How much would I lose on a new F10 535D MSport?
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My 2005 E60 M5 is getting a little old and worn now. Also developing the odd little fault and I fancy a change. I don't usually buy new cars (bought the M5 18 months old for £52k, new price over £70k) as I'd rather let somebody else take the initial hit.
I really like the new 5 series (having test driven the F10 530d M sport) and am thinking of breaking my cardinal rule and ordering a brand new one (535d Msport) to my spec. Once specced up the rrp is about £57k, an online broker can do it for £51k. This would obviously be a very well specced car.
How much would this car be worth trade in when it's three years old?
Thanks
I really like the new 5 series (having test driven the F10 530d M sport) and am thinking of breaking my cardinal rule and ordering a brand new one (535d Msport) to my spec. Once specced up the rrp is about £57k, an online broker can do it for £51k. This would obviously be a very well specced car.
How much would this car be worth trade in when it's three years old?
Thanks
Deep said:
My 2005 E60 M5 is getting a little old and worn now. Also developing the odd little fault and I fancy a change. I don't usually buy new cars (bought the M5 18 months old for £52k, new price over £70k) as I'd rather let somebody else take the initial hit.
I really like the new 5 series (having test driven the F10 530d M sport) and am thinking of breaking my cardinal rule and ordering a brand new one (535d Msport) to my spec. Once specced up the rrp is about £57k, an online broker can do it for £51k. This would obviously be a very well specced car.
How much would this car be worth trade in when it's three years old?
Thanks
Probably around £25K on trade in.I really like the new 5 series (having test driven the F10 530d M sport) and am thinking of breaking my cardinal rule and ordering a brand new one (535d Msport) to my spec. Once specced up the rrp is about £57k, an online broker can do it for £51k. This would obviously be a very well specced car.
How much would this car be worth trade in when it's three years old?
Thanks
Edited by daemon on Saturday 30th October 12:43
This answer is of course half. The question is 51 or 57 thus the £27 is 
£25k on trade in/px is acceptable after three years. Mileage would be low as I tend to do about 8000/year. But going by the examples toxic nerve has kindly put up it will be a lot less! The 18 month old one is up for £30k, that means BMW would have taken it in for about £25kish in px?
Thanks
Thanks
I bought an E60 535d m Sport brand new in 2006 and paid £48k for it when the list was £54k. This was also through a broker and it had a mega spec. I sold it Privately after 3.5 years for £21,500 and it was in mint condition without a mark anywhere and had done only 32k miles!
It was carbon black black with black leather 19's Visability, Nav etc.
HTH
It was carbon black black with black leather 19's Visability, Nav etc.
HTH
Edited by 6BMW on Saturday 30th October 22:27
Edited by 6BMW on Saturday 30th October 22:29
If you do low mileage per year why a 535d? Surely coming from an E60 M5 the 550i with its new 4.4 V8 Twin Turbo is the obvious cheap, and a 535i better if you fancy 6 cylinders.
The diesels strength is its ability to offer near 535i performance but with better economy. With low annual mileage and £50,000 to spend on cars you dont strike me as the sort who needs the economy.
The diesels strength is its ability to offer near 535i performance but with better economy. With low annual mileage and £50,000 to spend on cars you dont strike me as the sort who needs the economy.
6BMW, thanks. I'd be 'happy' with that level of depreciation, especially as I should do a bit better as there will still be no new shape on the horizon in 3 years time.
The question of petrol vs diesel is interesting. It's true I do not do enough mileage to make a diesel pay, but these are my thoughts, and I'd appreciate the opinions of phers.
1) 550 M sport. Once specced, this starts to get really expensive ie base price is £8k more than the 535d
2) The 535i petrol is cheaper than the 535d. Though they have similar power ie 306 vs 300 BHP, the 535d has considerably more torque ie 600nm vs 400nM ie 50% more. That should make everyday driving a lot more fun. I will also over three years probably save about £1000 on fuel costs, when I come to sell the 535d will probably hold onto its value just a bit better. So the 535d will cost £5k more to buy initially and I'll recoup a few £k back in terms of fuel and resale, so for about £2.5k extra I'll have enjoyed a car with 50% more torque for three years. And I get the impression that the turbo diesels respond that little bit better to a remap than turbo petrols do?
Any comments welcomed
The question of petrol vs diesel is interesting. It's true I do not do enough mileage to make a diesel pay, but these are my thoughts, and I'd appreciate the opinions of phers.
1) 550 M sport. Once specced, this starts to get really expensive ie base price is £8k more than the 535d
2) The 535i petrol is cheaper than the 535d. Though they have similar power ie 306 vs 300 BHP, the 535d has considerably more torque ie 600nm vs 400nM ie 50% more. That should make everyday driving a lot more fun. I will also over three years probably save about £1000 on fuel costs, when I come to sell the 535d will probably hold onto its value just a bit better. So the 535d will cost £5k more to buy initially and I'll recoup a few £k back in terms of fuel and resale, so for about £2.5k extra I'll have enjoyed a car with 50% more torque for three years. And I get the impression that the turbo diesels respond that little bit better to a remap than turbo petrols do?
Any comments welcomed
just out of question, if you don't mind me asking, how many miles has your M5 done, and what sort of faults are you getting?
thanks.
good luck with the new purchase. the new 5 looks much more interesting in the metal than in pics, and the interior is particularly lovely with the right colour scheme.
Ross.
thanks.
good luck with the new purchase. the new 5 looks much more interesting in the metal than in pics, and the interior is particularly lovely with the right colour scheme.
Ross.
Deep said:
2) The 535i petrol is cheaper than the 535d. Though they have similar power ie 306 vs 300 BHP, the 535d has considerably more torque ie 600nm vs 400nM ie 50% more. That should make everyday driving a lot more fun.
But the 535i revs higher which both:a) Negates the torque at the flywheel advantage
b) Is more fun than not revving.
I'd imagine the 535i is the more enjoyable engine. The torque on each is pretty much the same by the same it reaches the road, hence why they both have similar power output?
Because power is a product of torque and revs. If the extra torque made a massive difference and made the car genuinelly more powerful surely it would have more bhp as a result?
Fox- said:
Deep said:
2) The 535i petrol is cheaper than the 535d. Though they have similar power ie 306 vs 300 BHP, the 535d has considerably more torque ie 600nm vs 400nM ie 50% more. That should make everyday driving a lot more fun.
But the 535i revs higher which both:a) Negates the torque at the flywheel advantage
b) Is more fun than not revving.
I'd imagine the 535i is the more enjoyable engine. The torque on each is pretty much the same by the same it reaches the road, hence why they both have similar power output?
Because power is a product of torque and revs. If the extra torque made a massive difference and made the car genuinelly more powerful surely it would have more bhp as a result?
Edited by daemon on Sunday 31st October 14:01
Ross the mileage is approx 43000. I've developed a vibration that comes through the steering wheel and I've already spent about £700 trying to find out what it is with no joy. It's been there about 9 months now so probably nothing that serious but it's always a worry. A long engine on the M5 costs over £20k!
Fox, I take your point however I think for everyday driving the extra torque does make a difference. The M5 for example has a very high revving engine but that can be very tiresome when you are not in the mood. The M5 is a car that is not particularly fun to drive when not gunning it. On a clear road and keeping the revs above 4krpm and revving it to 8.5krpm is great fun, but how often do those opportunities arise on UK roads on the way to work or doing the school run?
So I think (I could be wrong) that for fast and fun driving on normal roads at normal speeds ie accelerating up to 70mph, the extra torque does make a difference. Or at least it gives the perception that it is....
Fox, I take your point however I think for everyday driving the extra torque does make a difference. The M5 for example has a very high revving engine but that can be very tiresome when you are not in the mood. The M5 is a car that is not particularly fun to drive when not gunning it. On a clear road and keeping the revs above 4krpm and revving it to 8.5krpm is great fun, but how often do those opportunities arise on UK roads on the way to work or doing the school run?
So I think (I could be wrong) that for fast and fun driving on normal roads at normal speeds ie accelerating up to 70mph, the extra torque does make a difference. Or at least it gives the perception that it is....
Deep said:
Ross the mileage is approx 43000. I've developed a vibration that comes through the steering wheel and I've already spent about £700 trying to find out what it is with no joy. It's been there about 9 months now so probably nothing that serious but it's always a worry. A long engine on the M5 costs over £20k!
sorry to hear about that. curious to know as my father has an M3 V8 (i know, it's a different car but a lot of technology is similar so curious to know) and his now has a little over 33k on it and, touch wood, it's been as good as gold. though it's only june '08 so not as old by any stretch.they don't seem to build them as tough these days. hope you enjoy whatever you get.
Deep said:
Fox, I take your point however I think for everyday driving the extra torque does make a difference. The M5 for example has a very high revving engine but that can be very tiresome when you are not in the mood. The M5 is a car that is not particularly fun to drive when not gunning it. On a clear road and keeping the revs above 4krpm and revving it to 8.5krpm is great fun, but how often do those opportunities arise on UK roads on the way to work or doing the school run?
But the engine in the 535i is different - it also offers plenty of torque, arriving at as little as 1300rpm.It's a great engine, part of the reason I'm after a 3 Series next is because this engine was never offered in the E60..
Ross, your old man has a nice car! On the whole these cars are actually very reliable. The only problem is when something big goes wrong outside of warranty it can be mega bucks, that's the downside of such technologically advanced and highly tuned engines.
Fox, to be fair I should drive the 535i. I haven't done that and on the basis of what you have said I will make sure I do test drive it against the 535d to make a proper informed decision.
Christer the thing is if it's going to be 60% then I would consider waiting 6-12 months and buying a used one. I want to change now but 60% would be just a bit too much for me to lose.
Thanks again
Fox, to be fair I should drive the 535i. I haven't done that and on the basis of what you have said I will make sure I do test drive it against the 535d to make a proper informed decision.
Christer the thing is if it's going to be 60% then I would consider waiting 6-12 months and buying a used one. I want to change now but 60% would be just a bit too much for me to lose.
Thanks again
Deep said:
Ross the mileage is approx 43000. I've developed a vibration that comes through the steering wheel and I've already spent about £700 trying to find out what it is with no joy. It's been there about 9 months now so probably nothing that serious but it's always a worry. A long engine on the M5 costs over £20k!
Fox, I take your point however I think for everyday driving the extra torque does make a difference. The M5 for example has a very high revving engine but that can be very tiresome when you are not in the mood. The M5 is a car that is not particularly fun to drive when not gunning it. On a clear road and keeping the revs above 4krpm and revving it to 8.5krpm is great fun, but how often do those opportunities arise on UK roads on the way to work or doing the school run?
So I think (I could be wrong) that for fast and fun driving on normal roads at normal speeds ie accelerating up to 70mph, the extra torque does make a difference. Or at least it gives the perception that it is....
Thats why I have ordered the 550i M Sport, pure torque and power, I have the M3 E90 2010 now, the new 550i comes in december/jan. GO 550i you'll love it.Fox, I take your point however I think for everyday driving the extra torque does make a difference. The M5 for example has a very high revving engine but that can be very tiresome when you are not in the mood. The M5 is a car that is not particularly fun to drive when not gunning it. On a clear road and keeping the revs above 4krpm and revving it to 8.5krpm is great fun, but how often do those opportunities arise on UK roads on the way to work or doing the school run?
So I think (I could be wrong) that for fast and fun driving on normal roads at normal speeds ie accelerating up to 70mph, the extra torque does make a difference. Or at least it gives the perception that it is....
JMRS4 said:
Deep said:
Ross the mileage is approx 43000. I've developed a vibration that comes through the steering wheel and I've already spent about £700 trying to find out what it is with no joy. It's been there about 9 months now so probably nothing that serious but it's always a worry. A long engine on the M5 costs over £20k!
Fox, I take your point however I think for everyday driving the extra torque does make a difference. The M5 for example has a very high revving engine but that can be very tiresome when you are not in the mood. The M5 is a car that is not particularly fun to drive when not gunning it. On a clear road and keeping the revs above 4krpm and revving it to 8.5krpm is great fun, but how often do those opportunities arise on UK roads on the way to work or doing the school run?
So I think (I could be wrong) that for fast and fun driving on normal roads at normal speeds ie accelerating up to 70mph, the extra torque does make a difference. Or at least it gives the perception that it is....
Thats why I have ordered the 550i M Sport, pure torque and power, I have the M3 E90 2010 now, the new 550i comes in december/jan. GO 550i you'll love it.Fox, I take your point however I think for everyday driving the extra torque does make a difference. The M5 for example has a very high revving engine but that can be very tiresome when you are not in the mood. The M5 is a car that is not particularly fun to drive when not gunning it. On a clear road and keeping the revs above 4krpm and revving it to 8.5krpm is great fun, but how often do those opportunities arise on UK roads on the way to work or doing the school run?
So I think (I could be wrong) that for fast and fun driving on normal roads at normal speeds ie accelerating up to 70mph, the extra torque does make a difference. Or at least it gives the perception that it is....
Nice choice though mate, did you spec the adaptive drive?
You might be interested to know that Dinan (USA) have released their stage 1 remap for the 550 to give 495 BHP!!
http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/f10-m5-discussion...
I reckon 50% of the base price is a good guide....depends on what extra spec you have put on it as to what you will get back for those....maybe a £1000 over a standard car? You should get a little more for a below average mileage too. Are there any must have's on the spec list that you haven't ordered ? Looking at it you definitely need the top Sat Nav package and the Visibility Pack. There are a few other things like through load, heated seats, sun protection glass, folding mirrors that most people will want on a used car too. I reckon you'll get some money back on the latter/have more people interested. I'd avoid the non metallic colours too...especially white. Might not be so fashionable in three years.
I bought an E60 535d in late 2004 (it was one of the first 535d M Sports around). I think base was £40k and I put £5 or £6k of extra spec on it. I sold it on a trade in to a dealer 3 years later for £28k with below average miles. Which I thought was fairly cheap motoring (in percentage terms) for a new car. It wasn't an inflated price as I was bought one of the first X5 SD's which there were very long queues for at the time.
I bought an E60 535d in late 2004 (it was one of the first 535d M Sports around). I think base was £40k and I put £5 or £6k of extra spec on it. I sold it on a trade in to a dealer 3 years later for £28k with below average miles. Which I thought was fairly cheap motoring (in percentage terms) for a new car. It wasn't an inflated price as I was bought one of the first X5 SD's which there were very long queues for at the time.
Thanks Beardy. Yes I'm going for all the desirable and what I perceive must have options
1) Sat Nav
2) Adaptive drive (probably)
3) Bigger alloys
4) Comfort (full electric) seats
5) Heated seats
6) Sunroof
7) Folding mirrors
8) Xenon lights
9) Top speaker package
10) Through load
11) Heads up display (can't live without this after my M5)
12) Heated steering wheel(never had this before!)
13) Rear spoiler
14) Comfort glass.
Colour will be straightforward metallic black and oyster/black leather
If I can get 50% of base price + an extra £1k for the high spec and an extra £1K or so for the low mileage then all in all it's acceptable for buying a new car. As you said that's relatively cheap motoring for having a brand new car. On top of that I'll be spending less on fuel, road tax and insurance than my M5.
What did you change your car for by the way?
1) Sat Nav
2) Adaptive drive (probably)
3) Bigger alloys
4) Comfort (full electric) seats
5) Heated seats
6) Sunroof
7) Folding mirrors
8) Xenon lights
9) Top speaker package
10) Through load
11) Heads up display (can't live without this after my M5)
12) Heated steering wheel(never had this before!)
13) Rear spoiler
14) Comfort glass.
Colour will be straightforward metallic black and oyster/black leather
If I can get 50% of base price + an extra £1k for the high spec and an extra £1K or so for the low mileage then all in all it's acceptable for buying a new car. As you said that's relatively cheap motoring for having a brand new car. On top of that I'll be spending less on fuel, road tax and insurance than my M5.
What did you change your car for by the way?
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