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No, not money laundering.
I’ve been hankering after another bike since, a while ago, and despite day dreaming of spending vast amounts on the latest new toy I am looking at 7-10 year old used bikes. They’re all quick enough for me as all of them would wipe the floor with my old blade and secondly.
A brief flirt with a street triple and also a Superduke is the only other alternative I can think of.
The main use will be summer days out and about. Longer trips to Europe and Ireland etc. It’s just going to be a bit of fun, not a commuter and I’m not getting into track days, I’ve had my wallet emptying experiences with racing before, and some scars to remember it all by
So.
It’s between a K5/6, S1000 and R1 basically. Budget isn’t that fixed but I don’t want to start getting into 7 and 8K. I’ve ridden an 06 Blade and quite liked it, had a deposit on a K5 but backed out last year as I wasn’t sure. It seems that the prices of them are forming up and that word ‘classic’ is being branded around? The S1000 seems decent value, but I have seen a few reliability issues, guessing that if an early bike is still running all the nigglea would have been sorted? R1, I like the cross plane engine, a lot. I also like pink strangely.
Are the above totally different or is one a sweet spot for road use? Is a K6 worth the premium money for an older bike?
I’ve been hankering after another bike since, a while ago, and despite day dreaming of spending vast amounts on the latest new toy I am looking at 7-10 year old used bikes. They’re all quick enough for me as all of them would wipe the floor with my old blade and secondly.
A brief flirt with a street triple and also a Superduke is the only other alternative I can think of.
The main use will be summer days out and about. Longer trips to Europe and Ireland etc. It’s just going to be a bit of fun, not a commuter and I’m not getting into track days, I’ve had my wallet emptying experiences with racing before, and some scars to remember it all by
So.
It’s between a K5/6, S1000 and R1 basically. Budget isn’t that fixed but I don’t want to start getting into 7 and 8K. I’ve ridden an 06 Blade and quite liked it, had a deposit on a K5 but backed out last year as I wasn’t sure. It seems that the prices of them are forming up and that word ‘classic’ is being branded around? The S1000 seems decent value, but I have seen a few reliability issues, guessing that if an early bike is still running all the nigglea would have been sorted? R1, I like the cross plane engine, a lot. I also like pink strangely.
Are the above totally different or is one a sweet spot for road use? Is a K6 worth the premium money for an older bike?
I thought the first 2009-2014 R1 (14B model) should be a lovely thing on the road. The fact they're not as good as earlier ones on the track is saving them. £5.5 to £6k should get you a nice early (pink?) one with a pair of cans.
S1000RR's are a bit characterless unless going super fast and as you suggest early ones had issues. GSXR1000K5 & 6 overvalued for what they are.
S1000RR's are a bit characterless unless going super fast and as you suggest early ones had issues. GSXR1000K5 & 6 overvalued for what they are.
The used GSXR market is mental. £4.5-5k gets you an ancient 13 year old overpriced 'classics' £5-6k much nicer 2009 models and £7-8k gets 3 year old stuff. For a little more outlay you get a lot more.
Depreciation seems to drop like a stone to about £6k then stop & slow as it meets the older stuff that's now sat unused under a sheet.
Depreciation seems to drop like a stone to about £6k then stop & slow as it meets the older stuff that's now sat unused under a sheet.
CaptainSlow said:
Sounds like a more upright naked is a better match for your requirements.
Take a look at the GSXS1000.
Not a fan tbh. I really like the KTM, not impressed by many of the other naked bikes, they probably ride brilliantly though. Take a look at the GSXS1000.
Some of the really nice K6’s are £5500, which seems like a lot of dosh, I guess compared to a new Panigale it’s not really. The 2009 R1 looks like a good option, better than a blade with ABS?
moto_traxport said:
The used GSXR market is mental. £4.5-5k gets you an ancient 13 year old overpriced 'classics' £5-6k much nicer 2009 models and £7-8k gets 3 year old stuff. For a little more outlay you get a lot more.
Depreciation seems to drop like a stone to about £6k then stop & slow as it meets the older stuff that's now sat unused under a sheet.
Very much this but not just the GSXR market - pretty much all 1000 sports bikes except the S1000RR (way over priced on the used market IMO).Depreciation seems to drop like a stone to about £6k then stop & slow as it meets the older stuff that's now sat unused under a sheet.
I spent a lot of time looking at the market recently when I was looking to change my GSXR 750 K4.
The smart money IMO would go on a 2012 or newer GSXR 1000. No reliability issues at all. Really fast and good handling but cheap because it wasn't the halo bike at the time. They are also easy to work on (unlike a 'blade) and good on fuel (unlike the R1).
Low £6k will buy you a sub 10k mile L2 (or maybe newer) from a dealer. The L2 remained pretty much unchanged until last years all new model so had Showa BPFs and Brembo calipers.
I actually did some man maths and convinced myself that a year old Street Triple 765 RS was the way to go. I'm happy with it but there really is too much choice out there.
moto_traxport said:
I thought the first 2009-2014 R1 (14B model) should be a lovely thing on the road. The fact they're not as good as earlier ones on the track is saving them. £5.5 to £6k should get you a nice early (pink?) one with a pair of cans.
S1000RR's are a bit characterless unless going super fast and as you suggest early ones had issues. GSXR1000K5 & 6 overvalued for what they are.
Prices of the 14B R1 are insane lately... your looking at £7k for an early one, with nearer £10k for a 2013-2014.S1000RR's are a bit characterless unless going super fast and as you suggest early ones had issues. GSXR1000K5 & 6 overvalued for what they are.
Nothing wrong with them on track either, just not as good as the latest 200bhp stuff.
yonex said:
CaptainSlow said:
Sounds like a more upright naked is a better match for your requirements.
Take a look at the GSXS1000.
Not a fan tbh. I really like the KTM, not impressed by many of the other naked bikes, they probably ride brilliantly though. Take a look at the GSXS1000.
Some of the really nice K6’s are £5500, which seems like a lot of dosh, I guess compared to a new Panigale it’s not really. The 2009 R1 looks like a good option, better than a blade with ABS?
I'm considering Speed Triple MT10 or Tuono.
Yonex
I recently bought the cleanest K5 Stealth Black that I have ever seen. I bought it because everyone told me it was legendary and so good in the real world. Sadly I not yet even sat on it as its either been salty roads or wet roads and now snowy roads. It was never my intention to keep the bike long term as I have my MV Agusta F4 312RR for sports bike duties.
For the right price I could be convinced to part with the GSXR1000 K5 Stealth. Its 13,300 miles last owner 9yrs. Lots of nice extras. No tat on it.
email me if you want to start dialogue on uktrucks@msn.com
Allan
I recently bought the cleanest K5 Stealth Black that I have ever seen. I bought it because everyone told me it was legendary and so good in the real world. Sadly I not yet even sat on it as its either been salty roads or wet roads and now snowy roads. It was never my intention to keep the bike long term as I have my MV Agusta F4 312RR for sports bike duties.
For the right price I could be convinced to part with the GSXR1000 K5 Stealth. Its 13,300 miles last owner 9yrs. Lots of nice extras. No tat on it.
email me if you want to start dialogue on uktrucks@msn.com
Allan
Mr OCD said:
Prices of the 14B R1 are insane lately... your looking at £7k for an early one, with nearer £10k for a 2013-2014.
Nothing wrong with them on track either, just not as good as the latest 200bhp stuff.
Didn't realise prices had firmed up so much.Nothing wrong with them on track either, just not as good as the latest 200bhp stuff.
Disagree about their track performance. Not saying they're bad by any means and probably great fun at Inters pace but for a given level of rider skill and bike mods the earlier 2004-2008 models will be much quicker, let alone the later 200hp stuff. On the other side of the coin it's probably those deficits that make it a better road bike.
moto_traxport said:
I thought the first 2009-2014 R1 (14B model) should be a lovely thing on the road. The fact they're not as good as earlier ones on the track is saving them. £5.5 to £6k should get you a nice early (pink?) one with a pair of cans.
S1000RR's are a bit characterless unless going super fast and as you suggest early ones had issues. GSXR1000K5 & 6 overvalued for what they are.
This. They are all way fast enough on the road, so get something with character and a unique soundtrack. Rather than yet another inline four with a conventional firing order.S1000RR's are a bit characterless unless going super fast and as you suggest early ones had issues. GSXR1000K5 & 6 overvalued for what they are.
anonymous said:
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Well, not really, just think it brings more value? I know the right thing to do would be to be a Street Triple and be done with it, but, I have always liked larger engines purely because they are more flexible. The Superduke R was at the top of my list but as something that will likely only cover 2000 miles a year it's a lot of money for a toy. trickywoo said:
moto_traxport said:
The used GSXR market is mental. £4.5-5k gets you an ancient 13 year old overpriced 'classics' £5-6k much nicer 2009 models and £7-8k gets 3 year old stuff. For a little more outlay you get a lot more.
Depreciation seems to drop like a stone to about £6k then stop & slow as it meets the older stuff that's now sat unused under a sheet.
Very much this but not just the GSXR market - pretty much all 1000 sports bikes except the S1000RR (way over priced on the used market IMO).Depreciation seems to drop like a stone to about £6k then stop & slow as it meets the older stuff that's now sat unused under a sheet.
I spent a lot of time looking at the market recently when I was looking to change my GSXR 750 K4.
The smart money IMO would go on a 2012 or newer GSXR 1000. No reliability issues at all. Really fast and good handling but cheap because it wasn't the halo bike at the time. They are also easy to work on (unlike a 'blade) and good on fuel (unlike the R1).
Low £6k will buy you a sub 10k mile L2 (or maybe newer) from a dealer. The L2 remained pretty much unchanged until last years all new model so had Showa BPFs and Brembo calipers.
I actually did some man maths and convinced myself that a year old Street Triple 765 RS was the way to go. I'm happy with it but there really is too much choice out there.
Generally best off spending about 9-11k and having a bike for several years at only £500-3k of depreciation.
Out of every bike I've ever ridden, the K5 is still the best road bike and nothing has yet to pass it. Biased I may be but it does everything really well, has character and is comfortable. That said, I'm sure you could get a cheap K7/8 and make it single exhaust and be in the same ballpark? It's meant to be near enough the same engine.
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