2016/2018 R1

[This-isnt-real]

Has anyone the 2018 R1 on order?

I am wondering if it’s worth purchasing or if a used 2016 would deliver the same fun for a bit less money?

[moto_traxport]

Not much difference in the 2CR model from 2015 onwards, despite a change in chassis prefix - I'm assuming to denote full Euro 4 compliance.

[/dalek mode off]

You could try getting an unregistered 2015 or 2016 from a dealer - there are loads about. I reckon £14k OTR without even going the pre-registered route. Stick it on the road 1st March and hey presto 18 plate for a 2015 bike that's not really any different.

[WaferThinHam]

There must be 2017 R1's sat in dealers with 0 miles. You could have it in a week rather than waiting for the 2018 stock. Unless there's a 2018 colour you're in love with, look at that. Also nothing wrong with buying a used example, they're no different from 2015 as said.

[mckeann]

Haven't they changed the electronics slightly and that's about it???

[moto_traxport]

mckeann said:

Haven't they changed the electronics slightly and that's about it???

2018 bike due to have different throttle mapping I think.

I'd buy an earlier bike and get it flashed if I was in the market. Which I'm not, no way, not intetested at all.

Mike at ProBike in Newbury has still got a red 2015 one sat unregistered last time I popped in.

2015 bike had chassis number starting JYA obviously for Japan Yamaha and then RN321 then the unit number. I think it changed to JYA RN491 for 2017. Not sure about the 2018 bikes yet. They used to (and probably still do) make the sporty stuff in December & January and then stick them on a boat, hence Feb-ish delivery. To get them earlier you need to pay air freight.

[This-isnt-real]

I did look at the Ducati V4, but they aren’t doing much for me for some reason. Plus they are a another bracket in price.

Back to the Yamaha, The 2018 colours are nicer I think. But is it £xxxx nicer than the 17 model??

[mckeann]

moto_traxport said:

2018 bike due to have different throttle mapping I think.

I'd buy an earlier bike and get it flashed if I was in the market. Which I'm not, no way, not intetested at all.

Mike at ProBike in Newbury has still got a red 2015 one sat unregistered last time I popped in.

2015 bike had chassis number starting JYA obviously for Japan Yamaha and then RN321 then the unit number. I think it changed to JYA RN491 for 2017. Not sure about the 2018 bikes yet. They used to (and probably still do) make the sporty stuff in December & January and then stick them on a boat, hence Feb-ish delivery. To get them earlier you need to pay air freight.

Didn't the 15 have some engine issues? I've seen some adverts where bikes have been rebuilt with some 16 engine parts

[moto_traxport]

mckeann said:

Didn't the 15 have some engine issues? I've seen some adverts where bikes have been rebuilt with some 16 engine parts

Not sure. I know a few heavily tracked bikes have done rods but wasn't aware it was year specific yet? If it's going to happen to any it's generally the first year.

Then there was the gearbox update but that should have been done to all the 2015 bikes by now.

[graeme4130]

moto_traxport said:

mckeann said:

Didn't the 15 have some engine issues? I've seen some adverts where bikes have been rebuilt with some 16 engine parts

Not sure. I know a few heavily tracked bikes have done rods but wasn't aware it was year specific yet? If it's going to happen to any it's generally the first year.

Then there was the gearbox update but that should have been done to all the 2015 bikes by now.

There was some gearbox recall from what I remember ?

[simon-c]

2016 is the best year to buy, the gearbox fault was fixed. The 2017 with the black engine has different engine mapping for euro 4 compliance and I think there is less access to diagnostic information via the dash. I am currently building a very high spec 2016 track bike for a customer and it's a dream to work on compared to the BMW I built for him previously.

[This-isnt-real]

simon-c said:

2016 is the best year to buy, the gearbox fault was fixed. The 2017 with the black engine has different engine mapping for euro 4 compliance and I think there is less access to diagnostic information via the dash. I am currently building a very high spec 2016 track bike for a customer and it's a dream to work on compared to the BMW I built for him previously.

Many thanks!

[legzr1]

I think it's all been covered but I took my 15MY in for the gearbox recall and spotted an unregistered 16MY in yellow anniversary colours in the showroom.
With a little persuasion from Tight5 of this parish, a deal was done and got it registered on a 17 plate.

Buggered if I can tell a major difference between them (not ridden the 18MY obviously).

My 15 model suffered with wobbly mirror syndrome and the 16/17 model seems a tiny bit smoother on all maps but isn't what you'd call perfect. You do get used to it though. Re-map for me once the season starts.

If you're precious about keeping it in top condition (and why wouldn't you be - they're not cheap!) I recommend getting some paint protection - my 15 model looked terrible after 100 miles on the road riding in a group - the paint really is ste!

[This-isnt-real]

I may be missing something obvious, but I can’t see what the list price of the 2018 R1 is anywhere. I can see the M model, but not the standard?

[graeme4130]

simon-c said:

2016 is the best year to buy, the gearbox fault was fixed. The 2017 with the black engine has different engine mapping for euro 4 compliance and I think there is less access to diagnostic information via the dash. I am currently building a very high spec 2016 track bike for a customer and it's a dream to work on compared to the BMW I built for him previously.

You really oughta get the customers permission to see if you can post up a build thread. Love a good race bike build when it's high spec

[legzr1]

This-isnt-real said:

I may be missing something obvious, but I can’t see what the list price of the 2018 R1 is anywhere. I can see the M model, but not the standard?

£15,939

[This-isnt-real]

legzr1 said:

£15,939

Thank you, looking at the classifieds there is only a £3k ish saving by buying a early bike

[legzr1]

No problem.
To be fair I had to go to Yamaha UK website and click on their finance deal - list price is mentioned there and nowhere else.
It's almost as if they want you to finance the bike...

[This-isnt-real]

Sounds correct, I bought a new car recently and paid for it outright.

The dealer wouldn’t leave me alone with calls about financing it. In the end they really peed me off.

[graeme4130]

This-isnt-real said:

Sounds correct, I bought a new car recently and paid for it outright.

The dealer wouldn’t leave me alone with calls about financing it. In the end they really peed me off.

I'm not sure on the percentages of cars, but I did read that over 85% of new sports bikes are bought now days on some form of finance, so you can see why the Website is trying to drive you down that path. Must be a good earner for the finance companies that underwrite their deals

[R1 Dave]

Only real change for the 2018 bikes, that I’ve heard, is a downshift blipper but that can be added to the older bikes with a flash kit.

FWIW I’ve done 6k on my MY15 this year and it’s been faultless. Absolute love it.

As mentioned above, the paintwork is crap but that’s down (or so I’ve been told) to the modern paint types that are more environmentally friendly but not as hard wearing. A friend has an S1000RR and it’s even worse. If you’re worried about stone chips then put some stone guard on it, or do what I did and chuck some cheap Chinese fairings on it and save the OE for resale.

Here’s mine -




Yes I know Mr Wong doesn’t own a ruler and it’s a bit chavvy but it saves the fairings and looks a bit different to all the others on the road

Dave

Edited by R1 Dave on Monday 1st January 21:25