Help - blocked Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) on my Alpina
Help - blocked Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) on my Alpina
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Ashok

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622 posts

289 months

Friday 25th March 2011
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I recently got a warning light come up for a blocked DPF on my Alpina D3. The car has covered just under 60,000 miles. Took it to the dealer; having inspected it they said there was nothing to do except replace the DPF unit at a cost of £1100+fitting. The worst part is this isn't covered by the warranty - I'm a bit miffed since I've not done anything to cause this (except driving the car in town instead of on the motorway).

I've heard rumours about a product called "Marly Ultra Turbo Cleaner" that's supposed to be able to clear the DPF thereby saving me a considerable sum for the replacement. However, I've not been able to find this anywhere. I've tried various diesel engine & injector 'cleaners' but with no effect.

Can anybody please advise me what to do next or better yet where to get hold of this Marly product in the London area? Thanks in advance.

paoloh

8,617 posts

234 months

Friday 25th March 2011
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Is it possible to just remove the DPF?

B16JUS

2,386 posts

267 months

Friday 25th March 2011
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id try a few addatives as thats a easy one.

if not most custom exhaust places will cut it open and remove or bypass etc a lot lot cheaper than 1100

J

griffter

4,143 posts

285 months

Friday 25th March 2011
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have you tried a long motorway run? As far as i understand, the dpf burns off deposits and needs to be regularly run at high temp to achieve this.

Deva Link

26,934 posts

275 months

Friday 25th March 2011
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Ashok said:
I..I've not done anything to cause this (except driving the car in town instead of on the motorway).
There's a slight contradiction there. You're not supposed to have a car with a dpf if you use it mainly around town.

Ashok

Original Poster:

622 posts

289 months

Friday 25th March 2011
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Hmm.. time to take the wife for a shopping trip to Bicester Village methinks! I'll do the motorway run and see if it works. Not too keen on removing the DPF altogether - surely there are MOT/mapping issues. Still on the lookout for that Marly additive.. can anyone help with that?

Ashok

Original Poster:

622 posts

289 months

Friday 25th March 2011
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I'll be sure to take it for a motorway run in the next few days and report back.

The car is used as a daily driver and I'd say it's about 85% urban (city) driving. To be honest, I had never heard of this problem before now. All my previous cars were petrol and the only reason I switched was the cost of driving an M5 around London was getting silly.

Not sure about the savings by going to an independent garage.. since the bulk of the cost is the part itself. Any recommendations in West London?

E30M3SE

8,493 posts

226 months

Friday 25th March 2011
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Can a manual regeneration not be performed, or is it too far gone for this?

Neil.D

2,878 posts

236 months

Friday 25th March 2011
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For the regeneration to start and continue the coolant temp must get above 75c.

If it drops below this it will stop it's operation.

On my E61 there is a 'hidden display' that gets you a real time display of the coolant temp.

Mine runs at about 79C and this is quite low. When the regen takes place it goes up to about 92C.

It's worth checking, if you can the water temp as you may have a thermostat that is sticking open.

gizlaroc

17,251 posts

254 months

Friday 25th March 2011
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A guy on babybmw.net removed his completely, just took the DPF out of the exhaust but left the casing and the sensor in there so it looked compeletely stock.
He gained around 10bhp and 10% in mpg as well, so well worth doing.


gizlaroc

17,251 posts

254 months

Ashok

Original Poster:

622 posts

289 months

Friday 25th March 2011
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wow.. interesting stuff.. perhaps I should remove the p.o.s. completely. my only concern doing this would be that the car passes it's MOT (emissions test). by the way I run it exclusively on Shell V-Power diesel (just a habit from my old M5/Optimax days)...

roofer

5,136 posts

241 months

Friday 25th March 2011
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gizlaroc said:
A guy on babybmw.net removed his completely, just took the DPF out of the exhaust but left the casing and the sensor in there so it looked compeletely stock.
He gained around 10bhp and 10% in mpg as well, so well worth doing.
Interesting, any link Gizalroc?

GT Kevin

229 posts

228 months

Friday 25th March 2011
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Try this mate! Use this at work on the French motors

http://www.tunap.com/en/ranges/automotive/products...

Edited by GT Kevin on Friday 25th March 19:40

gizlaroc

17,251 posts

254 months

Friday 25th March 2011
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roofer said:
Interesting, any link Gizalroc?
I was trying to find it, but couldn't.
But searching on there I see a few have done it now.

One said that with the DPF on his 123d topped out at 255bhp but after the removal they managed to get it to 287bhp, so very restrictive.

Just search DPF* on there.

TheEnd

15,370 posts

218 months

Friday 25th March 2011
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There is a differential pressure sensor that covers the DPF to check how full it is.
Removing it will show the same pressure on each side, and the ECU will flag an error without the DPF-off mods in the ECU.

phelix

4,683 posts

279 months

Saturday 26th March 2011
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There's a thread on e60.net about cleaning it by removing it and then flushing it - seems to have worked for a few people.

Neil.D - if your car only gets to 79 deg C at speed that's too low; your fuel economy will suffer.

gizlaroc

17,251 posts

254 months

Saturday 26th March 2011
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phelix said:
Neil.D - if your car only gets to 79 deg C at speed that's too low; your fuel economy will suffer.
Agreed.

Get a new thermosat, bet you will see a nice MPG gain.

Neil.D

2,878 posts

236 months

Saturday 26th March 2011
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You're probably right, it is probably low.
I have done a lot of reading about running tempretures and 75C is the crucial temp for the DPF.

I am planning on having it done, it's just - one day soon.

A lot of LCI E60's are having DPF issues, on these cars they are supposedly a lifetime item. Its probably the same for the Facelift E90. I suspect it is the cool running not allowing a regen and without a coolant temp gague - that would be barely out of the blue section, people are being stung by dealers for £1500 for a new DPF without the cause of the clagging up being rectified.

Ashok, try and establish your coolant temp, replace the thermostat if necessary then have a 'forced regeneration' done via a GT1 - or similar diagnostics. It may clear up the issue rather than cost 1.5k for a new DPF.

briers

873 posts

209 months

Saturday 26th March 2011
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You can't purge it yourself, it doesn't work like that.

A DPF trap large pieces of carbon, heats up the filter with excess fuel and turns these pieces of carbon into a very fine ash. Once the filter is full, it's full.

May be you can dissemble and clean it, but it is still a big job.

It is true that using a diesel car on short, low speed journeys will exaggerate the problem. You need heat, lower rpm loading and good fuel to keep the soot to a minimum. Driving short journeys at higher rpm's and light loads is a recipe for disaster.