RE: Honda CB500 FA: Review
RE: Honda CB500 FA: Review
Tuesday 27th August 2013

Honda CB500 FA: Review

Jon swaps his R1 to sample the reality of restricted licence riding



Passing the bike test used to be simple. On my 16th birthday I did the CBT and then spent a year falling off my Suzuki TS ER50 (during which time I once hit a dizzying 45mph, downhill) before taking my full licence test on my 17th birthday on an 80cc bike I borrowed from a mate. Job done, I could then ride anything I liked, which I did. Crashing my Kawasaki Z250 three days later and breaking my collar bone in the process...

This is as big a bike as you'll get on an A2
This is as big a bike as you'll get on an A2
While I was young and stupid, a lack of financial resources limited my speed and I learnt the vital skills to staying alive and generally controlling a machine by falling off loads of under-powered crappers. Natural selection I guess - if I got sick of gravel rash then bikes weren't for me but if I could handle the odd bit of pain then by the time I could afford the terrifyingly powerful RD400 I was a fairly competent rider. Although to be fair I crashed this as well a few times. And I also crashed the NC30 that I progressed to afterwards.

School of hard knocks
Anyway, times have changed and in the current climate where accidents aren't allowed to happen the government has dictated learners need to go through a baffling series of tests before they can ride any machine of their choice. The theory is that by limiting the speed, power and weight of a bike for a set number of years, riders will learn better bike control. I suppose in essence that is exactly what I did, courtesy of Little Chef wages rather than complicated licencing laws.

Parallel twin is smooth but runs out of puff
Parallel twin is smooth but runs out of puff
While some may say the new licencing laws are killing off motorcycling, I'm not convinced as there is a whole new range of bikes appearing to cater for A2 licence holders. Generally built in China, India or Thailand to keep costs low, bikes such as the Honda CB500 range, KTM Duke 390, Kawasaki Ninja 300 and the like are cheap, frugal and good looking machines that all deliver less than the required 35Kw/47.6hp. They may not be as sexy as the NC30s I lusted after when I was 19, but times have changed. But are they fun to ride and, above all, is an A2 licence compliant bike a viable form of day to day transport? PH2 borrowed a CB500FA for a week to see what life on a restricted licence was like...

Life on an A2 bike
Picking up the CB from Honda's HQ near Heathrow I was pleasantly surprised. It's not a bad looking bike at all and the quality of finish appears pretty solid. With a price tag of £4,650 the Honda is well priced comes with a fuel gauge (you would be amazed how many budget and non-budget bikes lack this), ABS, pillion grab rails and an LCD display as standard. The switchgear looks a bit chunky in its styling, but that's no bad thing as it is easy to operate with a gloved hand. Not a bad start. How would it cope with the M25?

Having ridden down on my R1, I was expecting the CB to feel a touch slow on the journey home. Accelerating up the slip road I was pretty impressed by the CB's parallel twin engine, it burbled (the exhaust note is very quiet) up to an indicated 70mph fairly rapidly and as I joined the traffic the speedo was showing ... a little bit more. When you are riding a slow bike joining fast moving traffic it is far safer to accelerate into a gap than hang back and try and join the flow. The CB's 46hp is certainly enough power to zip into a gap. However once on the move it did trail off.

Honda's got its mucking controls fuddled
Honda's got its mucking controls fuddled
When up to speed the CB hits a bit of a wall at just beyond the legal limit. You can open the throttle further but there isn't much more to go. You have a little in hand when it comes to accelerating past traffic, however as nearly everyone drives at 80mph anyway it means you are just about at the limit of your velocity when in the outside lane. Having completed the 120 miles of M25 and A1 I did feel like I was on the limit of the bike's straight line performance the whole time.

But with no fairing about 70-ish mph is a far more sensible, and comfortable with the only real irritation being the swap in position of horn and indicator buttons. Meaning you indicate at cars in irritation and hoot every time you change lane...

Having thrashed the hell out of the motor for over 140 miles, the fuel gauge still showed several bars but I decided to top it up anyway. It took just 11 litres of fuel, meaning I averaged around 70mpg - an impressive figure for flat-out motorway miles.

Digital dash includes a fuel gauge - the decadence!
Digital dash includes a fuel gauge - the decadence!
Around town
I blatted about on the CB for the next week, popping into town and generally using it as cheap transport. The fuel economy remained in the 70mpg area and the handling was impressive. The Honda is a light bike to flick through congestion and the clutch is nice and progressive. The seating position is comfortable for short hops and the Honda doesn't feel too much like a toy and has a 'big bike' feel about it. My only real irritation was the switchgear as I kept hooting the horn rather than indicating, but overall I was impressed.

Function rather than fun
There is nothing at all wrong with the CB500FA. The top speed is excellent, the handling assured and the economy amazing. But. I used to be excited when I took out the NC30 or RD but the CB fails to blow my skirt up. It is functional transport that can be run on a budget, just not very exciting. Maybe I've become spoiled by faster machinery but if you want to inspire future generations into taking up two wheels they need something that provides the kind of buzz that made me fall for motorcycles all those years ago. Does the CB provide this? Not really. The identical but faired CBR500 is better but it is still a bit of a sheep in wolf's clothing. But is this really a bad thing? There are plenty of countries all over the world that have demonstrated that cheap motoring is the way forward, and if this is the case then the CB500FA can't be knocked.


Honda CB500FA
Engine:
471cc parallel twin
Power: 46hp@8,500rpm (claimed)
Torque: 32lb ft@7,000rpm (claimed)
Top speed: 100mph (est)
Weight: 192kg (wet)
MPG: 70
Price: £4,650

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sad61t

Original Poster:

1,100 posts

231 months

Tuesday 27th August 2013
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Ah, Who needs government intervention with the wallet-limited learning curve? - AR50, CB100 (bought from various scrap yards and spent more time on the shed table than on the road), KH100, ZZR250 (Grin factor 10), GPX500 (awful, should have got the GPZ600 that was in the dealership at the same price), big gap, then a couple of scooters for bumbling around town.

Would happily get the Ninja300 if it could recreate the memories of sunny afternoons on the ZZR250 on the B roads near Melton/Coltserworth. Did run out of puff at 70 (about 12,000 RPM in sixth) but so chuckable and the progressive throttle/chassis combo was very forgiving of mistakes.

jamespink

1,218 posts

225 months

Tuesday 27th August 2013
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Its strange how 46 HP is not enough to excite. In 1967 slightly less than this figure propelled the Velocette Thruxton into the Isle of Man TT record books with 1st and 2nd in the production class and back in '61, a Velocette Venom single with far less power (38 BHP) achieved 100mph for 24 hours (I think the record still stands). The BHP figure it would seem is exciting enough, just the manner of delivery that tastes stale.

srob

12,301 posts

259 months

Tuesday 27th August 2013
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It is far more than enough to have fun with, just not enough to impress the other old boys your mates down the British Legion bar with like a S1000RR smile

Nice to see another Velo rider on here, too thumbup

jamespink

1,218 posts

225 months

Tuesday 27th August 2013
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srob said:
It is far more than enough to have fun with, just not enough to impress the other old boys your mates down the British Legion bar with like a S1000RR smile

Nice to see another Velo rider on here, too thumbup
Its funny how much its costing to get my Velo up to 46BHP! New head, twin spark plugs Aaaarrrrggghh!

srob

12,301 posts

259 months

Tuesday 27th August 2013
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jamespink said:
Its funny how much its costing to get my Velo up to 46BHP! New head, twin spark plugs Aaaarrrrggghh!
What Velo is it, Venom I assume?

The most fun Velo I ride is the Mk1 KTT. No idea what the power of it is (although it does have some Mk8 innards, so probably more than it should!) - but I can comfortably lift it with one arm which makes it so much faster than you'd expect, and fun!

cuda

468 posts

261 months

Tuesday 27th August 2013
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"the government has dictated learners need to go through a baffling series of tests before they can ride any machine of their choice. The theory is that by limiting the speed, power and weight of a bike for a set number of years, riders will learn better bike control"

Wish they'd do the same for cars...

mopman94

417 posts

156 months

Tuesday 27th August 2013
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I'm surprised at what you said about its top speed given its 500cc and 46bhp. My KTM Duke 200 is 200 cc and 25bhp but will do 80mph on the motorway. It can reach 85 if there is no wind, not that I would know.

RumpleFugly

2,378 posts

231 months

Tuesday 27th August 2013
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jamespink said:
Its strange how 46 HP is not enough to excite. In 1967 slightly less than this figure propelled the Velocette Thruxton into the Isle of Man TT record books with 1st and 2nd in the production class and back in '61, a Velocette Venom single with far less power (38 BHP) achieved 100mph for 24 hours (I think the record still stands). The BHP figure it would seem is exciting enough, just the manner of delivery that tastes stale.
But nowadays you have a chassis, suspension and tyres that are match for much more that power. The whole bike is just much more capable so that power is less of an event.

srob

12,301 posts

259 months

Tuesday 27th August 2013
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RumpleFugly said:
But nowadays you have a chassis, suspension and tyres that are match for much more that power. The whole bike is just much more capable so that power is less of an event.
But the million dollar question is, what's more fun?!


mike-r

1,539 posts

212 months

Tuesday 27th August 2013
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Not sure why everyone quotes UK motorcycle licencing laws as 'baffling' and as a cause of discouragement for riders. I'm 24 and flew straight through my test in a month without a single minor, all booked as soon as they were available. It's really not that difficult to get on a bike.

I'm personally glad tests aren't like they were. It's about the only bit of Govt regulation pertaining to vehicles and/or roads I actually support. I know breaking your collarbone is hilarious but let's see how funny it is when your bike slides into a pedestrian at 50mph.

And of course you won't feel a buzz that made you fall in love with motorcycles, you've been riding them for quite some time. For the rest of us starting out, the buzz is being in the open and on two wheels, it doesn't matter what you're doing it on. I certainly don't need the charm of an old knacky (and apparently unstable) bike to add to it.


MrB1obby

771 posts

171 months

Tuesday 27th August 2013
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mike-r said:
Not sure why everyone quotes UK motorcycle licencing laws as 'baffling' and as a cause of discouragement for riders. I'm 24 and flew straight through my test in a month without a single minor, all booked as soon as they were available. It's really not that difficult to get on a bike.

And of course you won't feel a buzz that made you fall in love with motorcycles, you've been riding them for quite some time. For the rest of us starting out, the buzz is being in the open and on two wheels, it doesn't matter what you're doing it on. I certainly don't need the charm of an old knacky (and apparently unstable) bike to add to it.
Errrmm, you're at the age group which is unaffected by the laws...17 Year olds now have to have 4 years of restricted riding before being allowed on a powerful bike, that is a hell of a lot of time. I passed my test a couple of months after my 17th birthday, and I've just turned 21 so I would now be looking at getting a bike of more than 46bhp. Imagine new car drivers not being able to exceed a 1.2 for 4 years as it's probably the equivalent!

You don't want the charm of an old knackered bike because you haven't owned one(?) wink I now want a less powerful, older bike because I miss the character of my old one.


jamespink said:
The BHP figure it would seem is exciting enough, just the manner of delivery that tastes stale.
Exactly, give it 4ft lbs torque and 46 bhp and it would be incredible! hehe



Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

276 months

Tuesday 27th August 2013
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mopman94 said:
I'm surprised at what you said about its top speed given its 500cc and 46bhp. My KTM Duke 200 is 200 cc and 25bhp but will do 80mph on the motorway. It can reach 85 if there is no wind, not that I would know.
Agreed, I'd have thought 46bhp would be more than adequate to hit 100+ mph.

Quite a nice looking bike for a commuter though, far more interesting than the old CB500.

Wacky Racer

40,451 posts

268 months

Tuesday 27th August 2013
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I passed my test on a Honda 90 sports a month after my 16th birthday in 1969, and moved on to this 650cc TR6 Triumph twin a month after that.



(Pictured in Bournemouth in 1972)

The nearest equivelent to this CB500FA at that time was the DOHC CB450 "Black Bomber" which was quite fast, but handled like a pig.

spareparts

6,796 posts

248 months

Tuesday 27th August 2013
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Stopped through the Honda dealer on the way home tonight and had a look at these. Nice utility bike. But I think the X version appears the better option. Makes sense in 3 years time when they'll be £2.5k.

mopman94

417 posts

156 months

Tuesday 27th August 2013
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Mr2Mike said:
Agreed, I'd have thought 46bhp would be more than adequate to hit 100+ mph.

Quite a nice looking bike for a commuter though, far more interesting than the old CB500.
I'm sure the Ninja 300 can do over 100mph, it does have the advantage of being more aerodynamic but I would of expected this bike to mange motorways easily, in fact I expected it to do 90mph with ease being my 200cc doesn't even begin to struggle until 70mph.

sad61t

Original Poster:

1,100 posts

231 months

Wednesday 28th August 2013
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Agreed, I'm surprised the Honda 500 is struggling at mway speeds; the GPX500 had no problem keeping up with traffic and even my old ZZR250 could do 95. (Probably more but the front-end got quite light and I knew I had to ride home from the track day. Took three days for the grin to wear off. spin )

srob

12,301 posts

259 months

Wednesday 28th August 2013
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mike-r said:
Not sure why everyone quotes UK motorcycle licencing laws as 'baffling' and as a cause of discouragement for riders. I'm 24 and flew straight through my test in a month without a single minor, all booked as soon as they were available. It's really not that difficult to get on a bike.

I'm personally glad tests aren't like they were. It's about the only bit of Govt regulation pertaining to vehicles and/or roads I actually support. I know breaking your collarbone is hilarious but let's see how funny it is when your bike slides into a pedestrian at 50mph.

And of course you won't feel a buzz that made you fall in love with motorcycles, you've been riding them for quite some time. For the rest of us starting out, the buzz is being in the open and on two wheels, it doesn't matter what you're doing it on. I certainly don't need the charm of an old knacky (and apparently unstable) bike to add to it.
My girlfriend who's 23 wants a classic scooter. Typically they're 175-200cc (although there are some 125s, but they're priced at a premium and that restricts the options) and they probably put out no more than ~8bhp?

Before these tests, she could have done the 125cc test and been restricted to 33bhp for two years (as I was) which would have been fine as she could take the test on a small, light 125. The new A2 test dictates you must pass the test on a bike of at least 395cc and with a power output of 33-46.6bhp to ride a 175cc scooter. She's absolutely no interest in riding a bike that big and to be honest, I suspect she'd be put off by trying so I'm not keen on her doing that either.

She wants to be able to join in with the classic bikes on a nice little scoot but would have to pass her test on a bike five times as powerful as she'd ever want to ride.

So that's one person put off.


Numeric

1,499 posts

172 months

Wednesday 28th August 2013
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The power thing is odd - always would have been put off by anything that smacked of being low power and sub an easy 100mph, but now trundle around very happily in the speed restricted environs of Oz on a KTM 690 which I really love. Horses for courses I reckon (and the discovery that 100kph on a dirt road feels ample quick for this trail novice!!) Perhaps it's more fear of low power than its actual reality.

Yam 50 trail thing, hideously unreliable so mostly pushed, Honda C70 pushed a lot, Honda H100, Guzzi V50 (pushed), 2xGuzzi Spada loads of pushing - loads of BMW Boxers oddly never pushed!

Rawwr

22,722 posts

255 months

Wednesday 28th August 2013
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Funnily enough, a friend who passed his A2 is collecting his on Sunday. We went out for test rides last Sunday and it really is a decent enough bike and accelerates well enough not to be a hazard, and although the sound is quiet it is at least a nice sound.


Richyboy

3,744 posts

238 months

Wednesday 28th August 2013
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70mpg nice.

I've just realised why my gsxr doesn't have a fuel gauge - to stop me thinking about how much fuel I'm using.