A little help with Licensing laws CBT, AM and all that.

[BBaillie]

Hi guys, can i just congratulate the forum on being a wonderful place that has been of use countless times to me in 4 yearsish of motoring, from how to complete certain tricky repairs to what to do about parking tickets and everything, i'm a silent type, just reading but i need some help now as i can't find the answer to a specific question.

I got my Provisional moped? license in August 2013 - I passed my CBT within the same month, turned out i didn't much like bikes so gave up with it.

Passed my Full car license in April 2014

Sadly, due to circumstances i can no longer afford my car, so i'm going back to a bike - As i understand it and as my license says on it, i have the Full AM entitlement - My CBT is valid for me to just pick up a 50cc and go.

However, i have my eye on something a little bigger - no bigger than a 125cc mind - Ideally a Honda Cub 90.

Basically, can i pick up that 90, insure it, tax it and ride it if i stick L plates on it?

or do i need to do my CBT again?

It's a little confusing and i can't find the information online, i've trawled this forum but couldn't find an answer - Thank you in-advance!

Byron

[mygoldfishbowl]

I'm no expert but thought CBT expired after two years.

If you don't get a definite answer here you can ask in the biker banter forum. https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/forum.asp?h=0&...

[Rawwr]

As above, the CBT is only valid for 2 years from the date of getting the certificate. There's nothing to stop you just retaking the CBT every 2 years and effectively renewing the certificate.

[Pothole]

You trawled, but didn't check the stickywiki.

This section is your friend:

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

and it says:

Compulsory Basic Training (CBT): before you can go on the road you will need to complete a full days course being instructed on the use of a 125cc motorbike. Everyone has to do the CBT before they can hit the road nowadays, regardless of what other licenses you may have. Mornings are spent riding around cones off road and receiving basic instruction, afternoons are on the road. The CBT is valid for two years; if you have not passed your test by then you will need to resit the CBT.

[phil4]

Pothole said:

You trawled, but didn't check the stickywiki.

This section is your friend:

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

and it says:

Compulsory Basic Training (CBT): before you can go on the road you will need to complete a full days course being instructed on the use of a 125cc motorbike. Everyone has to do the CBT before they can hit the road nowadays, regardless of what other licenses you may have. Mornings are spent riding around cones off road and receiving basic instruction, afternoons are on the road. The CBT is valid for two years; if you have not passed your test by then you will need to resit the CBT.

In fairness to the OP... that bit about the CBT immediately follows:

"Under 21 you will take a test on a 125 giving you a restricted A2 licence. This allows you to ride bikes upto 33hp. After two years you can automatically ride a bike of any size;"

Which is out of date, and wrong. As such, I'm not entirely suprised he's asking/checking. However for clarity, though the above is wrong, the CBT bit quoted is correct.

[jonindorset]

With the need to renew CBTs every 2 years, the rate at which you'll go through tyres, the fact you cannot ride on motorways, the need for regular oil changes, repairs etc and the general inconvenience of having a 125 as your only mode of transport I question whether you will really save that much of anything. I recently put a friend in a very usable 1998 Toyota Corolla for £400 and this costs buttons to run. A decent 125 is likely to be £1000+

Given you didn't previously take to biking, this path tends to suggest you will come out hating it even more...

[BBaillie]

Hi all the bit that confuses me is this on the GOV website.

"You’ll get a full moped licence if you either:

pass your car driving test and then complete a compulsory basic training (CBT) course

complete a CBT course and then pass your car driving test within two years

You can then ride a moped (up to 50cc) without L plates. You don’t need to take the full moped test.

You can ride mopeds for as long as your car driving licence lasts."

So i don't have to do a CBT for a 50, but does the same apply for a 90.

What about electrically powered vehicles as long as they're within the definition of 'AM moped'

"Category AM
You can drive 2-wheeled or 3-wheeled vehicles with a maximum design speed of over 25km/h (15.5mph) but not more than 45km/h (28mph)."


Just going off what the GOV site says really, it's a bit confusing and annoying.

I've done bangernomics and after being shunted in the rear, it's one incident too many and most insurers will not touch me on a car for a price i can afford. - a bike however, oddly, they will.