Almax, Abus.. Recommedations?

[jrich123]

Afternoon All,
With Spring around the corner, I am treating the bike (and me) with a little added security.

Almax seem to be the choice basis a quick google search. Any thoughts or recommendations for others?

My hesitation with purchasing direct from Almax is that their website is not secure ie no "https" well thats what my browser is saying (on 2 machines).

Any thoughts or recommendations greatly received.

Cheers

[Rutter]

I bought my almax by calling them and paying over the phone, from memory they are a small outfit and probably haven't got the tech knowledge to add SSL certificates to their certificate.

[Lee540]

Rutter said:

I bought my almax by calling them and paying over the phone, from memory they are a small outfit and probably haven't got the tech knowledge to add SSL certificates to their certificate.

I did the same.. once you get that Geordie fella talking he goes on for ages! Seems to know his stuff regarding security, was quite helpful.

I have 16mm Almax Series 3 for carrying with me whilst out and the 19mm Series 4 in the garage paired up with ground anchor, it is a bit of a beast to carry around so it stays at home and I have Squire SS65CS Stronghold lock that they also sell.

[Deranged Granny]

Rutter said:

I bought my almax by calling them and paying over the phone, from memory they are a small outfit and probably haven't got the tech knowledge to add SSL certificates to their certificate.

Ditto. I called them as I noticed the same re: internet security. I am not aware of them having cleared out my account yet.

[jrich123]

Cheers guys seems like the way forward.. will call them tomorrow!

[bogie]

https://securityforbikes.com/

Pragamasis are similar and often have different package deals on. Depends what you are after.

Their pins are quite good for going through the frame or hub on single side swingarm bikes.

[Prof Prolapse]

Pragmasis here.

Top bloke, great products.

[rev-erend]

Anything is better than nothing.

Don't get hooked into thinking spending more will buy you ultimate protection as an example I lost my key to my motor bike lock and cut it off in less that 30 seconds with an angle grinder with stainless steel cutting disc.

[RemaL]

Lee540 said:

Rutter said:

I bought my almax by calling them and paying over the phone, from memory they are a small outfit and probably haven't got the tech knowledge to add SSL certificates to their certificate.

I did the same.. once you get that Geordie fella talking he goes on for ages! Seems to know his stuff regarding security, was quite helpful.

I have 16mm Almax Series 3 for carrying with me whilst out and the 19mm Series 4 in the garage paired up with ground anchor, it is a bit of a beast to carry around so it stays at home and I have Squire SS65CS Stronghold lock that they also sell.

Yup I had the same but over 10 years ago when I bought the series 4.

Not something you want to take with you but a great bit of kit and i've had my monies worth over these past 10+ years i feel

[Prof Prolapse]

rev-erend said:

Anything is better than nothing.

Don't get hooked into thinking spending more will buy you ultimate protection as an example I lost my key to my motor bike lock and cut it off in less that 30 seconds with an angle grinder with stainless steel cutting disc.

I don't disagree with that. They're largely deterrents.

I would say though, that if you can buy an "uncroppable" chain and lock, then you are ensuring you have protection against one of the most widely carried and quietest ways of stealing a motorcycle.

Also, given they are one of the few products you can buy in this world which you will never need to buy again, I think spending ~£150 for a lifetime of real deterrence is very reasonable.

Just a thought.

[bogie]

Prof Prolapse said:

rev-erend said:

Anything is better than nothing.

Don't get hooked into thinking spending more will buy you ultimate protection as an example I lost my key to my motor bike lock and cut it off in less that 30 seconds with an angle grinder with stainless steel cutting disc.

I don't disagree with that. They're largely deterrents.

I would say though, that if you can buy an "uncroppable" chain and lock, then you are ensuring you have protection against one of the most widely carried and quietest ways of stealing a motorcycle.

Also, given they are one of the few products you can buy in this world which you will never need to buy again, I think spending ~£150 for a lifetime of real deterrence is very reasonable.

Just a thought.

Exactly ...and sometimes your insurer may require physical security for some bikes/areas. When at home use the big chain/lock/anchor. When out and about its up to what you wish to carry. An alarmed disc lock is better than nothing, or if its somewhere you park often (work) then leave a big chain/lock there

[Pravus1]

I've got one almax and one pragmasis. They are pretty similar in that they are very beefy chains. I think the customer service as Pragmasis is meant to be better.

[cbmotorsport]

I'd consider making your security a multi layered thing.

Don't spend all your budget on the best chain going. Two 'good' chains, or a good chain and a couple of disc locks will cost the same and offer more protection.

Nothing beats an angle grinder, so if you make your bike time consuming to steal it increases the risk of getting caught and there's a good chance they'll choose an easier target.

[Lee540]

cbmotorsport said:

I'd consider making your security a multi layered thing.

Don't spend all your budget on the best chain going. Two 'good' chains, or a good chain and a couple of disc locks will cost the same and offer more protection.

Nothing beats an angle grinder, so if you make your bike time consuming to steal it increases the risk of getting caught and there's a good chance they'll choose an easier target.

and park next to a more desirable bike than yours when out..

[Krikkit]

jrich123 said:

My hesitation with purchasing direct from Almax is that their website is not secure ie no "https" well thats what my browser is saying (on 2 machines).

Unless you're using a public network, imho this makes very little difference.

Your card details and valuable information will be encrypted with RSA anyway.

[KumiSinghs]

Just a thought, could you get a waterproof walkie talkie, fit it discreetly and make sure its always on charge. So if someone is tinkering around with it whilst you're not with it you can hear them?

Or is that idea a bit far fetched?

[Lee540]

KumiSinghs said:

Just a thought, could you get a waterproof walkie talkie, fit it discreetly and make sure its always on charge. So if someone is tinkering around with it whilst you're not with it you can hear them?

Or is that idea a bit far fetched?

Why? There are plenty of trackers on the market now, many with shock sensors and instant notifications via. mobile.. some have additional audio recording.

[Dog Star]

anonymous said:

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Yes indeed. They're also a lot more innovative when it comes to their security solutions.

[Dog Star]

Prof Prolapse said:

Also, given they are one of the few products you can buy in this world which you will never need to buy again, I think spending ~£150 for a lifetime of real deterrence is very reasonable.

<BZZZZZZT!> Wrong!

When my bikes were stolen they used an angle grinder [1] to cut the padlocks off. They then stole the Pragmasis chains.

[1] top tip, kids: don't keep your angle grinder in your garage. And have a hidden switch that isolates the sockets.

[Lee540]

anonymous said:

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The anti pinch pin is a brilliant idea.. never seen before until someone posted above. Carrying it around might be a problem though, sizes up to 650mm long