have so far been fine. The "B" and "C" series were little better than the original coils. The fault was that over time they allowed a small amount of water ingress - not a good mix with high voltage electricity.
I'd suggest you check whether any simiar issues have been found with the BMW coils and if it comes to it just replace the lot. As said by a few above, its not really that big an issue (relatively) but I'm totally with you that this should not happen on a new car. It does make you feel like you might as well have bought an Alfa!
Good luck.
>£3k worht of warranty work... yikes that dwarfs some of the potential Turbo diesel issues of Turbo's (£600) and injectors (£800) & fuel pump (£1k) and to have all of those go at the same time is plain bad luck.
Neol feel your pain 10 days - 2 working weeks without your Commuter is a real pain in the arse a real hassle & given you have spent £30k its not acceptable - that said even £5k new car Id be well put out.
Or putting it another way my wife runs a £500 16 year old car and has done for nearly 24months now it has broken down once and that was the distributer cap - worn out points corroded away (so my lack of maintence really) apart from that not a single thing. so £29.5k in the bank & more reliable.... not a great looking car not fast but it is safe starts first time every time low to mid 30's every tank park it anywhere without issue & pretty much zero depn. Heated seats too & electric windows & sunroof. I used it for 2 months commuting and yes its not a great car in any way but its comfy and gets you from A-B without any hassle, overtaking is not possible IMHO 89bhp when new and a big car = not fast & slow acceleration but it sits happily @70 or even 90 mph without much interior noise.
Bangeromics at its best.
Neol feel your pain 10 days - 2 working weeks without your Commuter is a real pain in the arse a real hassle & given you have spent £30k its not acceptable - that said even £5k new car Id be well put out.
Or putting it another way my wife runs a £500 16 year old car and has done for nearly 24months now it has broken down once and that was the distributer cap - worn out points corroded away (so my lack of maintence really) apart from that not a single thing. so £29.5k in the bank & more reliable.... not a great looking car not fast but it is safe starts first time every time low to mid 30's every tank park it anywhere without issue & pretty much zero depn. Heated seats too & electric windows & sunroof. I used it for 2 months commuting and yes its not a great car in any way but its comfy and gets you from A-B without any hassle, overtaking is not possible IMHO 89bhp when new and a big car = not fast & slow acceleration but it sits happily @70 or even 90 mph without much interior noise.
Bangeromics at its best.
Bumble SV said:
NoelWatson said:
Maybe I should've got the diesel!!
Now you are just being silly!FYI - re my Audi coils, there were "reliability issues" (not "faults" otherwise Audi would have to keep paying) which resulted in slightly new coil designs. The part number is now suffixed by a letter to denote which series it is. I now have a full set of "D" series coils fitted which have so far been fine. The "B" and "C" series were little better than the original coils. The fault was that over time they allowed a small amount of water ingress - not a good mix with high voltage electricity.
I'd suggest you check whether any simiar issues have been found with the BMW coils and if it comes to it just replace the lot. As said by a few above, its not really that big an issue (relatively) but I'm totally with you that this should not happen on a new car. It does make you feel like you might as well have bought an Alfa!
Good luck.
Bumble SV said:
NoelWatson said:
Maybe I should've got the diesel!!
Now you are just being silly!He has been lucky (so far)
Thanks for suggestion re coils - car is being picked up by BMW technician this morning so I will try and see what they diagnose (assuming they tell me the truth) and start scanning the forums.
I am going to think what to do when it goes out of warranty - I think there is an excess per claim when you buy the extended warranty.
Welshbeef said:
>£3k worht of warranty work... yikes that dwarfs some of the potential Turbo diesel issues of Turbo's (£600) and injectors (£800) & fuel pump (£1k) and to have all of those go at the same time is plain bad luck.
Neol feel your pain 10 days - 2 working weeks without your Commuter is a real pain in the arse a real hassle & given you have spent £30k its not acceptable - that said even £5k new car Id be well put out.
Or putting it another way my wife runs a £500 16 year old car and has done for nearly 24months now it has broken down once and that was the distributer cap - worn out points corroded away (so my lack of maintence really) apart from that not a single thing. so £29.5k in the bank & more reliable.... not a great looking car not fast but it is safe starts first time every time low to mid 30's every tank park it anywhere without issue & pretty much zero depn. Heated seats too & electric windows & sunroof. I used it for 2 months commuting and yes its not a great car in any way but its comfy and gets you from A-B without any hassle, overtaking is not possible IMHO 89bhp when new and a big car = not fast & slow acceleration but it sits happily @70 or even 90 mph without much interior noise.
Bangeromics at its best.
I thought I'd done my unreliable phase. I had a Mk1 106 Rallye and that was a great car but suffered (as most old french hatches seem to) from numerous ailments. I also belonged to the Classic Car Club and had enough of the cars breaking down. I bought the NSX (impeccable reliability) to replace 106 and the CCC membership, and BMW as a sporting, yet reliable car. Neol feel your pain 10 days - 2 working weeks without your Commuter is a real pain in the arse a real hassle & given you have spent £30k its not acceptable - that said even £5k new car Id be well put out.
Or putting it another way my wife runs a £500 16 year old car and has done for nearly 24months now it has broken down once and that was the distributer cap - worn out points corroded away (so my lack of maintence really) apart from that not a single thing. so £29.5k in the bank & more reliable.... not a great looking car not fast but it is safe starts first time every time low to mid 30's every tank park it anywhere without issue & pretty much zero depn. Heated seats too & electric windows & sunroof. I used it for 2 months commuting and yes its not a great car in any way but its comfy and gets you from A-B without any hassle, overtaking is not possible IMHO 89bhp when new and a big car = not fast & slow acceleration but it sits happily @70 or even 90 mph without much interior noise.
Bangeromics at its best.
What are the alternatives to BMW for small sporting estates that don't break down?
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