RE: BMW F800GT: PH2 Ridden
RE: BMW F800GT: PH2 Ridden
Tuesday 19th March 2013

BMW F800GT: PH2 Ridden

A great sporty tourer but does anyone actually want such a thing?



What has happened to the sports tourer? A few years ago there was the iconic Honda VFR800, Aprilia Futura (remember them?), Ducati ST models, Triumph Sprint ST and Honda Super Blackbird all jostling for position. These were bikes that could be ridden two-up to the south of France and then while your better half was busy shopping you could explore the local twisties. Nowadays all that is left in this class is the aging Sprint GT, VFR and, well, that's about it. The rest are expensive and heavy full-on tourers such as the VFR1200 or FJR1300. Where can you point a finger as to the reasons for this decline? Fashions and the economic climate.

Long road ahead? This BMW's got your back
Long road ahead? This BMW's got your back
The popularity of bikes such as the Honda Crossrunner (which ironically uses a VFR engine), KTM SMT, Ducati Multistrada and Triumph Tiger have all brought fast-steering 17-inch wheeled handling to the adventure market while machines such as the Z1000SX and FZ1 Fazer are naked bikes that have been converted to semi-sports tourers with minimal effort and maximum cost saving. True, the VFR and Sprint are dedicated lightweight sports tourers, but the VFR is pretty much unchanged since it went VTEC in 2002 while the GT is an updated ST, which first appeared eight years ago. Against this background it does seem a strange decision by BMW to launch a sports touring version of its parallel twin 800.

What have we got?
The F800GT is basically a F800ST with a new set of clothes and a more advanced fuel map that boosts the parallel twin's power from 85hp to 90hp while torque is 63lb ft. The GT (Gran Turismo) side is taken care of by a larger full fairing and improved luggage facilities and riding position with safety addressed by ABS as standard fitment which can't be turned off. As with any BMW you also get a full range of optional extras and acronyms which include traction control (ASC), electronic suspension (ESA), alarm (DWA), heated grips (HG), luggage (L), GPS (GPS), pillion (WiFe), etc...

It can do the miles but it's also capable here
It can do the miles but it's also capable here
On the move
The F800 parallel twin engine is a strange old fruit and seems to suit some bikes more than others. The F800GS and older F650GS models are great uses of the motor while personally I've never got on with the naked F800R. In the GT the engine seems to have found a perfect home.

Despite having the same firing order as the GS, modifications to the fuel map and throttle bodies/exhaust have taken the GS's raw and aggressive edge off the motor and smoothed it out to a very pleasant sports tourer engine. As well as an excellent throttle response the GT is relatively vibration free and even sounds quite good. It's a very easy engine for covering distances with a good spread of low down power helping cut down the gear changes and although it certainly isn't the fastest, it is more than happy to cruise at motorway speeds.

The bikes we rode all came with BMW's electronic suspension (ESA) and traction control (ASC) fitted. With a fairly minimal 95hp, non aggressive power delivery and the grip finding characteristics of a parallel twin engine the ASC was pretty redundant even in the damp conditions, however for the £335 it costs to add (it can be retro fitted) I would probably pay the extra this option for safety's sake. The only time the ASC gets in the way is when you are pulling wheelies, something I can't see many GT owners attempting...

Sensible, mature ... no, not Jon, the bike
Sensible, mature ... no, not Jon, the bike
Comfort and touring performance
There is no point having a touring bike that requires you to stop every hour to either fill up or relieve aching limbs and with the GT you can cover decent miles before having to pull over. The riding position is very comfortable and with 55mpg easily achieved (you can push this to 65-70mpg if you try) the 15-litre tank should see over 150 miles before needing filling. Personally I'd have liked to see the GT capable of over 200 miles on a tank, so maybe a 20-litre item would have been good, but BMW have made every effort to keep the GT's weight down to give it sporty handling.

On my rather damp ride on the GT it showed an accomplished sporty side. Adjusting the ESA from Comfort to Sport did seen to firm the rear end a bit and through the corners the GT was fairly agile. A 50mm longer swingram when compared to the F800R does seem to have reduced a bit of the speed of turn in, however once leant over the GT was stable and assured.

ABS is among the many acronyms
ABS is among the many acronyms
Conclusion
Despite the GT being a very pleasant bike to ride the case for actually buying one seems marginal, which is probably why the sports tourer market is starting to die a death. Those who do still want this kind of machine will certainly enjoy the GT, it does exactly what you want from a sports tourer and delivers a comfortable ride, decent handling and over 55mpg frugality. But do these potential owners still exist?

With a £8,095 OTR price (which is the base model with no fancy bits apart from ABS) the GT is around £1-2,000 cheaper than the VFR800, Triumph Tiger and KTM SMT. However it is about the same cost as the £8,499 Sprint GT when you start to include panniers etc which come as standard on the Triumph.

With the GT BMW are hoping to attract younger riders who may not want the weight of the Boxer engined tourers (it can be restricted to A2 compliant 48hp) or older riders who are getting on a bit and downsizing for the same reasons.

The GT is a charming bike that ticks all the right boxes and if you are in the market for a sports tourer with a low seat height and decent looks it should be certainly considered. But you have to question just how many riders are in this market.


BMW F800GT
Engine:
798cc parallel twin
Power: 90hp@8,000rpm
Torque: 63lb ft@5,800rpm
Top speed: 130mph (est)
Weight: 213kg (wet)
MPG: 55
Price: £8,095

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Artstu

Original Poster:

150 posts

226 months

Tuesday 19th March 2013
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Just adding a comment so I can actually read the article, my netbook doesn't like the page until a comment is made, then it formats correctly on my screen.

GC8

19,910 posts

221 months

Tuesday 19th March 2013
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Had I known I would have done this earlier, for you... hehe

ZesPak

26,156 posts

227 months

Tuesday 19th March 2013
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1-2k versus it's most obvious rival, the VFR800 seems very reasonable, although isn't honda stopping the VFR800 completely?

jackh707

2,132 posts

187 months

Tuesday 19th March 2013
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A 15 litre tank, on a touring orientated bike is just stupidity, regardless of good fuel economy.
Why not just make it 20 litres and have proper range?

beetroute

47 posts

238 months

Tuesday 19th March 2013
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"...I struggle to see many owners wanting to buy one ..." ?

If you are an owner, presumably you already have one. Are you suggesting people will simply steal them, perhaps go for a test ride and never come back ? Still, should be a relatively easy pull for moto-plod

creampuff

6,511 posts

174 months

Tuesday 19th March 2013
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beetroute said:
"...I struggle to see many owners wanting to buy one ..." ?

If you are an owner, presumably you already have one. Are you suggesting people will simply steal them, perhaps go for a test ride and never come back ? Still, should be a relatively easy pull for moto-plod
BMWs can have problematic reliability. Owners may want to buy a second one, so that at least one will be working at any given time.

Hooli

32,278 posts

231 months

Tuesday 19th March 2013
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creampuff said:
beetroute said:
"...I struggle to see many owners wanting to buy one ..." ?

If you are an owner, presumably you already have one. Are you suggesting people will simply steal them, perhaps go for a test ride and never come back ? Still, should be a relatively easy pull for moto-plod
BMWs can have problematic reliability. Owners may want to buy a second one, so that at least one will be working at any given time.
hehe

Jon Urry

28 posts

181 months

Tuesday 19th March 2013
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Ha, hands up, the word potential should possibly be in there! Thankfully Dan is down as the author...

MrKipling43

5,788 posts

247 months

Tuesday 19th March 2013
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Interesting that niches in motorcycles are disappearing where one seems to open up every day in cars... 'Yeah, let's make a four door version of a two door version of a four door car!'.

(WiFe) - good chuckle at that one.

Mike Tuckwood

1,261 posts

230 months

Tuesday 19th March 2013
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The Sports Tourer market in BMW terms is awful right now.
With the demise of the excellent K1300 GT (I've got one of the last ones made, the EE), and their move to a more "Gold Wing" oriented bike with the K1600GT it's left a gap in the market? I don't see how this one will adequately fill that gap either.

Mike.

creampuff

6,511 posts

174 months

Tuesday 19th March 2013
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Mike Tuckwood said:
The Sports Tourer market in BMW terms is awful right now.
With the demise of the excellent K1300 GT (I've got one of the last ones made, the EE), and their move to a more "Gold Wing" oriented bike with the K1600GT it's left a gap in the market? I don't see how this one will adequately fill that gap either.

Mike.
There is still that 1200cc boxer thing the police use.

A 15 litre tank on the F800GT is pants though.

ZesPak

26,156 posts

227 months

Tuesday 19th March 2013
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Mike Tuckwood said:
The Sports Tourer market in BMW terms is awful right now.
With the demise of the excellent K1300 GT (I've got one of the last ones made, the EE), and their move to a more "Gold Wing" oriented bike with the K1600GT it's left a gap in the market? I don't see how this one will adequately fill that gap either.

Mike.
K1300S? More sporty but deffo to the tourer side with the shaft drive, and a direct rival for the VFR1200F

jhoneyball

1,802 posts

307 months

Tuesday 19th March 2013
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I've got a year old F800ST, which i bought from new and has now done 4500 miles. I ordered it from factory with the optional low suspension, and picked it up on the day i passed my test.

And there is a clue -- it is a truly excellent first bike. Love mine to bits (alongside my Triumph and Harley!). And the dealer has been utterly superb.

Jon

Hammerhead

2,709 posts

285 months

Tuesday 19th March 2013
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I quite like it (and the ST) smile

ellisd82

685 posts

239 months

Tuesday 19th March 2013
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15 litre tank is bizare? I have a 16ltr on my Honda CBR600. There are many bikes that where meant to be something else that have now been put into tourer class. The CBR600 for instance, is good for 2 up riding and blasts on the road.
Maybe its that more people own multiple bikes. One for touring, one for commuting and one for a blast. I think back when sports tourers became popular, it was because people only had one bike, so it needed to do alot.
With plenty of good sports tourers in the second hand market, still going strong, why get something brand new.
I am a real fan of the ST class.

Dan Trent

1,866 posts

199 months

Tuesday 19th March 2013
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Jon Urry said:
Ha, hands up, the word potential should possibly be in there! Thankfully Dan is down as the author...
Corrected, attributed, etc!

Dan

Farrant

561 posts

193 months

Tuesday 19th March 2013
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I like em. They're probably gonna be on the shortlist for my next bike.

Dr Jekyll

23,820 posts

292 months

Tuesday 19th March 2013
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The bikes the article lists as alternatives such as the Sprint GT and VFR800 are chain drive, which rules them out for a lot of us. Now Honda have stopped making the Deauville I can't think of anything to compete with this BMW, other non chain bikes are unnecessarily big and expensive for many purposes.

boyse7en

8,227 posts

196 months

Tuesday 19th March 2013
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I've got an 2006 F800S which has a 15 litre tank and I easily get 200 miles out of a tankful - and that's on a regular 15 mile commute, not a long steady-speed motorway run which gives even better economy. I've had the bike for four years now, and put over 20,000 miles on the clock. The only fault I've had was a leaking oil cooler (repaired by me for £15). Tyres (Avon 3D Ultras at the mo) last about 6000 miles.

If the F800GT proves as cheap to run as my current bike, I'd consider one (but not in white)

Pothole

34,367 posts

313 months

Tuesday 19th March 2013
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I'm a little confused. The ASC is pretty much redundant, but you'd happily spend your first year's insurance premium/new textile jacket/new matching helmet cost on it?

Why haven't more manufacturers embraced belt drive?