Track days in March --- too cold?
Track days in March --- too cold?
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Esceptico

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8,897 posts

140 months

Thursday 15th February 2018
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Have been thinking of doing at rack day at Snetterton on 10th March. Don't think I've ever done a day so early in the year. From the more seasoned trackday riders on here...is that too early? Chance of it being too cold/too wet?

Fleegle

16,710 posts

207 months

Thursday 15th February 2018
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I've done Snetterton in March

The only guarantee you have is that it will be cold. Pot luck as to whether it will be raining or even snowing. Maybe, just maybe, the sun will shine.

If you are going at any pace, your tyres will more than likely get knackered as the track temperature will be so low. There will be lots of red flags, mainly due to crashes at Montreal and Oggies


Have a good day and take it easy

Bikesalot

1,889 posts

189 months

Thursday 15th February 2018
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I've been tempted by that....Would use road tyres I think.

Esceptico

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8,897 posts

140 months

Thursday 15th February 2018
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Fleegle said:
I've done Snetterton in March

The only guarantee you have is that it will be cold. Pot luck as to whether it will be raining or even snowing. Maybe, just maybe, the sun will shine.

If you are going at any pace, your tyres will more than likely get knackered as the track temperature will be so low. There will be lots of red flags, mainly due to crashes at Montreal and Oggies


Have a good day and take it easy
That doesn't sound too encouraging...

Out of interest, why does the low track temperature make a difference?

I don't my pace will be that high given how infrequently I get on track and that I would be using my rather new and still rather shiny GSXR-750 and would very much like to keep it that way!

Fleegle

16,710 posts

207 months

Thursday 15th February 2018
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Esceptico said:
That doesn't sound too encouraging...

Out of interest, why does the low track temperature make a difference?

I don't my pace will be that high given how infrequently I get on track and that I would be using my rather new and still rather shiny GSXR-750 and would very much like to keep it that way!
Sorry, it wasn't meant to discourage you

Track surfaces are quite abrasive. Tyres become malleable when hot and move around. Even with tyre warmers at that time of year the heat will soon drop out the carcass. Once the heat has dropped out they will start suffering cold tear. Tyre pressures go some way to managing it, but it can be a game of cat and mouse all day trying to find the optimum pressure as the temperature changes

Esceptico

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8,897 posts

140 months

Thursday 15th February 2018
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Fleegle said:
Esceptico said:
That doesn't sound too encouraging...

Out of interest, why does the low track temperature make a difference?

I don't my pace will be that high given how infrequently I get on track and that I would be using my rather new and still rather shiny GSXR-750 and would very much like to keep it that way!
Sorry, it wasn't meant to discourage you

Track surfaces are quite abrasive. Tyres become malleable when hot and move around. Even with tyre warmers at that time of year the heat will soon drop out the carcass. Once the heat has dropped out they will start suffering cold tear. Tyre pressures go some way to managing it, but it can be a game of cat and mouse all day trying to find the optimum pressure as the temperature changes
Thanks. How much would you drop the pressures from normal? It has been about 20 years since I took my own bike on track (have been using hire bikes on the odd occasion I've managed to do them) so not sure what to do.

I have asked a friend of a friend if he is interested in the day and so won't be able to back out if he is up for it. So sort of half-committed.

Fleegle

16,710 posts

207 months

Thursday 15th February 2018
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Esceptico said:
Thanks. How much would you drop the pressures from normal? It has been about 20 years since I took my own bike on track (have been using hire bikes on the odd occasion I've managed to do them) so not sure what to do.

I have asked a friend of a friend if he is interested in the day and so won't be able to back out if he is up for it. So sort of half-committed.
It's so long since I've taken a road bike on the track I can't remember. I'd probably start off somewhere around 30/30. I'm sure someone will be able to correct me

Biker's Nemesis

41,482 posts

239 months

Thursday 15th February 2018
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I did a 2 day TD at Mallory at the beginning of March 10 years ago.

It was very cold, it snowed, I fell off coming into the pit lane on snow, out of the 8 of us that went 6 fell off.

I would never bother doing another one at the start of March in the uk now, April is the earliest I consider any uk TD.

stew-STR160

8,021 posts

269 months

Thursday 15th February 2018
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And then there are us idiots who will be racing at Donington 24/25th March...

I've been trying to get some Pirelli rain tyres I can use if the temps are cold/greasy. I've got Dunlop wets for full on wet stuff, but a cold track and trackday/race tyres does not work out.
Nearly lost the front end at Mallory Nov 2015. Cold, wet, no heat in tyres or track.

MotorsportTom

3,343 posts

192 months

Thursday 15th February 2018
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Fleegle said:
Esceptico said:
Thanks. How much would you drop the pressures from normal? It has been about 20 years since I took my own bike on track (have been using hire bikes on the odd occasion I've managed to do them) so not sure what to do.

I have asked a friend of a friend if he is interested in the day and so won't be able to back out if he is up for it. So sort of half-committed.
It's so long since I've taken a road bike on the track I can't remember. I'd probably start off somewhere around 30/30. I'm sure someone will be able to correct me
I've taken a few road bikes out on track and any advice I have sought, 30/30 was always a good start point. Including a track day in October 29th/30th (can't remember which) on a CBR600 at Snetteron on Pilot power 2's I think

Fleegle

16,710 posts

207 months

Thursday 15th February 2018
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stew-STR160 said:
And then there are us idiots who will be racing at Donington 24/25th March...

I had my first race there 10 years ago to that weekend.

Not ridden a 2 stroke in 20 years, never raced, it snowed overnight, and just when we thought the worst of it had been, it started hailing golf balls while we were forming on the grid. No wets allowed!!

I survived 3 races out of the 4. A real baptism of fire



stew-STR160

8,021 posts

269 months

Thursday 15th February 2018
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Fleegle said:
stew-STR160 said:
And then there are us idiots who will be racing at Donington 24/25th March...

I had my first race there 10 years ago to that weekend.

Not ridden a 2 stroke in 20 years, never raced, it snowed overnight, and just when we thought the worst of it had been, it started hailing golf balls while we were forming on the grid. No wets allowed!!

I survived 3 races out of the 4. A real baptism of fire

wobble That's nuts. Did you use your stabilisers(legs) Haha.

Fleegle

16,710 posts

207 months

Thursday 15th February 2018
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stew-STR160 said:
Fleegle said:
stew-STR160 said:
And then there are us idiots who will be racing at Donington 24/25th March...

I had my first race there 10 years ago to that weekend.

Not ridden a 2 stroke in 20 years, never raced, it snowed overnight, and just when we thought the worst of it had been, it started hailing golf balls while we were forming on the grid. No wets allowed!!

I survived 3 races out of the 4. A real baptism of fire

wobble That's nuts. Did you use your stabilisers(legs) Haha.
No, but I did use my arse to slow down at Coppice in the last race. (along with about 5 others)

graeme4130

3,955 posts

212 months

Thursday 15th February 2018
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It can be pretty hit and miss in March. Could be lucky and have 18 deg and sunshine, but could also be 5 degrees and driving rain/sleet
I'm there on the 19th to try and get my head around the track as I'm racing there the weekend after and can't do the Friday test, so I'll ride my older bike and use an SC2 Supercorsa as they deal with the colder temps quite well (and they just happen to be on that bike already)

dibblecorse

7,662 posts

223 months

Thursday 15th February 2018
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Yes

stew-STR160

8,021 posts

269 months

Thursday 15th February 2018
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graeme4130 said:
It can be pretty hit and miss in March. Could be lucky and have 18 deg and sunshine, but could also be 5 degrees and driving rain/sleet
I'm there on the 19th to try and get my head around the track as I'm racing there the weekend after and can't do the Friday test, so I'll ride my older bike and use an SC2 Supercorsa as they deal with the colder temps quite well (and they just happen to be on that bike already)
You racing in GP1? I'll be there for Golden Era Supersport.

graeme4130

3,955 posts

212 months

Thursday 15th February 2018
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stew-STR160 said:
graeme4130 said:
It can be pretty hit and miss in March. Could be lucky and have 18 deg and sunshine, but could also be 5 degrees and driving rain/sleet
I'm there on the 19th to try and get my head around the track as I'm racing there the weekend after and can't do the Friday test, so I'll ride my older bike and use an SC2 Supercorsa as they deal with the colder temps quite well (and they just happen to be on that bike already)
You racing in GP1? I'll be there for Golden Era Supersport.
No, in 1000Cup through NLR. I think Thundersport are there later in the year, and at Donington that weekend

crashley

1,574 posts

211 months

Thursday 15th February 2018
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Luck of the draw. I've done Brands in March before and it was bloody hot. March is a funny old month. Prepare for rain/cold and hope for sun!

stew-STR160

8,021 posts

269 months

Thursday 15th February 2018
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graeme4130 said:
stew-STR160 said:
graeme4130 said:
It can be pretty hit and miss in March. Could be lucky and have 18 deg and sunshine, but could also be 5 degrees and driving rain/sleet
I'm there on the 19th to try and get my head around the track as I'm racing there the weekend after and can't do the Friday test, so I'll ride my older bike and use an SC2 Supercorsa as they deal with the colder temps quite well (and they just happen to be on that bike already)
You racing in GP1? I'll be there for Golden Era Supersport.
No, in 1000Cup through NLR. I think Thundersport are there later in the year, and at Donington that weekend
Doh, getting mixed up as to what track we're talking about.

obscene

5,180 posts

216 months

Thursday 15th February 2018
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I've got Donny on the 3rd of March. Not sure what to expect. Least if it pisses with rain I can use my new wets hehe As mentioned, I reckon road tyres are the best option due to the cold.