Filtering hazards
Discussion
Okay so I wanted to ask why it seems to be all the rage now that when a biker is filtering down a line of traffic he leaves his hazards on. The first time I saw it the guy was wearing a polite vest and to be honest that in itself makes me think idiot.
Couple of years ago you never saw it, recently going down the A2 there seems to be a long line of bikers who have their hazards on.like a JFK cavalcade
I only ever use hazards when the bike has a problem and I need to stop somewhere.
To me it looks so learner driver to have your hazards on all the time it makes me cringe. Its as if the biker is saying I'm a hazard avoid me.
What do others think?
Couple of years ago you never saw it, recently going down the A2 there seems to be a long line of bikers who have their hazards on.like a JFK cavalcade
I only ever use hazards when the bike has a problem and I need to stop somewhere.
To me it looks so learner driver to have your hazards on all the time it makes me cringe. Its as if the biker is saying I'm a hazard avoid me.
What do others think?
As you wish. Should be filtering as if no one has seen you anyway.
I don't have hazards.
Highway code says don't use when driving.
116
Hazard warning lights. These may be used when your vehicle is stationary, to warn that it is temporarily obstructing traffic. Never use them as an excuse for dangerous or illegal parking. You MUST NOT use hazard warning lights while driving or being towed unless you are on a motorway or unrestricted dual carriageway and you need to warn drivers behind you of a hazard or obstruction ahead. Only use them for long enough to ensure that your warning has been observed.
Law RVLR reg 27
I don't have hazards.
Highway code says don't use when driving.
116
Hazard warning lights. These may be used when your vehicle is stationary, to warn that it is temporarily obstructing traffic. Never use them as an excuse for dangerous or illegal parking. You MUST NOT use hazard warning lights while driving or being towed unless you are on a motorway or unrestricted dual carriageway and you need to warn drivers behind you of a hazard or obstruction ahead. Only use them for long enough to ensure that your warning has been observed.
Law RVLR reg 27
I don't see the benefit of using hazards whilst filter, any car driver cutting across lanes won't differentiate between this and a car indicating behind them so will be ignored. To the disdain of many, I have a bright LED aux light that I hope draws more attention in a "WTF is that" way.
I think if you need to use aux lights/main beam/misleading hazard lights/pretend "police" vest, to feel safe riding your bike it's time to call it a day to be honest. I'm all for acting the goat and contravening the highway code when it's safe, and more importantly fun to do so, but if you can't feel safe moving through slow moving traffic without being lit up like a Christmas tree, then I think you're bit s
t personally.
I always say this, but it's really not victimless. Confusing signals really are pain in the arse and don't make people safer, bright aux lights/main beam really are "dazzling", really are a distraction, and don't make things safer for anyone. In some instances, admittedly not so much filtering, they're outright dangerous. Moreover, anyone thinking they deserve special treatment on a bike pisses off motorists, and makes them more likely to act with disdain to other motorcyclists in future.
After all that is why these things are counter indicated by the in the highway code and associated lighting regs. They didn't miss a trick when they wrote it, you aren't smarter than they are, it's just that motorists should be considerate regardless of their vulnerabilities, and burning out people's retina's because you're too scared, or doing random things with your lights to draw attention to yourself, really isn't doing any of us a favour.
t personally. I always say this, but it's really not victimless. Confusing signals really are pain in the arse and don't make people safer, bright aux lights/main beam really are "dazzling", really are a distraction, and don't make things safer for anyone. In some instances, admittedly not so much filtering, they're outright dangerous. Moreover, anyone thinking they deserve special treatment on a bike pisses off motorists, and makes them more likely to act with disdain to other motorcyclists in future.
After all that is why these things are counter indicated by the in the highway code and associated lighting regs. They didn't miss a trick when they wrote it, you aren't smarter than they are, it's just that motorists should be considerate regardless of their vulnerabilities, and burning out people's retina's because you're too scared, or doing random things with your lights to draw attention to yourself, really isn't doing any of us a favour.
Like all risk management, filtering a motorcycle between lines of traffic is a balance of probability vs. impact. (Unfortunate term in this circumstance! 
)
There is little I can do with regards to reducing the “impact” element of the equation other than management of speed differential and the wearing of protective clothing (and I definitely don’t want to test the protective clothing!!!) so all I can really do is manage the probability side.
I don’t like doing anything that will make other road users (physically) uncomfortable so no main beam, no bright aux lights, no “loud pipes” etc. That said, I’m also a great believer in the mantra that it’s better to be seen
and risk possible confusion in relation to actions/predictions, than to not be seen in the first place. I’ll happily trade the risk of a motorist seeing me with my hazards on, and misinterpreting them as an indication of turning as opposed to the motorist not being able to distinguish the filtering headlight from all the other lights on the road behind and not knowing I’m there.
If that makes me a dick, plank or any other derogatory term you want to use then I’m happy that my belief/perception is that i'll remain a live, unhurt but still making progress, dick/plank/whatever longer.
)There is little I can do with regards to reducing the “impact” element of the equation other than management of speed differential and the wearing of protective clothing (and I definitely don’t want to test the protective clothing!!!) so all I can really do is manage the probability side.
I don’t like doing anything that will make other road users (physically) uncomfortable so no main beam, no bright aux lights, no “loud pipes” etc. That said, I’m also a great believer in the mantra that it’s better to be seen
and risk possible confusion in relation to actions/predictions, than to not be seen in the first place. I’ll happily trade the risk of a motorist seeing me with my hazards on, and misinterpreting them as an indication of turning as opposed to the motorist not being able to distinguish the filtering headlight from all the other lights on the road behind and not knowing I’m there.If that makes me a dick, plank or any other derogatory term you want to use then I’m happy that my belief/perception is that i'll remain a live, unhurt but still making progress, dick/plank/whatever longer.
If you find yourself doing any of the below regularly, you are widely hated
1. Bounce your bike off the limiter
2. Berate other road users by waving your fist
3. Shake your head repeatedly at every driver
4. Tap your wky head camera at them as you pass them playing snake on their phone / eating breakfast
5. Wear a POLITE vest
6. Swerve with aggression in and out of cars when you are really achieving nothing you couldn't do moving slightly left and right
7. Punch off peoples wing mirrors on purpose
8. Ride with your hazards on while filtering
9. Block people who are faster at filtering than you
10. Have full adventure panniers on with a piece of fruit and a 2 piece sandwich in
1. Bounce your bike off the limiter
2. Berate other road users by waving your fist
3. Shake your head repeatedly at every driver
4. Tap your w
ky head camera at them as you pass them playing snake on their phone / eating breakfast5. Wear a POLITE vest
6. Swerve with aggression in and out of cars when you are really achieving nothing you couldn't do moving slightly left and right
7. Punch off peoples wing mirrors on purpose
8. Ride with your hazards on while filtering
9. Block people who are faster at filtering than you
10. Have full adventure panniers on with a piece of fruit and a 2 piece sandwich in
Edited by supercommuter on Tuesday 14th November 15:27
Fleegle said:
black-k1 said:
If that makes me a dick, plank or any other derogatory term you want to use then I’m happy that my belief/perception is that i'll remain a live, unhurt but still making progress, dick/plank/whatever longer.
so.........+1
supercommuter said:
If you find yourself doing any of the below regularly, you are widely hated
1. Bounce your bike off the limiter
2. Berate other road users by waving your fist
3. Shake your head repeatedly at every driver
4. Tap your wky head camera at them as you pass them playing snake on their phone / eating breakfast
5. Wear a POLITE vest
6. Swerve with aggression in and out of cars when you are really achieving nothing you couldn't do moving slightly left and right
7. Punch off peoples wing mirrors on purpose
8. Ride with your hazards on while filtering
9. Block people who are faster at filtering than you
10. Have full adventure panniers on with a piece of fruit and a 2 piece sandwich in
You missed off my bright aux light.1. Bounce your bike off the limiter
2. Berate other road users by waving your fist
3. Shake your head repeatedly at every driver
4. Tap your w
ky head camera at them as you pass them playing snake on their phone / eating breakfast5. Wear a POLITE vest
6. Swerve with aggression in and out of cars when you are really achieving nothing you couldn't do moving slightly left and right
7. Punch off peoples wing mirrors on purpose
8. Ride with your hazards on while filtering
9. Block people who are faster at filtering than you
10. Have full adventure panniers on with a piece of fruit and a 2 piece sandwich in
Edited by supercommuter on Tuesday 14th November 15:27
Rule 116
You MUST NOT use hazard warning lights while driving or being towed unless you are on a motorway or unrestricted dual carriageway and you need to warn drivers behind you of a hazard or obstruction ahead.
Law RVLR reg 27
Using them when filtering therefore looks to be a no no.
(as already posted higher up)
You MUST NOT use hazard warning lights while driving or being towed unless you are on a motorway or unrestricted dual carriageway and you need to warn drivers behind you of a hazard or obstruction ahead.
Law RVLR reg 27
Using them when filtering therefore looks to be a no no.
(as already posted higher up)
CaptainSlow said:
supercommuter said:
If you find yourself doing any of the below regularly, you are widely hated
1. Bounce your bike off the limiter
2. Berate other road users by waving your fist
3. Shake your head repeatedly at every driver
4. Tap your wky head camera at them as you pass them playing snake on their phone / eating breakfast
5. Wear a POLITE vest
6. Swerve with aggression in and out of cars when you are really achieving nothing you couldn't do moving slightly left and right
7. Punch off peoples wing mirrors on purpose
8. Ride with your hazards on while filtering
9. Block people who are faster at filtering than you
10. Have full adventure panniers on with a piece of fruit and a 2 piece sandwich in
11. Bight Auxillery lights pointing to eye level
12. Headlight on full beam
You missed off my bright aux light.1. Bounce your bike off the limiter
2. Berate other road users by waving your fist
3. Shake your head repeatedly at every driver
4. Tap your w
ky head camera at them as you pass them playing snake on their phone / eating breakfast5. Wear a POLITE vest
6. Swerve with aggression in and out of cars when you are really achieving nothing you couldn't do moving slightly left and right
7. Punch off peoples wing mirrors on purpose
8. Ride with your hazards on while filtering
9. Block people who are faster at filtering than you
10. Have full adventure panniers on with a piece of fruit and a 2 piece sandwich in
11. Bight Auxillery lights pointing to eye level
12. Headlight on full beam
Edited by supercommuter on Tuesday 14th November 15:27
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