Exhaust smoke when cold...Help
Exhaust smoke when cold...Help
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pringle1988

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242 posts

214 months

Tuesday 20th April 2010
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Hi all
I recently bought a BMW 328, whenever I start the car from cold I get a blueish smoke from the exhaust, however sometimes it is more white in colour. It only smokes for about 30 seconds but quite a lot comes out and it doesnt do it after a warm start.
Does anybody have any ideas what this could be?

Thanks

louismchuge

1,644 posts

214 months

Tuesday 20th April 2010
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Valve stem seals?

dylan0451

1,040 posts

221 months

Tuesday 20th April 2010
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sounds that way... get a garage to do a compression test (or buy a tester) have a quick read up and do a dry and wet test

does the car use much oil?

pringle1988

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242 posts

214 months

Tuesday 20th April 2010
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Thanks for the replies so far, the oil level doesnt seem to have dropped but I have only had the car 5 days so cant really comment.
Im going to look into getting the compression test done.

Thanks again.

dylan0451

1,040 posts

221 months

Tuesday 20th April 2010
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maybe re label the thread 'BMW 328 Exhaust smoke when cold...Help' to get more bmw owner attention

white smoke from cold start is generally condensation, nothing to worry about

if you rev it when it's warm and up to temp do you get a lot of blue smoke?

pringle1988

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242 posts

214 months

Tuesday 20th April 2010
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I have once but only the once and that was when revved really hard.

mat205125

17,790 posts

243 months

Tuesday 20th April 2010
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louismchuge said:
Valve stem seals?
dylan0451 said:
sounds that way... get a garage to do a compression test ....
A compression test wont reveal any problems with valve stem seals, as the valves are closed during compression.


Cactussed

5,364 posts

243 months

Tuesday 20th April 2010
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I'd say worn valve guides or valve stem seals.
Results in a little oil seepage into the cylinder when its cold and a little blue smoke on startup.

Not catastrophic and will still run OK.

bazking69

8,620 posts

220 months

Tuesday 20th April 2010
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If it's blue smoke it can only be down to burning oil. It is getting past somewhere it shouldn't. I am presuming it has a few miles on the clock?

pringle1988

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242 posts

214 months

Tuesday 20th April 2010
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Yeah its a 1998 car and has 120,000 on the clock.

GrilledBeans

61 posts

198 months

Tuesday 20th April 2010
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Would sound like valve stem seals as i had this problem with one of my old fiesta's.

TonyRPH

13,546 posts

198 months

Tuesday 20th April 2010
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A good test would be to find a longish hill that you can cruise down on overrun (meaning in 4th / 5th - depending on speed, with foot off throttle) - then when the road evens out, just plant the throttle briefly - if you see a lot of blue smoke that'll be valve stem oil seals for sure. It's usually best to get somebody to follow you for this.

Other thing to try, is when the engine is warm, leave it idling for 2 -3 minutes, then 'blip' the throttle - if you see lots of blue smoke that's another indication that valve stem oil seals are tired.

You don't need to be going fast either - so it's quite safe...

I would be really surprised if your car has tired seals at that mileage though.. Perhaps the grade of oil you're running is too thin? That could cause a similar problem.




pringle1988

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242 posts

214 months

Tuesday 20th April 2010
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TonyRPH said:
A good test would be to find a longish hill that you can cruise down on overrun (meaning in 4th / 5th - depending on speed, with foot off throttle) - then when the road evens out, just plant the throttle briefly - if you see a lot of blue smoke that'll be valve stem oil seals for sure. It's usually best to get somebody to follow you for this.

Other thing to try, is when the engine is warm, leave it idling for 2 -3 minutes, then 'blip' the throttle - if you see lots of blue smoke that's another indication that valve stem oil seals are tired.

You don't need to be going fast either - so it's quite safe...

I would be really surprised if your car has tired seals at that mileage though.. Perhaps the grade of oil you're running is too thin? That could cause a similar problem.
Ive just tried the overrun method and I did get the blue smoke from the exhaust, so it is looking like valve stem seals.

Thanks again people.


TheEnd

15,370 posts

218 months

Tuesday 20th April 2010
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98 328 burning oil?

can you find the build date, or put in the last 7 digits of the chassis number into http://www.realoem.com/bmw/select.do and see when the build date was.

pringle1988

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242 posts

214 months

Wednesday 21st April 2010
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Im in the office at the minute so its not easy to get to my car but if I remember correctly there is a date stamped in the engine bay and im sure it is April 1998. I could be wrong though, il check when I get out tonight.
Are you thinking it could be another issue?

TheEnd

15,370 posts

218 months

Wednesday 21st April 2010
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Yea, M52 engines had a bore lining that would wear away prematurely, and BMW did quite a big engine swap program when the problem turned up. At first they weren't quite sure, so replaced the block, then after a while, it sunk it that the lining material, Nikasil wasn't up to the job. The next phase of block swap were to steel lined blocks(the M52s had alloy blocks and the older 325s etc had iron blocks)
The same issue hit the 4.0 V8s too, and eventually a new lining material called Alusil was introduced for the next generation engines.

Now there are quite a few people who will say it was down to northern high sulphur petrol which has all been phased out, so nikasil bore wear doesn't happen anymore, but i still hear of plenty of smoky cars dying from it.

Another less frightening possibility is blocked crank case breather plumbing which does still happen, but leaky valve stem seals are rare on BMWs

It was mid March when BMW introduced the alusil block on the e36 production line.

pringle1988

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242 posts

214 months

Thursday 22nd April 2010
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Forgive me if this is a stupid question, if it was engine bore wear would it be smokey all of the time rather than just on startup?

Ive just checked the build date for the engine and it is Feb 1998, does this mean that it will be most likely Nikasil?

Edited by pringle1988 on Thursday 22 April 11:21

TheEnd

15,370 posts

218 months

Thursday 22nd April 2010
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it will mean it originally came with a nikasil lined engine but it could have been changed from there on.
the pattern of smoke is pretty similar to valve stems, and the way to differentiate is by a compression test, looking for low compression, and then repeated with a drop of oil added to each cyl and seeing if the numbers get higher

Pentoman

4,835 posts

293 months

Thursday 22nd April 2010
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I'm voting for head gasket - water leaking into cylinders while it's sitting and then being burnt off. Valve stem seals doesn't in my experience make significant smoke after it's been sitting but then every car's different so I could be wrong.

pringle1988

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242 posts

214 months

Thursday 22nd April 2010
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If it was head gasket would I get oil in the water and water in the oil causing that mayonaise like substance under the filler cap?